KDS For NFBC Satellite Leagues

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:46 am

We have several NFBC Satellite Leagues that are filled already and the draft spots have been determined using KDS. I won't identify any of the leagues, but I thought it would be good to post all of the KDS preferences from those leagues to show you what folks are thinking these days. I'll also show you how the KDS affected each league. Look for those results soon and feel free to chime in on your thoughts about KDS this year.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:52 am

From Greg:

The very first NFBC Satellite League that I pulled was the most amazing KDS I've ever seen. SEVEN owners got their top preference in this league as the KDS settings are all over the board. It's a perfect example of why KDS is good for owners because everyone has a different idea of what spot is best.

Four different owners had the No. 1 spot as their top preference and four different owners had No. 1 as their last preference. Crazy.

Anyway, here are the KDS preferences that were set for this league:

1,12,11,13,14,15,9,10,5,8,7,4,2,3,6

2,3,6,7,11,15,4,10,5,8,9,12,13,14,1

4,3,2,11,10,6,9,12,13,8,7,5,14,15,1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

5,6,4,12,11,13,3,2,1,10,9,7,8,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,7,8,9,5,10,4,11,3,12,13,2,14,1,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,2,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,1,8,7,13,14,15

10,11,12,13,9,8,14,15,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

1,5,6,4,3,2,7,11,12,13,10,9,8,14,15

8,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

13,12,14,15,11,5,4,3,2,6,7,8,9,10,1

7,8,10,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,11,9,13,14,15

6,7,8,4,1,5,2,3,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

** 7 teams got their 1st preference

** 1 team got their 2nd preference

** 1 team got their 3rd preference

** 1 team got their 4th preference

** 12 of the 15 teams got a preference in the Top 8

** the worst preferences were 12, 14 and 15

** Average preference per team was 4.7

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:52 am

Okay, here's another example of KDS from an upcoming NFBC Satellite League. This one was also interesting as nobody got a pick outside of their Top 10 KDS preferences. This time, three teams got their first preference and 12 of 15 owners got a preference in their top half. Only four of 15 teams -- like the previous satellite -- went 1-15 with their preferences.

Here are the KDS preferences:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,2,4,5,6,7,1,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,6,5,4,12,11,10,9,8,7,15,14,13

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,14,15,10,12,11

1,8,7,9,10,6,11,15,12,14,13,5,4,2,3

6,7,1,5,3,2,4,8,9,11,10,15,13,12,14

1,3,2,5,6,4,7,10,11,12,9,8,13,14,15

1,12,11,13,14,15,9,10,8,2,3,4,5,7,6

12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,1,2,13,14,15

13,12,14,15,5,4,3,2,6,7,8,9,10,11,1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,14,15,13,9,10,11,12

1,2,3,15,14,13,4,5,6,12,11,10,9,8,7

Here's some facts about this league:

** 3 teams got their 1st preference

** 3 teams got their 2nd preference

** 2 teams got their 3rd preference

** 12 of 15 teams got a preference in their top half

** The lowest preferences were two at 9 and one at 8

** 11 of 15 teams had No. 1 as their first preference

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:44 am

Somebody take me to school on this.

How can I use this info?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:22 am

Originally posted by bluenose:

Somebody take me to school on this.

How can I use this info? Well, hopefully it will help you as you set your own KDS preferences. In a way, it shows you where some folks are hoping to draft (top, middle or bottom). Don't change your KDS preferences based on anyone else's opinion, but it's info that can't hurt.

With any luck, you'll get one of your top preferences for Draft Day.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:12 am

Here's another look at the KDS preferences for an upcoming NFBC Satellite League that has filled. The preferences of the 15 owners are below, followed by analysis:

1,2,3,4,5,8,7,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,9

3,2,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,1,8,7,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,2,1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

7,8,11,10,6,5,4,3,1,2,9,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,5,7,1,4,3,9,11,2,8,10,12,15,13,14

12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,1,2,13,14,15

1,12,13,14,15,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2

1,2,3,4,5,8,7,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,9

6,5,2,11,12,13,8,9,10,4,3,2,1,14,15

** This is a $125 Satellite League and 6 of 15 owners just left their KDS preferences at 1-15. Hopefully everyone will take advantage of KDS in the future and set them to their liking.

** The average KDS preference was only 5.8, which shows slightly lower help than previous drafts.

** Three owners got their 1st preference.

** Two owners got their 2nd preference.

** 10 of 15 owners got a preference in their top half.

** The worst three preferences were 10, 13 and 15.

** Nine owners picked No. 1 as their top preference, but only three of the nine owners who actually set their preferences had No. 1 as their top preference.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:24 am

Just an FYI to new NFBC owners: If you want to set your KDS preferences before the draft orders are picked, just:

Click on your team name.

Go to My Settings (top upper right).

Pull down to Draft Preferences.

Set your preferences in the order you'd like to draft.

Right now it is defaulted to 1-15. Set it the way you like, similar to some of the examples above. Good luck all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:42 am

This next NFBC Satellite League was one of the more interesting KDS preferences I've ever seen as many owners chose to move down in the draft order. Some folks who had 13, 14 or 15 as their top preferences lost out to others who had them listed higher. Very, very interesting and I won't try to give away which league this was because so many owners had similar strategies.

