what do you care more about?

freddiezee · Post by **freddiezee** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:54 am

When the leagues and orders come out in a few minutes, what is a bigger priority for you....

1. seeing what pick you have

or

2. seeing who else is in your league

For me, it's the pick, but I don't know a lot of the competitors....I thought maybe a lot of the veterans might think otherwise...

Hobo Zeke · Post by **Hobo Zeke** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:27 am

Both 1 and 2 are important to me.

If I don't get one of my first 6 KDS slots then I will be disappointed. In mock drafts have been using only those spots. Could be a rough go otherwise.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:29 am

Originally posted by freddiezee:

When the leagues and orders come out in a few minutes, what is a bigger priority for you....

1. seeing what pick you have

or

2. seeing who else is in your league

For me, it's the pick, but I don't know a lot of the competitors....I thought maybe a lot of the veterans might think otherwise... Has to be what slot we get. Competitors are important of course and getting slotted with a bunch of ringers would suck, but only you can control whether or not you make the right picks from the slot given.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:33 am

No question it is less important what slot one picks in. In a weak league a good player can take advantage from any draft slot, whereas if you're in a league full of top players it will be a grind no matter where you pick from. Gimme the weaker players anyday.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:41 am

Originally posted by cindy:

No question it is less important what slot one picks in. In a weak league a good player can take advantage from any draft slot, whereas if you're in a league full of top players it will be a grind no matter where you pick from. Gimme the weaker players anyday. I'll agree.

All draft slots to a certain degree...are fairly equal.

Leaguemates however...are not.

~Lance

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:47 am

Agreed completely w/ Cindy/Lance.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:48 am

Originally posted by bluenose:

Agreed completely w/ Cindy/Lance. I guess I am in the minority, but I don't or can't make myself worry about who is in my league.

Wax_Poetic · Post by **Wax_Poetic** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:59 pm

I'll have to agree with Cindy and Lance as well. I was in a Fox Sports draft yesterday, with the same settings as a NFBC league, and my first 4 picks were M. Cabrera, Rollins, Braun, and Tex.

One guy picked Byrnes with his first round pick. It was a joke and I left the draft automated the rest of the way b/c it wasn't worth my time.

This travesty would never happen if the 14 other managers had a clue.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:52 am

I also agree with cindy and lance.Wanting picks 10 to 15 i didnt think would be a promblem and it wasnt getting 12 in the Super and 11 in the main.Last year was in a very good group of players where pitching went fast in furious.

In my main had to take Haren in the 7th round but in the Ultimate could get him in the 9th round 30 picks later.Beckett who helped many winners last year going in the 12th to 14th round was gone in the 8th.Just a few examples what a good league can do.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:01 am

I could care less who's in my league. People act as if a person is a vet here, they automatically have an upper hand. Odds are this is somewhat true, but I guarantee a few of the vets will be shocked by some rookies this season.

The same thing happens in the NFFC as well. People thought Tampa would be a cakewalk....I know a few NFFC vets who said it was the hardest city they drated in AND this was from a league with a bunch of rooks.

Hey Cindy, how'd Todd do in Tampa, with all of those newbies, when you proclaimed he would win it all due to them?? :rolleyes:

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:17 am

Have not yet done it for baseball, but for football, it is EASILY the slot you get.

Seeing who else is in your league is just "icing on the cake" IMO.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:00 am

GLY, Are you stating that if given a choice you would rather compete in a league with proven veteran players over first time players? I find that hard to believe if true. It is a different story in football. The very first time I played in the NFFC I won my league because I was lucky enough to get the first pick and LT. I did not know much about football at all. In baseball skill is far more important than draft slot and in football the draft slot is crucial. As for Todd, I can't explain that, I believed he had an advantage in Tampa, but he didn't come thru. I think he was too busy writing for mastersball at the time if I had to guess a reason.

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:10 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

Have not yet done it for baseball, but for football, it is EASILY the slot you get.

