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We currently have five Slow Drafts going on right now and one is almost complete and the others are going at a pace of 2-4 rounds per day. I'll mix in a few early results from the various slow drafts for some MB chatter without showcasing which league is which. This is good info for those who are participating and for those who aren't. Here's a couple of early rounds from two leagues and I'll add another league or two shortly.



FIRST ROUND

1. Hanley Ramirez

2. Alex Rodriguez

3. Albert Pujols

4. Jose Reyes

5. David Wright

6. Jimmy Rollins

7. Grady Sizemore

8. Ryan Braun

9. Mark Teixeira

10. Ian Kinsler

11. Miguel Cabrera

12. Ryan Howard

13. Carlos Lee

14. Matt Holliday

15. Josh Hamilton



SECOND ROUND

16. Tim Lincecum

17. Evan Longoria

18. Dustin Pedroia

19. Alfonso Soriano

20. B.J. Upton

21. Lance Berkman

22. Prince Fielder

23. Chase Utley

24. Carl Crawford

25. Johan Santana

26. Carlos Beltran

27. Jason Bay

28. Brandon Phillips

29. Matt Kemp

30. Justin Morneau



THIRD ROUND

31. Aramis Ramirez

32. Ichiro Suzuki

33. Nick Markakis

34. Adrian Gonzalez

35. Brian Roberts

36. Alex Rios

37. Alexei Ramirez

38. Nate McLouth

39. Manny Ramirez

40. Shane Victorino

41. Curtis Granderson

42. Jacoby Ellsbury

43. Brian McCann

44. Rafael Furcal

45. Vladimir Guerrero



FOURTH ROUND

46. CC Sabathia

47. Chris Davis

48. Corey Hart

49. Russell Martin

50. Carlos Quentin

51. Kevin Youkilis

52. Cole Hamels

53. Brandon Webb

54. Jay Bruce

55. Magglio Ordonez

56. David Ortiz

57. Aubrey Huff

58. Jonathan Papelbon

59. Joe Mauer

60. Dan Haren



FIFTH ROUND

61. Geovany Soto

62. Brad Lidge

63. Hunter Pence

64. Joey Votto

65. Victor Martinez

66. Garrett Atkins

67. Carlos Pena

68. Jake Peavy

69. Francisco Rodriguez

70. Ryan Doumit

71. Stephen Drew

72. Joe Nathan

73. Roy Halladay

74. Ervin Santana

75. Mariano Rivera



SIXTH ROUND

76. Troy Tulowitzki

77. Francisco Liriano

78. Derek Jeter

79. Michael Young

80. Chipper Jones

81. Jhonny Peralta

82. Bobby Abreu

83. Jermaine Dye

84. Joakim Soria

85. Derrek Lee

86. Vernon Wells

87. Jose Valverde

88. Andre Ethier

89. Dan Uggla

90. Johnny Damon



[ January 15, 2009, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Here's another one to nibble on:



