Crazy vs. GLY side bet in pitching

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:46 am

This bet was made after GLY's prediction he'd beat me by "10-15 points in pitching"

I've got much respect for GLY's out of the box thinking and if he can beat my pitching this year, I swear I will start believing in God.

You be the judge.

Crazy's pitching staff:

#1 - Jake Peavy (stud)

#2 - Pedro Martinez (healthy, could be nice value pick)

#3 - Jeremy Bonderman (built up forearm muscles to avoid history of 2nd half collapse)

#4 - Randy Johnson (team wants to temper innings/starts to keep him healthy)

#5 - John Patterson (only pitching 87 mph tops right now, has incredible stuff when healthy but might take until May to get fastball in low 90's)

#6 - Ervin Santana - Hoping he gets back to 15 game winner with 4.00 e.r.a.

#7 - Ubaldo Jiminez - could be a reach, great stuff with control problems. Might be nice pitcher or a dud, can't say for sure.

RP - Takashi Saito - 38 years old, needs to avoid injury but peripherals have been as good if not better than anybody last year.

RP - George Sherrill - first year as closer, great peripherals, could be nice value pick.

Bench: Clayton Kershaw and Kevin Slowey.

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GLY's pitching staff:

#1 - Gil Meche (solid, wins a problem)

#2 - Ian Kennedy (me likey)

#3 - Johnny Cueto(should win 5th spot, nice pick)

#4 - Jason Bergmann (not a bad pitcher, but wins are a problem)

#5 - Chris Capuano (could be nice comeback candidate)

#6 - Micah Owings (might be a better hitter than pitcher)

#7 - Aaron Laffey

RP - Jeremy Accardo

RP - Heath Bell

Bench: Pat Neshek, Jonathan Broxton, Dana Eveland

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rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:50 pm

unless peavy & meche pull a "freaky friday" there is no way that you lose this bet crazed one. gly musta taken some peyote & been in the middle of a vision quest when he said his pitching would beat yers by 10-15 pts. once ryan comes back, he's got no closers and his starters....puhleeeze, no chance...well maybe if everyone of yer guys gets hurt in april & need tj surg!

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:21 pm

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I've got much respect for GLY's out of the box thinking and if he can beat my pitching this year, I swear I will start believing in God.

LMAO-

Me too- GLY pulls this off and I will be be singing hymns.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:35 pm

right now- i say 50/50 both broxton and bell are closing by june. if that happens glu would win 3 of 5 categories- but the rest of league will have much to say about who gets most points

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:06 pm

Originally posted by headhunters:

right now- i say 50/50 both broxton and bell are closing by june. if that happens glu would win 3 of 5 categories- but the rest of league will have much to say about who gets most points If Broxton (5 for 16 lifetime in save opps) and Heath Bell become closer by June, how does 40 combined saves lead the league?

I do know NorCal said he drafted a team without a closer and ended up leading the league in saves. But expecting that is ludicrous.

Don't forget, wins and strikeouts will be too low to compensate as well.

Either GLY is some jedi fantasy master (very possible) or I've got this in the bag.

I think I'm pretty good at picking up pitching during the season as well.

Should be interesting. I'm more interested in coming in 1st place though.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:05 pm

Originally posted by headhunters:

right now- i say 50/50 both broxton and bell are closing by june. if that happens glu would win 3 of 5 categories- but the rest of league will have much to say about who gets most points Exactly which categories will GLY win? I am with Crazy on this bet

Spy

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:17 pm

Matt, while your attempting to fix your geriatric offense, I will be boosting my pitching staff.

I don't think you, nor others realize, I probably won't need to worry about picking up a SINGLE offensive player all season, unless something CRAZY happens.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:35 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Matt, while your attempting to fix your geriatric offense, I will be boosting my pitching staff.

I don't think you, nor others realize, I probably won't need to worry about picking up a SINGLE offensive player all season, unless something CRAZY happens.

How dare you say I have a geriatric offense? That's the worst insult I have ever heard. I can't believe you would say such a thing.

Now, what does geriatric mean?

Ok, just looked it up. Now I'm pissed. My team is not old, they take that very personally. They feel that they have proven themselves time and time again, and they don't think age matters. They feel like they are 45 years young. Great, now you hurt them. They're not talking anymore.

thanks.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:39 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

If Broxton (5 for 16 lifetime in save opps) Why do they charge set up man "blown saves" when they are not in the game for a save?

To use this is laughable in this context.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:20 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

If Broxton (5 for 16 lifetime in save opps) Why do they charge set up man "blown saves" when they are not in the game for a save?

