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Just finished the SCL draft. Great time and lots of good owners. Tommorrow I'll be going over my team and strategy.



Forget the mock drafts sign up for some early satellites. Lots of surprises.

Definitely some surprises Jim!



I have glanced again and again at our roster and while I see holes I see lots of good things as well. Gonna be interesting to see how things play out over the next two months and some teams get a lot stronger and some get a lot weaker.

Since we didn't announce the team owners or the draft order for this satellite league, I don't think it would hurt to post the early rounds of this draft. This league consists of a lot of veteran NFBC owners, so the content is good. Here's the first few rounds from last night's draft, a $350 league that rewards $1800 for first and $1300 to second and third place finishers.



FIRST ROUND:

1. Hanley Ramirez

2. Alex Rodriguez

3. Albert Pujols

4. Jose Reyes

5. David Wright

6. Miguel Cabrera

7. Ian Kinsler

8. Grady Sizemore

9. Ryan Braun

10. Mark Teixeira

11. Evan Longoria

12. Jimmy Rollins

13. Josh Hamilton

14. Ryan Howard

15. Matt Holliday



SECOND ROUND:

16. Carl Crawford

17. Carlos Lee

18. Dustin Pedroia

19. Alfonso Soriano

20. B.J. Upton

21. Carlos Beltran

22. Brandon Phillips

23. Lance Berkman

24. Prince Fielder

25. Justin Morneau

26. Matt Kemp

27. Chase Utley

28. Nick Markakis

29. Carlos Quentin

30. Ichiro Suzuki



THIRD ROUND:

31. Aramis Ramirez

32. Manny Ramirez

33. Johan Santana

34. Alex Rios

35. Jacoby Ellsbury

36. Shane Victorino

37. Alexei Ramirez

38. Brian Roberts

39. CC Sabathia

40. Tim Lincecum

41. Adrian Gonzalez

42. David Ortiz

43. Kevin Youkilis

44. Rafael Furcal

45. Jason Bay



FOURTH ROUND:

46. Russell Martin

47. Cole Hamels

48. Brandon Webb

49. Vladimir Guerrero

50. Jake Peavy

51. Curtis Granderson

52. Garrett Atkins

53. Brian McCann

54. Joe Mauer

55. Corey Hart

56. Chris Davis

57. Nate McLouth

58. Hunter Pence

59. Geovanny Soto

60. Dan Uggla



FIFTH ROUND:

61. Derek Jeter

62. Dan Haren

63. J.J. Hardy

64. Carlos Pena

65. Jonathan Papelbon

66. Roy Halladay

67. Joey Votto

68. Chipper Jones

69. Brad Lidge

70. Joe Nathan

71. Jay Bruce

72. Cliff Lee

73. Mariano Rivera

74. Chone Figgins

75. Derrek Lee



SIXTH ROUND:

76. Victor Martinez

77. Joakim Soria

78. Bobby Abreu

79. Aubrey Huff

80. Andre Ethier

81. Magglio Ordonez

82. Ryan Ludwick

83. Stephen Drew

84. Troy Tulowitzki

85. Francisco Rodriguez

86. Josh Beckett

87. Francisco Liriano

88. Robinson Cano

89. Jonathan Broxton

90. Jermaine Dye



SEVENTH ROUND

91. Vernon Wells

92. Michael Young

93. Chad Billingsley

94. Ervin Santana

95. Yovani Gallardo

96. Jhonny Peralta

97. John Lackey

98. Roy Oswalt

99. James Shields

100. Adam Dunn

101. Howie Kendrick

102. A.J. Burnett

103. Edinson Volquez

104. Torii Hunter

105. Bobby Jenks



EIGHTH ROUND

106. Johnny Damon

107. Adrian Beltre

108. Lastings Milledge

109. Ryan Doumit

110. Joba Chamberlain

111. Jon Lester

112. Jose Valverde

113. Rich Harden

114. Felix Hernandez

115. Daisuke Matsuzaka

116. Kerry Wood

117. Chris Young

118. Jayson Werth

119. Scott Kazmir

120. James Loney



NINTH ROUND

121. Adam Wainwright

122. Willy Taveras

123. Jorge Cantu

124. Ricky Nolasco

125. Conor Jackson

126. Ryan Dempster

127. Brad Hawpe

128. Carlos Delgado

129. Carlos Gomez

130. Brian Fuentes

131. Mike Napoli

132. Raul Ibanez

133. Ryan Zimmerman

134. Placido Polanco

135. Carlos Guillen



TENTH ROUND

136. Miguel Tejada

137. Nelson Cruz

138. Carlos Marmol

139. Javier Vazquez

140. B.J. Ryan

141. Francisco Cordero

142. Zack Greinke

143. Alex Gordon

144. Delmon Young

145. Brian Wilson

146. Matt Cain

147. Matt Capps

148. Matt Wieters

149. Brandon Morrow

150. Milton Bradley



[ January 08, 2009, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

nice to see what happens when the lights go on- tough group.

