Where to send complaints on STATS

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:13 am

STATS is owned by News Corporation. They only grossed 19 billion dollars last year. So they're

on a shoe string budget as you can understand.

The head of News Corp is K. Rupert Murdoch.

He's only the 43rd richest man in the world right now. I'm sure he would love to take your calls.

He really wants to move up the list. I can hear him now... It was a glich and it won't happen again.again.again.again.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:08 am

You must not have a team in the WCOFB. If you had to deal with the Sportingnews site you would have a total meltdown. They still don't have overall rankings nor totals for live stats. :rolleyes:

BONGIZMO · Post by **BONGIZMO** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:42 pm

Not to throw stones but LB is right, heck Greg even responded personally to a minor issue I had with Stats and voila problem solved.

The most important aspect is getting the Free Agent, Transaction History side of things running smoothly and Stats appears to have accomplished that which is much appreciated!

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:38 pm

""You must not have a team in the WCOFB. If you had to deal with the Sportingnews site you would have a total meltdown. They still don't have overall rankings nor totals for live stats."

Ahh leaderboard sports, One I was kidding around. Two The sporting news gets thier stats from STATS Inc. :-0 Ah yes the plot thickens. The sporting news has also combined with Fox on thier web sites. Fox being owned and run by the same man that owns news corp. Parent company of STATS Inc. You can question my humor but don't doubt my facts.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:40 pm

You missed the point I was trying to make, namely that what we are getting through the NFBC and STATS is way better than what we are getting at the WCOFB and Sportingnews, regardless of who owns it or runs it. I wasn't questioning your facts only pointing out that things are worse at the only other game in town.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:14 pm

Your point is the WCOFB is not as good? So everyone here should love NFBC as being just a little better in the STATS department? Well I never mentioned NFBC but I did mention STATS.

I think Greg and the gang are doing a great job.

But I'm not a great STATS fan. Heck they've caused Greg's group more work than anyone should have to do. My question is why would anyone sign up for WCOFB aside from the Leaderboard sports gang? We already knew it was going to be second rate.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:14 pm

"My question is why would anyone sign up for WCOFB aside from the Leaderboard sports gang? We already knew it was going to be second rate."

Might have been because of the prize money.

A one in 45 chance at $30,000 and $6,000 league prizes. That's just my opinion though, I could be wrong. They might have signed up just for the honor of competing against the Leaderboard Sports gang

I still think it was probably for the money though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:30 am

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

"My question is why would anyone sign up for WCOFB aside from the Leaderboard sports gang? We already knew it was going to be second rate."

Might have been because of the prize money.

A one in 45 chance at $30,000 and $6,000 league prizes. That's just my opinion though, I could be wrong. They might have signed up just for the honor of competing against the Leaderboard Sports gang

I still think it was probably for the money though. Clearly the WCOFB pot odds are better than NFBC. Interestingly, that's because of NFBC's success. WCOFB did not grow beyond last year and are well below their target yet they have guaranteed the original posted prizes. One can also assume the partnership with TSN allowed them to do that, and of course the players are paying the price in league management frustration as TSN tries to jury rig it's system to handle the sophisticated requirements.

It will be very interesting to see how the high stakes fantasy industry shakes out in the next year.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:29 pm

Originally posted by :

quote:Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

"My question is why would anyone sign up for WCOFB aside from the Leaderboard sports gang? We already knew it was going to be second rate."

Might have been because of the prize money.

A one in 45 chance at $30,000 and $6,000 league prizes. That's just my opinion though, I could be wrong. They might have signed up just for the honor of competing against the Leaderboard Sports gang

I still think it was probably for the money though. Clearly the WCOFB pot odds are better than NFBC. Interestingly, that's because of NFBC's success. WCOFB did not grow beyond last year and are well below their target yet they have guaranteed the original posted prizes. One can also assume the partnership with TSN allowed them to do that, and of course the players are paying the price in league management frustration as TSN tries to jury rig it's system to handle the sophisticated requirements.

It will be very interesting to see how the high stakes fantasy industry shakes out in the next year. [/QUOTE]Why would that be interesting, Bob ?

(Forgive me, but I had to give you a name... so I name you Bob... feel free to login your own name so I don't have to make one up)

Dyv

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:39 pm

You can call me JerseyPaul. Since you're also in WCOFB, you'll find me atop the leaderboard of League 1.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:14 pm

Originally posted by :

You can call me JerseyPaul. Since you're also in WCOFB, you'll find me atop the leaderboard of League 1. LOL - Hey JP

If I could see an overall Leaderboard in WCOFB I might even find you in the top 3 overall, I bet. Of course there is no such thing as an Overall Leaderboard in the WCOFB yet.