To use this is laughable in this context. [/QUOTE]It doesn't matter what a team labels their pitchers. If a pitcher comes into a save situation, regardless of being designated the "closer", the "setup man", or just the "middle relief guy", then he shall be in a save situation.

You'll see setup guys get saves in certain situations when the closer has pitched on 2 or 3 consecutive days and need rest.

In those times when Saito was "resting", Broxton came into 8 save situations and blew 6 of them.

That doesn't mean that Broxton can't be an effective closer. One thing I have noticed through the years is that some pitchers can close and some can't. I've seen many great middle relievers get thrown into the closer role and fall on their face. You really can't predict how a pitcher will react to it until they are closing.

I guess I can give a short answer to your question:

They charge setup men with a blown save when they are in a save situation.

By the context of your question, sounds like you assume setup men are incapable of being in a save situation.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:40 pm

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

If Broxton (5 for 16 lifetime in save opps) Why do they charge set up man "blown saves" when they are not in the game for a save?

To use this is laughable in this context. [/QUOTE]It doesn't matter what a team labels their pitchers. If a pitcher comes into a save situation, regardless of being designated the "closer", the "setup man", or just the "middle relief guy", then he shall be in a save situation.

You'll see setup guys get saves in certain situations when the closer has pitched on 2 or 3 consecutive days and need rest.

In those times when Saito was "resting", Broxton came into 8 save situations and blew 6 of them.

That doesn't mean that Broxton can't be an effective closer. One thing I have noticed through the years is that some pitchers can close and some can't. I've seen many great middle relievers get thrown into the closer role and fall on their face. You really can't predict how a pitcher will react to it until they are closing.

I guess I can give a short answer to your question:

They charge setup men with a blown save when they are in a save situation.

By the context of your question, sounds like you assume setup men are incapable of being in a save situation. [/QUOTE]Sounds like your BS is overflowing as usual.

Broxton had Six Blown saves last year.

only ONE came in a true 9th inning save situation where Saito would have normally pitched.

That would be 7/22 vs NYM

So he was 2-3 in saves that closers normally appear in.

Here's the link:

****://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7613/gamelog;

[ March 18, 2008, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:50 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

If Broxton (5 for 16 lifetime in save opps) Why do they charge set up man "blown saves" when they are not in the game for a save?

To use this is laughable in this context. [/QUOTE]It doesn't matter what a team labels their pitchers. If a pitcher comes into a save situation, regardless of being designated the "closer", the "setup man", or just the "middle relief guy", then he shall be in a save situation.

You'll see setup guys get saves in certain situations when the closer has pitched on 2 or 3 consecutive days and need rest.

In those times when Saito was "resting", Broxton came into 8 save situations and blew 6 of them.

That doesn't mean that Broxton can't be an effective closer. One thing I have noticed through the years is that some pitchers can close and some can't. I've seen many great middle relievers get thrown into the closer role and fall on their face. You really can't predict how a pitcher will react to it until they are closing.

I guess I can give a short answer to your question:

They charge setup men with a blown save when they are in a save situation.

By the context of your question, sounds like you assume setup men are incapable of being in a save situation. [/QUOTE]Sounds like your BS is overflowing as usual.

Broxton had Six Blown saves last year.

only ONE came in a true 9th inning save situation where Saito would have normally pitched.

That would be 7/22 vs NYM

So he was 2-3 in saves that closers normally appear in.

Here's the link:

****://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7613/gamelog; [/QUOTE]I'm not feeding you a line of BS. Does it really matter if Broxton comes into a save situation in the 8th or 9th inning? Either way, if it's a save situation, he clearly blew 6 out 8. That's not "BS". That's the truth. I wouldn't waste my time bullshitting you.

In baseball statistics, the term save (abbreviated SV) is used to indicate the successful maintenance of a lead by a relief pitcher, usually the closer, until the end of the game. A save is a statistic credited to a relief pitcher, as set forth in Rule 10.19 of the Rules of Baseball. That rule states

The official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:

(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;

(2) He is not the winning pitcher;

(3) He is credited with at least a third of an inning pitched; and

(4) He satisfies one of the following conditions:

(a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches at least one inning;

(b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat or on deck; or

(c) He pitches for at least three innings.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:00 pm

You're my hero Ferris!!

So when Broxton becomes closer someday, I can count on 31.25% save conversions as you have implied in your posts.

I c an also count on him coming in and getting most of his saves in 2 and 3 inning stints, which you have also implied matter when someone is actually the closer.