Here's the KDS listings:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

2,3,4,5,1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,4,10,15,11,9,12,8,14,13,7,6,5,2,3

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,12

1,2,3,7,8,6,4,5,9,15,14,13,12,11,10

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,15,14,13,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12

4,12,13,1,14,15,5,10,11,2,3,6,7,8,9

1,2,3,4,5,15,14,13,6,12,11,7,8,9,10

1,12,11,10,9,8,13,14,15,7,6,5,4,3,2

13,14,15,12,6,7,8,9,11,10,1,2,5,4,3

1,2,3,4,15,14,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13

1,15,14,13,5,7,6,11,4,10,9,12,8,3,2

** Three owners got their 1st preference.

** Three owners got their 2nd preference.

** 10 of 15 owners got a preference in their top half.

** The average preference was 4.8 per owner.

** Only two owners got a KDS under 8: 11 and 12.

** Four owners set their KDS as 1-15. 12 owners had No. 1 as their top preference.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:09 am

Not all of the owners in the satellite leagues are setting their KDS preferences, which is obviously each person's prerogative. In the latest draft I've looked at, nine owners kept their KDS preferences as 1-15. The other six looked like this:

3,1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,7,6,5,4,3,2

1,8,7,6,9,10,2,3,4,5,11,12,13,14,15

7,6,5,4,3,2,8,9,10,14,13,12,11,1,15

11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,15,14,13,10,9,8

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7

** Interesting, three teams got their 1st preference.

** Two teams got their 2nd preference

** 11 teams got a preference in their top half.

** The worst preferences were 9, 12 and 13.

** The average draft preference was 5.5, somewhat lower than past drafts.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:03 am

greg,

just my 2 cents, but i wouldnt be discouraged about people not setting the kds. i personally will set kds for main events and ultimate but took the philosophy of fate for the first few sat. leagues. so far, 2,4,8,10, and 10. as i figured, all over the board which is exactly what i wanted. for 125.00 i admit i just rolled with straight butter 1-15. RT

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:35 am

Greg - an improvement to the current KDS setup is the following...

If someone didn't 'submit' KDS preferences, they should not be evaluated until all of the league owners who DID submit preferences were evaluated.

Note - it is possible for someone to submit 1-15 as their preferences. They'd have to hit the "submit" button on the stats interface to lock it in.

This IS a win/win for everyone. Even more people would get a more preferred draft slot. NO downside whatsoever.

[ February 14, 2008, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:42 am

I second GG's suggestion -assuming of course that STATS can tell the difference between an untouched 1-15 and a "submitted" 1-15...

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Greg - an improvement to the current KDS setup is the following...

If someone didn't 'submit' KDS preferences, they should not be evaluated until all of the league owners who DID submit preferences were evaluated.

so you punish people for their forgetfulness or inexperience with online drafting. Not the best introduction to the NFBC for the beginning player.

Let's embrace the 1st timers and newbies with open arms

not punish them for their inexperience. The NFBC cannot grow without them!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:48 am

I agree. I am not in support of "preference" for those who pushed the submit button.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:49 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

so you punish people for their forgetfulness or inexperience with online drafting. Not the best introduction to the NFBC for the beginning player.

please specify, how are they being punished?

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:52 am

aGGreed - if they are just taking whatever spot they are dealt, they are not being punished. IF they followed instructions and WANTED to change or submit their preference for a draft slot, then they would; but they shouldn't be put even with a drafter who prefers the 1-15 order AND submits that.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:53 am

Q - do u believe in "personal responsibility" and "personal accountability"?

If a newbie forgets to submit his faab in week 1 do u believe he should get a redo?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:14 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

so you punish people for their forgetfulness or inexperience with online drafting. Not the best introduction to the NFBC for the beginning player.

please specify, how are they being punished? [/QUOTE]by OTHERS getting their preferences ahead of the uninitiated in what should be a RANDOM choosing of players and their preferred slots.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:23 am

I still agree with Q on this one. If there is no "punishment" then conversly there must not be a "benefit" according to your logic. If there is no benefit, then why the extra work to determine who pressed a button or not?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:25 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - do u believe in "personal responsibility" and "personal accountability"?

If a newbie forgets to submit his faab in week 1 do u believe he should get a redo? If you put it in the rules that they MUST hit the submit button for KDS order or they will be slotted with what is left over then they would be held accountable.

But why even add that as a rule ? Why start a newbie with a bad taste in their mouth with a rule 3 weeks before they use MDC for the 1st time, and then 4 weeks before the season even starts ??

If they feel they got hosed out of the gate and they get #15 and they finish out of the $ who do you think they'll blame? Will they return because of it ?

I think your suggestion can hurt more people (and the NFBC) than have it help anybody.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:26 am

U guys must be democrats

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:29 am

What bad taste? These people do NOT have a preference. They are equally happy no matter which slot they get. Let's not forget that.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:29 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Q - do u believe in "personal responsibility" and "personal accountability"?

If a newbie forgets to submit his faab in week 1 do u believe he should get a redo? Sorry Mark, but I think this is a poor analogy. In both cases the owner is personally accountable and responsible if he/she does not want to (or forgets to) state a preference in the KDS and does not want to (or forgets to) submit a FAAB bid that week. The forgetful owner is the only one who derives benefit or detriment from their actions.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:30 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

U guys must be democrats

DUDE! That hurts!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:38 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

What bad taste? These people do NOT have a preference. They are equally happy no matter which slot they get. Let's not forget that. Right now if they forget or overlook the rules then they're still in the running for the top picks on down. Add your stipulation that they get what no one else wanted if they dont hit submit and I DONT think they are as equally happy as the other players when they find out.

Again. Why even go down that road ?