E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:53 am
Anyone else bumping Bedard up in their rankings with his impending move to Seattle? Better offense, better bullpen, more pitcher-friendly ballpark. what's next, 20+ wins!?!
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E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:06 am
maybe a 200 inning season for those numbers
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:48 am
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper 
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:56 am
Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper So he moves from Top 5 overall to...Top 5 overall?
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper
So he moves from Top 5 overall to...Top 5 overall?E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:16 am
Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper So he moves from Top 5 overall to...Top 5 overall? [/QUOTE]That's about the funniest thing I've heard all day.
LOL!
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper
So he moves from Top 5 overall to...Top 5 overall? [/QUOTE]That's about the funniest thing I've heard all day.LOL!
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:28 am
Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper So he moves from Top 5 overall to...Top 5 overall? [/QUOTE]A stunning increase in value. He'll get the YELLOW fill from me ! Heck I'll even throw in an impact script in bold
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper
So he moves from Top 5 overall to...Top 5 overall? [/QUOTE]A stunning increase in value. He'll get the YELLOW fill from me ! Heck I'll even throw in an impact script in bold E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:40 am
Bedard will move from #6 on my list to #3. And he's closer to #2 than #4.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:52 am
Bedard was 3rd on my list already and if you compare last years numbers with Johan there is not much of a difference. think he is even with Peavy now if not ahead Mariners have a better offense than Padres
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E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:34 am
Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper Ugh
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper
UghE.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:48 am
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper Ugh [/QUOTE]Did I out him on you ?
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
If the trade goes through this guy will be a serious sleeper
Ugh [/QUOTE]Did I out him on you ? E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:00 am
Serious sleeper as opposed to just joking sleeper?
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:11 am
I think it's sleeper as in if you blink you will have slept through him being picked in round 3 (maybe late in round two by some genius)
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:16 am
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Serious sleeper as opposed to just joking sleeper? JJ sleeper of course. He's my facetiously tongue in cheeker. I'm really old school 30 rd last season era>5 ba[ January 28, 2008, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]
Serious sleeper as opposed to just joking sleeper? JJ sleeper of course. He's my facetiously tongue in cheeker. I'm really old school 30 rd last season era>5 ba[ January 28, 2008, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:22 am
It does increase his value, but Bedard, Peavy, and Santana are already "marked through" on my list because I have no plans on picking pitchers that early anyway. So, does Bedard now get picked ahead of Peavy?
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:22 am
Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
It does increase his value, but Bedard, Peavy, and Santana are already "marked through" on my list because I have no plans on picking pitchers that early anyway. So, does Bedard now get picked ahead of Peavy? i wouldn't put him over peavy. btw, i wonder if this move will help felix...not having the pressure of being the savior at such a young age.
It does increase his value, but Bedard, Peavy, and Santana are already "marked through" on my list because I have no plans on picking pitchers that early anyway. So, does Bedard now get picked ahead of Peavy? i wouldn't put him over peavy. btw, i wonder if this move will help felix...not having the pressure of being the savior at such a young age.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:33 pm
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:21 pm
Originally posted by Plymouth:
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces. Just on Opening Day.
Rainouts and team scheduling all but diffuse the opposing aces theory.
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces. Just on Opening Day.
Rainouts and team scheduling all but diffuse the opposing aces theory.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:25 pm
Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces. Just on Opening Day.
Rainouts and team scheduling all but diffuse the opposing aces theory. [/QUOTE]I looked at Felix's starts for 2007 and 27% of his starts were against the opponents #1 pitcher. I agree with what you are saying that it is not always ace against ace but a good percent of the time it is. If you have Hernandez, would you prefer he is the #1 or the #2 pitcher in Seattle's rotation? I can't believe you would not care.
quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces. Just on Opening Day.
Rainouts and team scheduling all but diffuse the opposing aces theory. [/QUOTE]I looked at Felix's starts for 2007 and 27% of his starts were against the opponents #1 pitcher. I agree with what you are saying that it is not always ace against ace but a good percent of the time it is. If you have Hernandez, would you prefer he is the #1 or the #2 pitcher in Seattle's rotation? I can't believe you would not care.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:46 pm
Bedard goes from a 3rd rounder to a 3rd rounder?