We can talk about them over here, I bet - do you find that the managemt for baseball is ridiculous and that they seem to not care?

(Why not just register and make it easy or are you waiting until August and you're still in first place to register... lol ?)

Dave

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:58 pm

LOL...Hiya Dyv, whatever that is...

I had a nice lead on Hojin yesterday but it's gone today. I was a very close 2nd overall. Not that any of this matters with 5 months + to go.

TSN is really struggling. I have been in email and voice touch with Jeff discussing the FA process. It shouldn't all fall on him but it seems like Emil is not much help.

If I had to choose one game right now, I would still pick that one because of the better pot odds. This game, however, has the more active board and small lizards to make things fun. Next year...well that's why I want to see how it falls out. Not having to travel to Vegas is a nice feature.

By the way, I stand by my earlier assessment that Greg's organizational skills are extraordinary. From what I've read, however, he has struggled just a little as the Commish. I think next year the rules will all be buttoned up and the decisions that have been made on the fly will be codified. My personal opinion is that the "days played" requirement should be fixed and no exceptions made for minor leaguers or injured players (who must play qualifying games at Util until they reach the required number). That way you could look at a magazine or database and KNOW where a player is eligible 2 months before draft time and not worry about rulings about "expected" positions. Just my opinion.

Anyway, it was fun lurking and messing with you, Dyv. Since the other board is pretty dead, I'll have to come here to get into an argument.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:08 pm

I can almost guarantee you this is the last year for the WCOFB. Lenny and Emil have lost money on it for two years and have basically dropped it on the Sportingnews and they fumbled it like a rookie in the Super Bowl. Between the flashing banners, popup adds and trying to convert their league manager to our needs it's been a joke. Players get dropped to waivers and don't show up in the free agent list but you can bid on them provided you do so by email. Weekly transactions sent out by email? Standings have to be figured by team owners on the bulletin boards? Bulletin boards I might add that are seldom monitored by anyone other than team owners. I haven't heard much from Lenny and Emil about this fiasco. I can only assume they're busy working on the football contest.

You better work hard on winning this year JP because I doubt they get enough returnees next year to fill one league.

[ April 25, 2004, 03:12 AM: Message edited by: Leaderboard Sports ]

viper · Post by **viper** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:42 am

I followed the WCOFB board last season but had not looked at it this year until I read some posts in here yesterday. The Oliver Perez thread was amazing. And I never saw a single post from Lenny while last year he was posting a lot. 300 teams is a lot of teams for this type of event but I would bet that 300 for next year's NFBC is more likely than the WCOFB even existing next season.

They are clearly a football operation and should stick to what they do best. I hope that Greg isn't spreading himself out too thin with his foray into football. There are not enough players for two similar styled baseball leagues due to the commitment level and time the season lasts. There may be for football but I don't know. I play fantasy football but would not get into this type of contest in football or, for that matter, basketball. Baseball on the other hand ...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:41 am

Don't worry about me spreading myself too thin. Remember that I live in Wisconsin and have beer and cheese every night. I'll always have some bulk to me.

BONGIZMO · Post by **BONGIZMO** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:03 am

I would expect Greg will use this as a read only thread as well he should but it will provide good insight on what to not do in the customer service realm.

There have been huge issues with the TSN Stats end in the competing event and those running it have simply disappeared. It has often fallen on the participants to get information out. All 45 of us have our stories, heck I made no moves to my roster the first week plus because I assumed we couldn't, only to find emails were going out and that AOL users could not receive them. No initial board update about the transacting by email nor about the AOL Spam issue posted by the management of the game. It took another member to actually clue a bunch of us in to this fact and that is just wrong.

It's kind of odd to find that the 45 of us looking to win the 30k have had to create a support group of such just to make it through the first 5 weeks.

Having issues is one thing, disappearing and not facing up to them and your paying customers is something entirely different...it's very disappointing on many fronts...worse that we are airing it here but hell, it's like we are talking to ourselves over there...

[ April 25, 2004, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: BONGIZMO ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:10 am

You are free to talk here and we will listen. I'll just get another couch for the psychiatrist's office, that's all.

BONGIZMO · Post by **BONGIZMO** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:19 am

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:09 pm

After reading this thread, I decided to check out the WCOFB message board. All I can say is that I am so happy to not be a part of that fiasco. Greg, if you become the only "Big Game" in town next year, promise us that the lack of competition does not douse the fire in your belly.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:18 pm

Trust me King of Queens, even with all the beer I pour in my belly each week, it won't douse the fire I have for this event. No matter how much competition we have next year, I GUARANTEE that we'll be bigger, better and more prominent. And we'll have a year of hiccups and rules clarifications under our belt, which can only help. We will be the best high stakes fantasy baseball game in the industry next year... AGAIN.