Ron Shandler passes on the big show!

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:26 am

I know, I know, Ron Shandler had the flu. But I offered three times for him to do the 1300 auction in Las Vegas. It's my spot and I'd have been happy to step aside as a co-owner and let him do his thing. I'd paid the fee. I'm sure Greg would have got him a room. Which proves to me he's scared of a draft were the best pay for something at stake. Sad!!!

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:31 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I know, I know, Ron Shandler had the flu. But I offered three times for him to do the 1300 auction in Las Vegas. It's my spot and I'd have been happy to step aside as a co-owner and let him do his thing. I'd paid the fee. I'm sure Greg would have got him a room. Which proves to me he's scared of a draft were the best pay for something at stake. Sad!!!

My definition of sad is a little different. Mine is an angry air traffic controller from the Pacific Northwest who constantly throws money at a hobby he is terrible at and then disrespects a nice guy who is just trying to help people. I know bjoak run on sentence but it will not be my last.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:32 am

Dude - if I was ron, I wouldn't want ANYTHING to do with you.

U must like isolating yourself. Lonely road, but it's yours.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:33 am

How many years are we going to have a thread like this before you realize it has NOTHING to do with what you think it does?

Ron is HEAVILY involved in Tout Wars with two teams and the operation of it. He has employees that play in LABR.

His plate is full with other items also. Move on, and quit acting like a child when someone doesn't take you up on your kind offer.

[ February 21, 2008, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:34 am

I call them as I see them. He has had the chance to compete. And has always passed. Sorry to trash your man love!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:38 am

Bowing to him in one post, calling him out after he's gone. THAT is sad.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:40 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Bowing to him in one post, calling him out after he's gone. THAT is sad. Exactly!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:45 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

[Q] I know, I know, Ron Shandler had the flu. But I offered three times for him to do the 1300 auction in Las Vegas. It's my spot and I'd have been happy to step aside as a co-owner and let him do his thing (well, except for my list of free agents I'll call him about on Sundays..oh and draft day, there's a couple of guys I reallllly like to get for team SHALALA, and I'll keep mondays roster move call on the short end...what's your home phone #?) I'd paid the fee. I'm sure Greg would have got him a room. Which proves to me he's scared of a draft were the best pay for something at stake. Sad!!!

[/Q]

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:48 am

Ever think he might just not have wanted to sit next to you for that long. I don't know anyone who would.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:58 am

He wouldn't have to sit next to me. Hell I'd stay out of the room and go party. As far as running the team I'd let him do that too. Greg could fix it that I'd have no input. I wouldn't want it.

I just like to see him compete. Stop making excuses for him. The offer is still open. I e-mailed Greg and Tom the time I made the offer. Its for real with no strings attached.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:05 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

He wouldn't have to sit next to me. Hell I'd stay out of the room and go party. As far as running the team I'd let him do that too. Greg could fix it that I'd have no input. I wouldn't want it.

I just like to see him compete. Stop making excuses for him. The offer is still open. I e-mailed Greg and Tom the time I made the offer. Its for real with no strings attached. I don't have a problem with John asking Ron to take this team. I really don't. He said the money would go to charity. I think we all know that Ron doesn't want to compete in these type of events and I don't blame him. Plus he's got a busy schedule before the NFBC with trips all across the country. He's also in Tout Wars and runs that, and this year they'll have a TV presence. So I know this wouldn't work for him. But John offered and Ron has declined.

No problem. Let's move on and save the insults for when we see each other.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:15 am

Nice to see that the sniping and name calling from the home leagues is carrying over

Greg, you and Tom do a great job of putting out the fires. Kudos.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:21 am

UFS, I've read your posts in the past. I've helped you in the past. **** YOU!!!!!!!!!