I guess similar to what someone said about him going from top 5 pitcher status to top 5 pitcher.
So as far as his value going up, sure. Prorate his stats for a full season last year and he's got 16 wins with 260 K's with a solid e.r.a/whip. Great numbers. Now he moves to a supreme pitcher's park. I still question whether he will duplicate last year's numbers. We'll see. I'm not saying he won't but he sure started the year on the wrong foot to the tune of a 6.50 e.r.a. with a 1.50 whip and then turned around and produced Johan-like numbers the rest of the way. There are still no guarantees with this guy.
I think much more intriguing is what that trade does for Adam Jones' value.
I guess similar to what someone said about him going from top 5 pitcher status to top 5 pitcher.
So as far as his value going up, sure. Prorate his stats for a full season last year and he's got 16 wins with 260 K's with a solid e.r.a/whip. Great numbers. Now he moves to a supreme pitcher's park. I still question whether he will duplicate last year's numbers. We'll see. I'm not saying he won't but he sure started the year on the wrong foot to the tune of a 6.50 e.r.a. with a 1.50 whip and then turned around and produced Johan-like numbers the rest of the way. There are still no guarantees with this guy.
I think much more intriguing is what that trade does for Adam Jones' value.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:43 pm
I guess the question is - would Bedard move from his current spot in the later half of the third round or early fourth round in some drafts to early in the 3rd round, right around the turn from the 2nd. If that were the case, anyone who is targeting him as their number one pitcher would no longer want to KDS a draft spot in the middle but would need to go higher.
Could he even go in the late second round? Maybe in a few leagues if an owner sees him as a big upgrade over the remaining pitchers and sees a glut of hitters, some of whom will certainly be available in 5 or so picks when his turn comes up in the third.
The Orioles will probably screw this thing up anyways, so I wouldn't move him on your lists just yet.
Could he even go in the late second round? Maybe in a few leagues if an owner sees him as a big upgrade over the remaining pitchers and sees a glut of hitters, some of whom will certainly be available in 5 or so picks when his turn comes up in the third.
The Orioles will probably screw this thing up anyways, so I wouldn't move him on your lists just yet.
E.Bedard
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:49 pm
Originally posted by freddiezee:
I guess the question is - would Bedard move from his current spot in the later half of the third round or early fourth round in some drafts to early in the 3rd round, right around the turn from the 2nd. If that were the case, anyone who is targeting him as their number one pitcher would no longer want to KDS a draft spot in the middle but would need to go higher.
Could he even go in the late second round? Maybe in a few leagues if an owner sees him as a big upgrade over the remaining pitchers and sees a glut of hitters, some of whom will certainly be available in 5 or so picks when his turn comes up in the third.
The Orioles will probably screw this thing up anyways, so I wouldn't move him on your lists just yet. Excellent post. Definitely cleared up exactly how Bedard moves up.
I guess the question is - would Bedard move from his current spot in the later half of the third round or early fourth round in some drafts to early in the 3rd round, right around the turn from the 2nd. If that were the case, anyone who is targeting him as their number one pitcher would no longer want to KDS a draft spot in the middle but would need to go higher.
Could he even go in the late second round? Maybe in a few leagues if an owner sees him as a big upgrade over the remaining pitchers and sees a glut of hitters, some of whom will certainly be available in 5 or so picks when his turn comes up in the third.
The Orioles will probably screw this thing up anyways, so I wouldn't move him on your lists just yet. Excellent post. Definitely cleared up exactly how Bedard moves up.