Seeing who else is in your league is just "icing on the cake" IMO. OK, but football's a different animal. You're only starting eight or nine guys (kickers don't count, most TE don't either) and there's a point (or two) in the first round where there's a significant drop off in talent.

Baseball you start 23 players and that means 345 guys league-wide. In football, only 250-odd even get drafted. Drafting poisition seems a lotr less crucial in bases.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:33 am

Originally posted by cindy:

In baseball skill is far more important than draft slot and in football the draft slot is crucial. While I don't disagree that you need skill in baseball, you need it in football too.

I have made it to the championship round 3 of 4 years in the NFFC drafting from 14, 9, and 8.

I would hardly call any of those an "advantageous" draft spot.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:34 am

Originally posted by bluenose:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

Have not yet done it for baseball, but for football, it is EASILY the slot you get.

Seeing who else is in your league is just "icing on the cake" IMO. Drafting poisition seems a lotr less crucial in bases. [/QUOTE]I agree with that. But if you're good, you can win from ANYWHERE in football too (see above post).

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GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:10 am

Originally posted by cindy:

GLY, Are you stating that if given a choice you would rather compete in a league with proven veteran players over first time players? I find that hard to believe if true.

You'd make a great politician....I didn't say anything of the sort. All I said is I don't care about who's in my league or not. I think I'm the best, so bring on the best or the worst, doesn't matter.

I would venture to say EVERY SINGLE PERSON that I play against in baseball has more FBB experience than me, so why would I care who is playing in my league anyways??

It is a different story in football. The very first time I played in the NFFC I won my league because I was lucky enough to get the first pick and LT. I did not know much about football at all.

Most people who had LT won, but I do know some NFFC vets who had LT and lost. It's all about who you draft, not who's in your draft.

In baseball skill is far more important than draft slot and in football the draft slot is crucial.

Pleeease, read Billy's post....not everyone walks with crutches. If you are good, you can win from any spot in any sport. I'm seriously more concerned about MY DRAFT SLOT in baseball since it dictates the rest of my team.

So if skill IS more important in baseball, what difference does it make who is in your league or not? If you have the skill, it doesn't matter.

As for Todd, I can't explain that, I believed he had an advantage in Tampa, but he didn't come thru. I think he was too busy writing for mastersball at the time if I had to guess a reason. Yea, I'm sure he was worried more about getting those articles out there so others could make $$$$ instead of him.

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cindy · Post by **cindy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:48 am

billywaz, I am not intending to dillute yours or anyone elses ability in football. I absolutely realize that anyone who consistently places well in the NFFC is a great player. I guess my point was to just show that as a real novice in football, I was able to do very well getting the gift of LT and pretty much following a magazine draft guide putting the rest of my team together. I do not believe that is possible in baseball, there's just too much more involved over the course of the season. I find it much harder to be successful in the NFBC.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:07 am

GLY, You are sounding an awful lot like when a player on the Yankees says they really wanted to go through the Red Sox to win the world series because they do not care about their opponent, they believe they are the best. In reality, the truth is if they have a chance to avoid Boston and play a weaker opponent they have an easier time reaching their goal. All of our goals here is to win 100k and it would be difficult to understand why someone given the choice would not want the less successful players in their league to accomplish this. Being confident in your ability to beat anyone is fantastic, but why take the tougher road when you don't have to. You further fortify my stance of draft slot being less important than leaguemates by your response. Good players can win from any draft slot in both sports, that is clear. But when I look to see who is my league, I would much rather see a rookie than Shawn Childs. I still can't reason how you would differ on that.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:29 am

Originally posted by cindy:

billywaz, I am not intending to dillute yours or anyone elses ability in football. I absolutely realize that anyone who consistently places well in the NFFC is a great player. I guess my point was to just show that as a real novice in football, I was able to do very well getting the gift of LT and pretty much following a magazine draft guide putting the rest of my team together. I do not believe that is possible in baseball, there's just too much more involved over the course of the season. I find it much harder to be successful in the NFBC. No offense taken Cindy.