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:23 am

I for one would love Ron to compete with the best in the world , hell whats the fee's to play in tout wars.This was a chance and he's passed , why such an attack on Walla.I do have more respect to the guys that play for money then the ones that get together for a magazine and nothing is at stake. I realize Ron and others have a good thing going and they dont need to compete in the money league's , because if they dont do well it could hurt them.[at least thats what ive heard why they wont play]

Ive even heard their lawyers have advised them not to play.Look how bad Mattew Berry [the talented mr roto] did in his one year in one of Greg's event, i think dead last and never heard from again.I also heard Berry quit and didnt manage his team , thats why i would never buy anything from him.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:29 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

I for one would love Ron to compete with the best in the world , hell whats the fee's to play in tout wars.This was a chance and he's passed , why such an attack on Walla.I do have more respect to the guys that play for money then the ones that get together for a magazine and nothing is at stake. I realize Ron and others have a good thing going and they dont need to compete in the money league's , because if they dont do well it could hurt them.[at least thats what ive heard why they wont play]

Ive even heard their lawyers have advised them not to play.Look how bad Mattew Berry [the talented mr roto] did in his one year in one of Greg's event, i think dead last and never heard from again.I also heard Berry quit and didnt manage his team , thats why i would never buy anything from him. Mark me down as another who would find it very intriguing to see every one from Tout Wars play in the NFBC main...to see if one triumphs...or at least earns their respect vs. a public competition.

I deleted a stupid rant on this subject...but still agree with my rant.

~Lance

freddiezee · Post by **freddiezee** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:46 am

I agree that we can't fault Walla too much on this one, although we don't need a lot of public attacks on the message boards.

Ron is one of the leading people in this industry and I read his books in great detail. In my opinion, this is the leading contest in the industry and that's why I play here.

For someone to offer to pay for Ron's team just to see him compete is not the worst idea I've ever heard of.

However, baseball and fantasy baseball is Ron's profession and most people in the NFBC can't say that. So, if he is busier than us during March, it really comes as no surprise.

I would really like to see Ron in the main event some day, but I doubt I will. I didn't know about Matthew Berry.....that's embarassing.....and ESPN's site is worse since he took over IMO.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:47 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

UFS, I've read your posts in the past. I've helped you in the past. **** YOU!!!!!!!!! You didn't "help me". Help implies you were solving a problem. Maybe it solved YOUR problem, issue or concern.

All I did was accept a gift, which was definitely appreciated, but in the end, was for the same lame reasons you are fixated on here.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:50 am

Lance im with you, Tout Wars does nothing for me , with nothing on the line it doesnt matter.

Have these guys put up a thousand or two of their own money and if they do well or win then i would give them my respect.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:51 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by eddiejag:

I for one would love Ron to compete with the best in the world , hell whats the fee's to play in tout wars.This was a chance and he's passed , why such an attack on Walla.I do have more respect to the guys that play for money then the ones that get together for a magazine and nothing is at stake. I realize Ron and others have a good thing going and they dont need to compete in the money league's , because if they dont do well it could hurt them.[at least thats what ive heard why they wont play]

Ive even heard their lawyers have advised them not to play.Look how bad Mattew Berry [the talented mr roto] did in his one year in one of Greg's event, i think dead last and never heard from again.I also heard Berry quit and didnt manage his team , thats why i would never buy anything from him. I deleted a stupid rant on this subject...but still agree with my rant.

~Lance [/QUOTE]Why is it that I can picture in my head Lance debating with himself over this!!!

And wait until that debate heats up once the cocktail hour starts.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:58 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Lance im with you, Tout Wars does nothing for me , with nothing on the line it doesnt matter.

Have these guys put up a thousand or two of their own money and if they do well or win then i would give them my respect. I understand your point, but for the guys that do play in it, you really need to understand that there IS something on the line in this league and in LABR.

All I can say from playing in both, is that there does NOT need to be any money be on the line when competing with this group of guys.

Put in NFBC terms, would you need any money on the line if you were to beat Childs, StevieGuys, Thomas and the like if they were all in the same league? No. Beating them would be more important than the money. The money always follows when you achieve something like that.