You're the man!! No wonder you're too good for the main!

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:15 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

You're my hero Ferris!!

So when Broxton becomes closer someday, I can count on 31.25% save conversions as you have implied in your posts.

I c an also count on him coming in and getting most of his saves in 2 and 3 inning stints, which you have also implied matter when someone is actually the closer.

You're the man!! No wonder you're too good for the main! Ed Rooney, I think Broxton will be a fine closer someday. I am just saying it's not as automatic as you think that he will be successful. He certainly has all the talent, he's one helluva setup guy. And he has a chance to be a dominant closer if he has the mentality for it. We really won't know until he gets his shot.

I'm not sure why you're so upset. You've got your opinion, I've got mine.

Side note: Ferris Bueller's Day Off is one of my all-time favs.

Come to think of it, I need a day off.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:11 am

spyhunter- maybe i read the bet wrong- but i think it is crazys points vs gly points. if bell and broxton close- gly will beat crazy in saves era whip. he can easily put in other relief pitchers to do this. i love pedro and peavy- but not sold on the rest of crazys staff. i have just seen this gly act 1 too many times to bet against him in this. one thing i will say to gly- if ugla is bad- fields and cust are worse. i am pretty sure fields starts in 3a- but crede getting traded is still possible- the trade will result in roberts to pale hose.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:31 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

spyhunter- maybe i read the bet wrong- but i think it is crazys points vs gly points. if bell and broxton close- gly will beat crazy in saves era whip. he can easily put in other relief pitchers to do this. i love pedro and peavy- but not sold on the rest of crazys staff. i have just seen this gly act 1 too many times to bet against him in this. one thing i will say to gly- if ugla is bad- fields and cust are worse. i am pretty sure fields starts in 3a- but crede getting traded is still possible- the trade will result in roberts to pale hose. First of all, headhunters, don't go to the dark side on me How in the world will GLY work this out? Of course, miracles could happen, Meche could be better than Peavy, or Kennedy may have a 3.0 ERA but it is likely? Nope, I give Crazy the huge lead in this one. Not that I don't love betting the come, but GLY staff is all that - no solid base to depend on when Cueto or Kennedy gives up 8 runs in 2 innings... As for the closer situation, I actually like Accardo better than Ryan this year, so score 1 pitcher for GLY, but that is it. Crazy should run up much more saves imho.

Of course, pitching staffs are the most variable part of Fantasy Baseball. Is the bet for what the initial staff does? or is it end of season points for whatever happens? In the latter case, GLY would still need a miracle but slightly less of one.

Spy

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:27 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

spyhunter- maybe i read the bet wrong- but i think it is crazys points vs gly points. if bell and broxton close- gly will beat crazy in saves era whip. he can easily put in other relief pitchers to do this. i love pedro and peavy- but not sold on the rest of crazys staff. i have just seen this gly act 1 too many times to bet against him in this. one thing i will say to gly- if ugla is bad- fields and cust are worse. i am pretty sure fields starts in 3a- but crede getting traded is still possible- the trade will result in roberts to pale hose. Overall pitching points vs. overall pitching points.

I asked GLY to make the same bet (free entry into WTA satellite next year) for who's higher in the standings, and he declined.

GLY has helped me a great deal with strategy and player evaluations post-Feb. 19th draft. I have nothing but respect for him. I still think I have the better pitching and team for that matter in this particular league and I hope to prove it.

I think it's entirely possible that I'm underestimating him, I just have confidence in my team and my in-season management.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:51 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

spyhunter- maybe i read the bet wrong- but i think it is crazys points vs gly points. if bell and broxton close- gly will beat crazy in saves era whip. he can easily put in other relief pitchers to do this. i love pedro and peavy- but not sold on the rest of crazys staff. i have just seen this gly act 1 too many times to bet against him in this. one thing i will say to gly- if ugla is bad- fields and cust are worse. i am pretty sure fields starts in 3a- but crede getting traded is still possible- the trade will result in roberts to pale hose. Overall pitching points vs. overall pitching points.

I asked GLY to make the same bet (free entry into WTA satellite next year) for who's higher in the standings, and he declined.

GLY has helped me a great deal with strategy and player evaluations post-Feb. 19th draft. I have nothing but respect for him. I still think I have the better pitching and team for that matter in this particular league and I hope to prove it.

I think it's entirely possible that I'm underestimating him, I just have confidence in my team and my in-season management. [/QUOTE]Patrick is very good at projecting break out guys- something that should help you Crazy one.