A few surprises here...

No pitchers until the 3rd, when the Big (especially in CC's case)3 all went: Johan, CC and then Lincecum.



Kinsler at 7 is unexpected.

I thought real satelite leagues didnt start til February? I have been doing mocks like crazy..lol....I would be interested if there is another one soon

must have been BIG lights - I think a few caught some glare

Originally posted by 76erfan:

I thought real satelite leagues didnt start til February? I have been doing mocks like crazy..lol....I would be interested if there is another one soon Private, Invitational League

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

must have been BIG lights - I think a few caught some glare Wow! Some "reaching" going on!!!

Originally posted by Dak:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

must have been BIG lights - I think a few caught some glare Wow! Some "reaching" going on!!! [/QUOTE]Tell that to the guy who took Hamilton at 52 last year when his ADP was 89 or Dustin Pedroia at 99 when his ADP was 189. How do you not "reach" when you draft 3 months before the season. As I said earlier, a lot of teams will be real happy over the next couple months and a lot will be upset about a few picks, but all in all hard to call anything a reach in January.

Originally posted by 76erfan:

I thought real satelite leagues didnt start til February? I have been doing mocks like crazy..lol....I would be interested if there is another one soon Yes, we don't have any satellite leagues planned until February, but I am getting requests from some owners to host a few earlier than that. If anyone wants to do a $125 satellite league earlier than we have planned, we can do it. I'll start another thread to see if anyone is interested and if so we can do it. Thanks.

Just some quick hits in comparison to the "Free" Champions draft and this one to show where some movement took place:



1st rd basically the same players except Longoria and Holliday replace Beltran and Pedroia. Kinsler the upward mover from 12 to 7 and Tex got a 3 spot Yankee boost.



Biggest movers in terms of overall selection from one draft to another that I caught:



Andre Ethier +56

Chone Figgins +44

JJ Hardy +38

Cliff Lee +37

Jon Broxton +39

Chris Davis +27

Rafael Furcal +22

Carlos Pena +20

Jay Bruce +14

Hunter Pence +12

David Ortiz +10



Magglio Ordonez -38

Derrick Lee -27

Vlad Guerrero -20

Bobby Abreu -15

Ryan Ludwick -22

Robinson Cano -21

Stephen Drew -15

Victor Martinez -15

Some players are "reaches" Jan thru Dec!!

An early draft DOES make things interesting, however! People will see Kinsler and Longoria in the 1st rd, and because it is THE Shawn Childs League, these two will move up on cheat sheets and deflate values. Good or bad, each individual must decide on risk/reward in 1st rd or two. IMHO

I smell Pt Loma all over that Ethier pick



Of which I tip my hat to - it seems the dodgers were behind you by a couple of years



[ January 07, 2009, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]

Originally posted by Quahogs:

I smell Pt Loma all over that Ethier pick



Of which I tip my hat to - it seems the dodgers were behind you by a couple of years guess again.

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

Just some quick hits in comparison to the "Free" Champions draft and this one to show where some movement took place:



1st rd basically the same players except Longoria and Holliday replace Beltran and Pedroia. Kinsler the upward mover from 12 to 7 and Tex got a 3 spot Yankee boost.



Biggest movers in terms of overall selection from one draft to another that I caught:



Andre Ethier +56

Chone Figgins +44

JJ Hardy +38

Cliff Lee +37

Jon Broxton +39

Chris Davis +27

Rafael Furcal +22

Carlos Pena +20

Jay Bruce +14

Hunter Pence +12

David Ortiz +10



Magglio Ordonez -38

Derrick Lee -27

Vlad Guerrero -20

Bobby Abreu -15

Ryan Ludwick -22

Robinson Cano -21

Stephen Drew -15

Victor Martinez -15 Nice work Ryan, and thanks.



The Chris Davis tout express keeps on moving. Someone will draft him in the 2nd by March.

Thanks Emory,



At a quick glance the first possible guy that could take a hit is Broxton if Hoffman accepts the Dodgers 1 year deal that is on the table. He obviously doesn't want to leave the West Coast and his wife and three kids at this point in his career if he can help it. It will be interesting if any of the other California teams jump in on this.

Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

I smell Pt Loma all over that Ethier pick



Of which I tip my hat to - it seems the dodgers were behind you by a couple of years guess again. [/QUOTE]Mrs Andre Ethier '09?



[ January 07, 2009, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]

Originally posted by Quahogs:

I smell Pt Loma all over that Ethier pick



Of which I tip my hat to - it seems the dodgers were behind you by a couple of years Yes, the Dodgers seem to have had a mental block when it came to outfielders.



But the Ethier train has a new captain, I'm just riding in the middle car now.

Originally posted by Kimo:

Just finished the SCL draft. Great time and lots of good owners. Tommorrow I'll be going over my team and strategy.



Forget the mock drafts sign up for some early satellites. Lots of surprises. It was fun to get started with the draft last night. Up all night studying the results.



My Strategy - I punted K's and Wins. I went with an reliever team.



Why? I just want to get into the money. Top 3 teams get money back and a free entry towards next season. In January, you can find some relievers and closers late in the draft.



My first six picks went towards offense.



Strategy - Wanted to draft established MLB players that had a high average with power and could steal bases. By punting K's and Wins, I need 60+ points from my offense.



My picks



1) Holladay

2) Crawford

3) Bay

4) Martin

5) Derek Lee

6) V. Martinez



I'm happy with my first six picks. I tried to draft players that last a little value from last year. I think I took care of batting average and stolen bases. Little bit down on the power.



When you guys get a chance, let me what you think of punting two categories and trying to finish in the money of a league. I definitely will not work overall in the main event but for an individual league, in January, might get me in the money.



In a couple days, I'll go over my next six picks with a strategy of my offense and some of my reliever picks.

Thanks for posting the results Greg...quite interesting to see. In the first round, there will be some serious reaches this year as there are really only 8-9 sure fire first rounders. So truth be told, it is tough to be hypercritical of any of the first round picks. Rather it is more of a personal preference thing.



Kinsler: His pro-rated 2008 numbers look great, but over some of the sure things like Howards' 40hr and 130 rbi, Siizemore's 25-25?



Some 2nd round surprises to me: Markakis quietly put together a good season last year...but quiet is the operative word. Kemp. Ichiro...again an aging sppedster whose numbers are on decline on a team on the decline



3rd: Furcal. I know the guy had a great 6 weks but with a back injury and an inconsistent long term track record. Manny surprised he lasted



4th rd: Grandy surprised he lasted. Guerrero...while I am usually against aging superstars, I feel like even his 08 #s justify higher pick.



5th : Jeter??? why? Ditto Figgins who I had to bench for last month last season he was so useless.

OK HERE IS ONE TEAM

1 Reyes

2 Utley

3 Rios

4 McLouth

5 C Pena

6 Liriano

7 Ervin Santana

8 Chris Yong Ariz

9 Nolasco

10 Capps

11 Iannetta

12 F Francisco

13 Blaylock

14 B Myers

15 P Sandoval

16 Ty Wigginton

17 F Carmona

18 A Iwamura

19 Ryan Church

20 Laird

21 F Lewis

22 FUKUDOME

23 Grant Balfour

24 Anthony Reyes

25 Erick Aybar

26 D Purcey

27 M Izturis

28 C Izturis

29 Edwin Jackson

30 T Buck

I like the team and should have plenty of speed .

Utley could be great value if he is ready or even a month late.Really like my starters especially my big three Liriano,Santana,and Nolasco or three can go 15 win's and 200 k's.Didnt get stud closers but Capps and Francisco hopefully will keep me in the middle of the pack in saves.I also realize im low on homer's but rbi's and run's should be good.

Any opinon's go ahead.

I like your team Eddie. Power might not be a big issue. Pitching has question marks, but who's doesn't? Solid draft.

16-21 I think you did real well. Nice.

Eddie,



You cornered the market on Itzuris.



I like the 20-30 round pitching draft picks of E Jack, Purcey, Balfour Reyes. Balfour could end up getting you 8-12 saves

Eddie,

Love the power/speed guys you took in the first few rounds. Also like how you got Liriano in the 6th to anchor the staff. Brett Myers in the 14th is crazy value. People need to look at his 2nd half last year and realize that he is an unrestricted free agent after the season. Nice pick. Overall, like the team but the Utley situations is scary. I took him in the Champions draft in the middle of 2nd a few weeks ago. Too hard to pass up, he is a warrior and I think he'll be close by Openeing Day.