Edit: There is trading in those leagues also which makes fees a bad idea, unlike here. Fees would also detract from the main goals that each league is trying to achieve.

[ February 21, 2008, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:26 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by eddiejag:

Lance im with you, Tout Wars does nothing for me , with nothing on the line it doesnt matter.

Have these guys put up a thousand or two of their own money and if they do well or win then i would give them my respect. I understand your point, but for the guys that do play in it, you really need to understand that there IS something on the line in this league and in LABR.

All I can say from playing in both, is that there does NOT need to be any money be on the line when competing with this group of guys.

Put in NFBC terms, would you need any money on the line if you were to beat Childs, StevieGuys, Thomas and the like if they were all in the same league? No. Beating them would be more important than the money. The money always follows when you achieve something like that.

Edit: There is trading in those leagues also which makes fees a bad idea, unlike here. Fees would also detract from the main goals that each league is trying to achieve. [/QUOTE]Being competitive in a "good old boys network" and being competitive vs. the top money players (with an open invite to anyone with the entry fee) are two very different things IMO.

Trade leagues are for friendly leagues.

Friendly leagues are just that.

~Lance

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:30 am

John, I have to agree with Lance here on one point: Both Tout Wars and LABR allow trades and we both know how that plays into who wins each year. Nothing against both leagues as trust me the bragging rights are very valuable to every single owner and the competition is EXTREMELY tough in both events. But the dynamic of allowing trades changes everything as some guys dump categories on Draft Day to then trade their excess for it later and others make a lot more deals than others (certainly me). The NFBC puts so much emphasis on your Draft Day knowledge and your in-season management (i.e. seeing potential sleepers before others do) than either Tout or LABR.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:41 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

John, I have to agree with Lance here on one point: Both Tout Wars and LABR allow trades and we both know how that plays into who wins each year. Nothing against both leagues as trust me the bragging rights are very valuable to every single owner and the competition is EXTREMELY tough in both events. But the dynamic of allowing trades changes everything as some guys dump categories on Draft Day to then trade their excess for it later and others make a lot more deals than others (certainly me). The NFBC puts so much emphasis on your Draft Day knowledge and your in-season management (i.e. seeing potential sleepers before others do) than either Tout or LABR. That's why I put my edit in on the trades.

I was responding to Eddie as he said there is "nothing" on the line. And you have just answered that concern also

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:48 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by eddiejag:

Lance im with you, Tout Wars does nothing for me , with nothing on the line it doesnt matter.

Have these guys put up a thousand or two of their own money and if they do well or win then i would give them my respect. I understand your point, but for the guys that do play in it, you really need to understand that there IS something on the line in this league and in LABR.

All I can say from playing in both, is that there does NOT need to be any money be on the line when competing with this group of guys.

Put in NFBC terms, would you need any money on the line if you were to beat Childs, StevieGuys, Thomas and the like if they were all in the same league? No. Beating them would be more important than the money. The money always follows when you achieve something like that.

Edit: There is trading in those leagues also which makes fees a bad idea, unlike here. Fees would also detract from the main goals that each league is trying to achieve. [/QUOTE]As a poor 24 year-old living on his own, I disagree.. I'll take the money.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:57 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I know, I know, Ron Shandler had the flu. But I offered three times for him to do the 1300 auction in Las Vegas. It's my spot and I'd have been happy to step aside as a co-owner and let him do his thing. I'd paid the fee. I'm sure Greg would have got him a room. Which proves to me he's scared of a draft were the best pay for something at stake. Sad!!!

My definition of sad is a little different. Mine is an angry air traffic controller from the Pacific Northwest who constantly throws money at a hobby he is terrible at and then disrespects a nice guy who is just trying to help people. I know bjoak run on sentence but it will not be my last. [/QUOTE]Long doesn't equal run-on. That was one of your few non-run-ons. The last sentence to me--I don't know what it is. Maybe a frag-on.

The point is coming where you are going to have to compete here if you are in the industry. HQ should have a rep, at least. It is a sign of weakness.