FIRST ROUND

1. Hanley Ramirez

2. Alex Rodriguez

3. Jose Reyes

4. Albert Pujols

5. David Wright

6. Miguel Cabrera

7. Ryan Braun

8. Jimmy Rollins

9. Grady Sizemore

10. Ryan Howard

11. Ian Kinsler

12. Josh Hamilton

13. Mark Teixeira

14. Matt Holliday

15. Dustin Pedroia



SECOND ROUND

16. Carlos Lee

17. B.J. Upton

18. Chase Utley

19. Johan Santana

20. Carlos Quentin

21. Carl Crawford

22. Lance Berkman

23. Manny Ramirez

24. Carlos Beltran

25. Alfonso Soriano

26. Evan Longoria

27. Matt Kemp

28. Justin Morneau

29. Nick Markakis

30. Brandon Phillips



THIRD ROUND

31. Prince Fielder

32. Alex Rios

33. Aramis Ramirez

34. Vladimir Guerrero

35. Alexei Ramirez

36. Ichiro Suzuki

37. Jason Bay

38. Brian Roberts

39. Tim Lincecum

40. CC Sabathia

41. Adrian Gonzalez

42. Jacoby Ellsbury

43. Russell Martin

44. Chris Davis

45. Curtis Granderson



FOURTH ROUND

46. Rafael Furcal

47. Cole Hamels

48. Shane Victorino

49. Brian McCann

50. Nate McLouth

51. Kevin Youkilis

52. Jake Peavy

53. Roy Halladay

54. Joe Mauer

55. Brandon Webb

56. David Ortiz

57. Corey Hart

58. Hunter Pence

59. Magglio Ordonez

60. Geovany Soto



FIFTH ROUND

61. Victor Martinez

62. Garrett Atkins

63. Jonathan Papelbon

64. Dan Haren

65. Bobby Abreu

66. Adam Dunn

67. Joey Votto

68. Roy Oswalt

69. Brad Lidge

70. Stephen Drew

71. Ryan Ludwick

72. Joe Nathan

73. Josh Beckett

74. Chipper Jones

75. Ervin Santana



SIXTH ROUND

76. Jermaine Dye

77. Dan Uggla

78. Derek Jeter

79. Derrek Lee

80. Chad Billingsley

81. Mariano Rivera

82. Carlos Pena

83. Aubrey Huff

84. James Shields

85. Michael Young

86. John Lackey

87. Robinson Cano

88. Francisco Liriano

89. Troy Tulowitzki

90. Scott Kazmir



[ January 15, 2009, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Here's the first six rounds of another NFBC Slow Draft to nibble on:



FIRST ROUND

1. Hanley Ramirez

2. Alex Rodriguez

3. Jose Reyes

4. Albert Pujols

5. David Wright

6. Miguel Cabrera

7. Grady Sizemore

8. Ian Kinsler

9. Mark Teixeira

10. Ryan Braun

11. Josh Hamilton

12. Evan Longoria

13. Jimmy Rollins

14. Carlos Beltran

15. Chase Utley



SECOND ROUND

16. Ryan Howard

17. Carlos Quentin

18. Prince Fielder

19. B.J. Upton

20. Alfonso Soriano

21. Carl Crawford

22. Dustin Pedroia

23. Brandon Phillips

24. Carlos Lee

25. Matt Holliday

26. Matt Kemp

27. Johan Santana

28. Brian Roberts

29. Tim Lincecum

30. Lance Berkman



THIRD ROUND

31. Aramis Ramirez

32. Rafael Furcal

33. Manny Ramirez

34. Justin Morneau

35. Alexei Ramirez

36. Alex Rios

37. Jason Bay

38. CC Sabathia

39. Brian McCann

40. Shane Victorino

41. Kevin Youkilis

42. Nate McLouth

43. Curtis Granderson

44. Jacoby Ellsbury

45. Ichiro Suzuki



FOURTH ROUND

46. Chris Davis

47. Adrian Gonzalez

48. Joe Mauer

49. Cole Hamels

50. Russell Martin

51. Joey Votto

52. Nick Markakis

53. Vladimir Guerrero

54. Geovany Soto

55. Victor Martinez

56. Stephen Drew

57. Dan Uggla

58. Corey Hart

59. Brandon Webb

60. Roy Halladay



FIFTH ROUND

61. Jake Peavy

62. Jonathan Papelbon

63. Chipper Jones

64. Joe Nathan

65. David Ortiz

66. Dan Haren

67. Bobby Abreu

68. Magglio Ordonez

69. Ervin Santana

70. Francisco Rodriguez

71. Derek Jeter

72. Ryan Doumit

73. Garrett Atkins

74. Brad Lidge

75. Derrek Lee



SIXTH ROUND

76. Cliff Lee

77. Chad Billingsley

78. Yovani Gallardo

79. Joakim Soria

80. Hunter Pence

81. Francisco Liriano

82. J.J. Hardy

83. Rich Harden

84. Joba Chamberlain

85. John Lackey

86. Josh Beckett

87. Roy Oswalt

88. Vernon Wells

89. Mariano Rivera

90. Chone Figgins



Thoughts on any of these drafts???



[ January 16, 2009, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

2006 22/23? of 25 Arod first pick

2007 27 of 28 Pujols first pick

2008 30 of 30 plus every single satellite save one Arod first pick

2009 I know it’s very early , but Hanley first pick 3 of 3. Will anyone draw outside the lines?





Russel,

-Navel Lint

Originally posted by rucrew2:

2006 22/23? of 25 Arod first pick

2007 27 of 28 Pujols first pick

2008 30 of 30 plus every single satellite save one Arod first pick

2009 I know it’s very early , but Hanley first pick 3 of 3. Will anyone draw outside the lines?





Russel,

-Navel Lint Agreed, he's going first in a lot of leagues right now. I did, however, post the Shawn Childs League results a few weeks back and in that one Alex Rodriguez went first, with Hanley going second. So at least one owner so far has gone in a different direction with that first pick.