E.Bedard
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:00 am
Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
Definitely cleared up exactly how Bedard moves up. for some maybe. sorry if i didn't bye into the hype that bedard was a 3rd round pick while being a member of the orioles. for me, if the trade happens, bedard moves up significantly on my draft board. too bad for crazy, he doesn't have a copy of mine
Definitely cleared up exactly how Bedard moves up. for some maybe. sorry if i didn't bye into the hype that bedard was a 3rd round pick while being a member of the orioles. for me, if the trade happens, bedard moves up significantly on my draft board. too bad for crazy, he doesn't have a copy of mine
E.Bedard
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:05 am
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
It does increase his value, but Bedard, Peavy, and Santana are already "marked through" on my list because I have no plans on picking pitchers that early anyway. So, does Bedard now get picked ahead of Peavy? i wouldn't put him over peavy. btw, i wonder if this move will help felix...not having the pressure of being the savior at such a young age. [/QUOTE]I think it does help Felix. Pitching against a number 1 versus number 2 or 3 is not where the break is. It is a little more intangible than that. As good as Smoltz and Glavine were in the '90's, I think they benefited from having Maddux carry the load as 'Da Man. It is hard enough to pitch in the majors, I imagine, without having the extra "Ace" pressure. Same for the King, especially at his age.
But, like what was mentioned earlier, it looks like BLT is thowing a fit over the Jones leak and may shoot themselves in the foot...again...
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
It does increase his value, but Bedard, Peavy, and Santana are already "marked through" on my list because I have no plans on picking pitchers that early anyway. So, does Bedard now get picked ahead of Peavy? i wouldn't put him over peavy. btw, i wonder if this move will help felix...not having the pressure of being the savior at such a young age. [/QUOTE]I think it does help Felix. Pitching against a number 1 versus number 2 or 3 is not where the break is. It is a little more intangible than that. As good as Smoltz and Glavine were in the '90's, I think they benefited from having Maddux carry the load as 'Da Man. It is hard enough to pitch in the majors, I imagine, without having the extra "Ace" pressure. Same for the King, especially at his age.
But, like what was mentioned earlier, it looks like BLT is thowing a fit over the Jones leak and may shoot themselves in the foot...again...
E.Bedard
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:58 am
Originally posted by Plymouth:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces. Just on Opening Day.
Rainouts and team scheduling all but diffuse the opposing aces theory. [/QUOTE]I looked at Felix's starts for 2007 and 27% of his starts were against the opponents #1 pitcher. I agree with what you are saying that it is not always ace against ace but a good percent of the time it is. If you have Hernandez, would you prefer he is the #1 or the #2 pitcher in Seattle's rotation? I can't believe you would not care. [/QUOTE]Believe it!
You said that 27% of Felix Hernandez's starts were against the opponent's #1 pitcher. Isn't it true that he had a 20% chance of facing ANY (#s 1 through 5) of the opponent's pitchers?
Slotting in pitching rotation really only matters when you're talking Number 5 pitchers that get skipped for the entire month of April.
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Plymouth:
I think it helps Felix because he will not have to face the opposing Aces. Just on Opening Day.
Rainouts and team scheduling all but diffuse the opposing aces theory. [/QUOTE]I looked at Felix's starts for 2007 and 27% of his starts were against the opponents #1 pitcher. I agree with what you are saying that it is not always ace against ace but a good percent of the time it is. If you have Hernandez, would you prefer he is the #1 or the #2 pitcher in Seattle's rotation? I can't believe you would not care. [/QUOTE]Believe it!
You said that 27% of Felix Hernandez's starts were against the opponent's #1 pitcher. Isn't it true that he had a 20% chance of facing ANY (#s 1 through 5) of the opponent's pitchers?
Slotting in pitching rotation really only matters when you're talking Number 5 pitchers that get skipped for the entire month of April.
E.Bedard
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:01 am
Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
I think it does help Felix. Pitching against a number 1 versus number 2 or 3 is not where the break is. It is a little more intangible than that. As good as Smoltz and Glavine were in the '90's, I think they benefited from having Maddux carry the load as 'Da Man. It is hard enough to pitch in the majors, I imagine, without having the extra "Ace" pressure. Same for the King, especially at his age.I would agree with this. We easily forget that "The King" is still a kid -- getting Bedard would almost certainly help his psyche.
I think it does help Felix. Pitching against a number 1 versus number 2 or 3 is not where the break is. It is a little more intangible than that. As good as Smoltz and Glavine were in the '90's, I think they benefited from having Maddux carry the load as 'Da Man. It is hard enough to pitch in the majors, I imagine, without having the extra "Ace" pressure. Same for the King, especially at his age.I would agree with this. We easily forget that "The King" is still a kid -- getting Bedard would almost certainly help his psyche.