I totally see where you are coming from, and AGREE that in 2006 when LT dominated, many of those people did well because he singlehandily carried them. However, many who had him DID NOT have the #1 pick that year. Same with Brady this past year (although he wasn't a first rounder).

I participated in a NFBC baseball satellite last year (first time playing fantasy baseball in 13 years) which I led until the All-Star break and then Patrick Welsh and Glenn Schroter blew past me and duked it out till the end (Patrick ended up winning).

Anyhow, I had the 3rd pick and passed on Jose Reyes for Alex Rodriguez. I was told by a different NFBC veteran and regular MBer that it was a mistake. What I am getting at is that

if I had playing for a while and knew baseball better, I think I would have made better picks AFTER A-Rod, and would have been more competitive.

Obviously with baseball since there 10x more games, and you start 23 players in baseball to 10 players in football, I would actually think SKILL would play out more. That all being said, I would like to think that my success in football isn't all luck, (as I didn't have Brady or LT and made the championship rounds those two years) but I DO see your point here Cindy. If I had to put a number on it, I would say football on average is about 70% skill, 30% luck, where baseball is probably closer to 85% skill, 15% luck. I have done pretty well in football, and if this in fact takes more skill, the main reason I am getting into baseball, is I plan to test that theory out.

You can't deny that players like Shawn Childs, Dan Kenyon, Steve Jupinka, & Andrew Nolan/Chris Stephenson etc. are "lucky", they obviously have the skill needed for this game as their consistency proves it.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:59 am

Billywaz, I believe that when you are as good as you are in football or childs is in baseball people will listen to your opinions and take them seriously. I enjoy reading what the top players have to say. Best of luck in baseball. I have a feeling that you will do well.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:12 am

Thanks for the nice words Cindy.

I'm just in two satellites this year, but I definitely plan to be in the Main next year.

With a little luck, I won't have to pay!

Good luck to you as well this year!

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:34 am

Cindy, you're still being a politician.

Do I think it would be harder having the "elite" players in my league, sure...do I care if they are in my league...nope. Do I care more about my drat slot, yep.

IMO, your analogy/comparison doesn't hold water. The Yanks and Red Sox and all the teams in mlb know something about each other. A lot people in the NFBC are unknowns to everyone. You have no idea where they are coming from and what they know. So for me to think that just because someone has performed well in the NFBC, that I should be more worried about them than Joe Blow from Nowheresville or someone who hasn't excelled yet, well, I just can't get behind that logic.

If you're worried about your league, due to the other owners within, you probably don't have a chance from the outset.

I'm only focused on one owner. Pick #8 in Orlando 1.

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:44 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

Anyhow, I had the 3rd pick and passed on Jose Reyes for Alex Rodriguez. I was told by a different NFBC veteran and regular MBer that it was a mistake. What I am getting at is that

if I had playing for a while and knew baseball better, I think I would have made better picks AFTER A-Rod, and would have been more competitive.

if i may chime in...

arod overperformed and finished the year #1. reyes underperformed and finished the year #3. in any event, if you drafted arod OR reyes you still had a good shot to win your league.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:46 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

If you're worried about your league, due to the other owners within, you probably don't have a chance from the outset.

i wouldn't 'worry', but i'd certainly know who my opponents are and if they have any prior tendencies.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:49 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

Anyhow, I had the 3rd pick and passed on Jose Reyes for Alex Rodriguez. I was told by a different NFBC veteran and regular MBer that it was a mistake. What I am getting at is that

if I had playing for a while and knew baseball better, I think I would have made better picks AFTER A-Rod, and would have been more competitive.

if i may chime in...

arod overperformed and finished the year #1. reyes underperformed and finished the year #3. in any event, if you drafted arod OR reyes you still had a good shot to win your league. [/QUOTE]I agree. But being that it was my first try in 13 years, I was obviously very "green" and couldn't compete with those who have been playing longer.

That all being said, I did think A-Rod was a great pick last season, and although I don't think anyone could have predicted what he did, I did have him better than Reyes (obviously), so at least I got that right.

P.S. I never got that review of my team the other night Mark.