These drafts are great Greg! A few things jump out at me. Furcal and Vmart are getting a lot of love this year! Also the end of the 1st to mid 3rd round is way up in the air yet!



I feel VMart will have a good year but he has to have a .280 20 85 line or better to be taken in the top 90. We know he can hit .300 20 95 but after last year I have him at .285 14 80, still very solid for a catcher but who knows what VMart your going to get.



Furcal I just don't get, I'm very down on him this year. Am I off by thinking a year of 125 Games Avg,R,HR,RBI,SB of .278, 83, 8, 49, 26?

I know you won't be posting our first 6 rounds for at least 3 more days. We can't get out of the 3rd round now in our 3rd day.

Carlos Quentin going 16th in one draft and 50th in another???



I don't think I have EVER seen such a big difference for one player taken in the first 5 rounds of any football (or baseball) draft.



[ January 16, 2009, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

Greg,



Keep an eye on our league - we're almost to rd 6! Should only be 2 more days now.



Got any data yet on rds 7-12??

Originally posted by rkulaski:

Greg,



Keep an eye on our league - we're almost to rd 6! Should only be 2 more days now.



Got any data yet on rds 7-12?? You are optimistic. Just don't bring up the issue to Ed or he'll accuse you of being a computer nerd with no life.

Originally posted by rkulaski:

Greg,



Keep an eye on our league - we're almost to rd 6! Should only be 2 more days now.



Got any data yet on rds 7-12?? Why? so you can draft off that?

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:

Greg,



Keep an eye on our league - we're almost to rd 6! Should only be 2 more days now.



Got any data yet on rds 7-12?? Why? so you can draft off that? [/QUOTE]Ahh, you're on to me. So what brings you to this thread?

Hurry up Greg, we're almost done with rd 6! (kidding)

I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.



His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.



Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks. Throw in the fact Billy Beane's A's do not have a run-happy philosophy as everyone knows. Away from Coors he's not a power guy, his average is nothing special and he probably won't steal over 20 with the A's.



I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.



Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round?



[ January 17, 2009, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.



His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.



Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.



I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.



Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home?

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.



His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.



Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.



I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.



Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4.

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.



His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.



Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.



I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.



Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy?

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by rkulaski:

Greg,



Keep an eye on our league - we're almost to rd 6! Should only be 2 more days now.



Got any data yet on rds 7-12?? You are optimistic. Just don't bring up the issue to Ed or he'll accuse you of being a computer nerd with no life. [/QUOTE]Yes, he will..... People that think the slow draft will get done in 2 days have no life. Is that you? Seems so.

Yes, he will..... People that think the slow draft will get done in 2 days have no life. Is that you? Seems so.



I think there are different level of commitments on these slow draft. I know next year some leagues will turn into invitation only.



With comments like this, your name might bring the "avoid tag on it". It's one thing to have different levels of commitments but to be insulted along the way doesn't sound like a reason to join a league with you name attached to it.



[ January 17, 2009, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Yes, he will..... People that think the slow draft will get done in 2 days have no life. Is that you? Seems so.



I think there are different level of commitments on these slow draft. I know next year some leagues will turn into invitation only.



With comments like this, your name might bring the "avoid tag on it". It's one thing to have different levels of commitments but to be insulted along the way doesn't sound like a reason to join a league with you name attached to it. Correct, diff level of commitments indeed. I could care less if "my name" was negatively looked at my some on these boards. There is more behind his post and my reply than you know of.



But hey, if me taking about 30-60 mins to make a pick will be looked negatively by others, cool with me. I dont look to join the private leagues by invitation only anyway. I will just join the public ones that are open to all contestants and be just fine with that.



[ January 17, 2009, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Bull Pen Pugs ]

Originally posted by Bull Pen Pugs:

But hey, if me taking about 30-60 mins to make a pick will be looked negatively by others, cool with me. 30-60 min seems reasonable to me. if someone is getting upset with you because of that, they need to chill or join a regular draft.

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I still can't believe Holliday's still going in the first round.



His 162 game average away from Coors for his career is .280-20-85-95 runs - 18 steals.



Now he's in a new league facing pitchers he's never faced before, hitting in one of the league's best pitcher parks.



I don't think I'd draft him ahead of Nate McClouth who's going in the 3rd/4th rounds.



Is there anyone else out there who is baffled by people who draft Holliday in the 1st round? So you are ok with McCluth hitting .265 at home? [/QUOTE]I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. [/QUOTE]I smell a bet coming, you got money to back that up, Crazy? [/QUOTE]Do I think it will happen? Yes. Would I place an even bet on it? No, that wouldn't be smart especially when I should be getting 3/1 odds that said player overtakes Holliday in 4 out of 5 cats. Minimum 150 games played between each player.

Originally posted by Bull Pen Pugs:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

[qb] Yes, he will..... People that think the slow draft will get done in 2 days have no life. Is that you? Seems so.





But hey, if me taking about 30-60 mins to make a pick will be looked negatively by others, cool with me. R2 P11 Edward Nolan 6h 8m 37s



Probably not the 30-60 minutes your leaguemates were hoping for.

He meant 30-60 minutes from when he bothered checking in...c'mon!



That was a given!



~Lance

I think people do need to realize that these are called slow drafts for a reason and if you want more immediacy then maybe the higher priced ones are better for you. The first $325 Slow Draft was finished in less than 9 days because the owners there had two guys pushing it along and the group really enjoyed getting together in the chat room and conversing. This second $325 league is almost through Round 27 in less than a week and will be done in a couple of days.



The $250 that was started almost the same time is in Round 20 and the pair of $125's aren't through Round 12. I understand it can be frustrating to wait hours for a pick but even at two rounds per day these drafts will be done by the end of January. And some of these drafts pick up in the later rounds as folks get a feel for the process and enjoy jumping into the chat rooms to talk baseball.



So far so good and MDC.com has a real nice process for these. Good luck all and enjoy the journey as it's a long ride that's filled with a lot of good information.

Okay, since everyone has been good, here's a fourth set of draft results from the Slow Leagues through Round 6:



FIRST ROUND

1. Alex Rodriguez

2. Hanley Ramirez

3. Jose Reyes

4. Albert Pujols

5. David Wright

6. Miguel Cabrera

7. Grady Sizemore

8. Ryan Braun

9. Ryan Howard

10. Jimmy Rollins

11. Mark Teixeira

12. Ian Kinsler

13. Josh Hamilton

14. Evan Longoria

15. Dustin Pedroia



SECOND ROUND

16. Carlos Lee

17. Matt Holliday

18. B.J. Upton

19. Carl Crawford

20. Chase Utley

21. Alfonso Soriano

22. Carlos Beltran

23. Justin Morneau

24. Lance Berkman

25. Brandon Phillips

26. Matt Kemp

27. Prince Fielder

28. Johan Santana

29. Tim Lincecum

30. Brian Roberts



THIRD ROUND

31. Nick Markakis

32. Alex Rios

33. Alexei Ramirez

34. Ichiro Suzuki

35. Jason Bay

36. Nate McLouth

37. Manny Ramirez

38. CC Sabathia

39. Aramis Ramirez

40. Carlos Quentin

41. Jacoby Ellsbury

42. Shane Victorino

43. Adrian Gonzalez

44. Brandon Webb

45. Curtis Granderson



FOURTH ROUND

46. Vladimir Guerrero

47. Cole Hamels

48. Brian McCann

49. Kevin Youkilis

50. Russell Martin

51. Dan Haren

52. Josh Beckett

53. Roy Halladay

54. Rafael Furcal

55. Magglio Ordonez

56. Joe Mauer

57. David Ortiz

58. Joey Votto

59. Jonathan Papelbon

60. Corey Hart



FIFTH ROUND

61. Hunter Pence

62. Geovany Soto

63. Jake Peavy

64. Victor Martinez

65. Brad Lidge

66. Chipper Jones

67. Joe Nathan

68. Bobby Abreu

69. Dan Uggla

70. Chris Davis

71. Cliff Lee

72. Garrett Atkins

73. Joakim Soria

74. Francisco Rodriguez

75. Ervin Santana



SIXTH ROUND

76. Stephen Drew

77. Derek Jeter

78. Francisco Liriano

79. J.J. Hardy

80. Aubrey Huff

81. Derrek Lee

82. Scott Kazmir

83. Johnny Damon

84. Mariano Rivera

85. James Shields

86. Troy Tulowitzki

87. Chad Billingsley

88. B.J. Ryan

89. Jon Lester

90. Vernon Wells



[ January 18, 2009, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]