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I know this gets to be a big file and tough to look at, but I'll try to split it up a little for folks to see what others picked for their KDS. It may not mean anything to some folks, but it might be fun reading for others. Anyway, here's the first batch of KDS preferences:



1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,11,12

1,2,3,4,8,9,10,7,6,5,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,15,13,14,11,12,7,8,9

4,6,8,7,9,10,3,5,2,1,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

2,3,1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,6,7,3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,4,5

6,7,8,9,5,10,1,2,3,4,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,7,6,5,9,8,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,6,7,8,9,3,5,4,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,8,4,14,15,1,2,13,5,6,9,10,12,11,7

1,2,3,6,7,8,9,4,5,10,15,14,13,12,11

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,14,15,12,11,10

1,2,3,4,10,11,5,12,6,7,8,9,13,14,15

5,6,4,1,7,2,3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,14

7,4,8,3,2,6,1,5,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,13,14,15

1,2,5,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,10,8,6,4,3

8,7,6,9,5,10,1,2,3,4,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,5,6,7,4,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

7,6,1,5,2,4,3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,9,8,7,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,7,8,9,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,4,3,2,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,7,6,5,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8

8,9,10,7,4,11,1,3,2,12,13,6,5,14,15

12,14,13,15,1,8,7,6,2,3,4,10,9,5,11

1,2,5,6,7,11,12,3,4,8,9,10,13,14,15

3,4,5,6,7,8,9,2,10,12,13,11,14,1,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,15,14,10,11,12,13

1,2,3,4,5,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6

4,3,1,2,14,13,12,10,9,7,6,5,8,11,15

5,4,6,7,8,9,3,2,10,11,12,13,14,15,1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,2,5,6,7,1,10,9,8,11,12,13,14,15

3,2,1,4,7,8,9,10,5,6,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,6,7,8,9,10,13,14,15,11,12,3,4,5

1,2,3,4,11,6,12,9,5,7,8,10,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,14

1,2,8,7,6,9,3,5,4,15,14,10,13,12,11

3,4,2,1,8,7,9,6,5,10,15,14,13,12,11

6,7,8,9,10,11,5,12,4,3,2,13,14,15,1

8,3,2,4,7,1,6,12,11,10,9,13,14,15,5

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,14,15,13,11,12

5,12,11,10,9,4,3,13,14,8,15,2,1,7,6

6,7,4,5,3,8,9,10,11,12,2,1,13,14,15

15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

1,5,4,3,2,6,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7

1,2,3,7,8,11,12,15,14,13,10,9,6,5,4

4,5,6,3,2,1,11,12,13,14,15,7,8,9,10

8,9,10,7,4,11,1,3,2,12,13,6,5,14,15

10,11,9,4,5,6,7,8,13,14,15,12,1,2,3

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,7,8,5,9,10,4,11,12,13,3,14,2,1,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7

1,2,3,4,5,7,6,11,10,13,9,8,12,14,15

15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,14

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8

1,2,5,6,8,9,7,10,11,12,4,3,15,14,13

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15,14,13,12

7,6,5,4,8,3,2,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,1

1,2,4,3,9,8,7,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,8,11,10,14,15,12,13,9,7,6,8,5,2,1

3,2,9,10,11,8,7,4,12,13,14,5,6,1,15

6,7,8,9,2,1,3,4,5,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,15,4,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,12,11

4,2,3,1,5,10,11,13,14,15,12,7,6,8,9

15,14,13,12,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,2,3,1,4

5,4,3,1,15,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,14,13,7,8,9,10,11,12

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,14

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,7,8,7,10,11,6,5,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,7,6,5,13,12,11,10,9,8,14,15

1,6,7,8,9,10,13,15,14,12,11,5,4,3,2

7,10,9,12,5,1,2,3,4,8,11,6,13,14,15

1,4,3,2,10,8,7,9,6,11,12,13,5,14,15

3,2,1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,12,11

5,4,3,1,15,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,15,14,13,12,5,6,11,10,9,8,7

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,14,13,7,8,9,10,11,12

7,6,5,4,3,2,1,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

9,8,5,2,1,3,4,6,7,10,11,12,13,14,15

2,1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,5,6,2,3,4,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,2,3,1,7,8,6,5,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,15,14,13,12,11,10

1,2,3,4,8,7,9,6,11,12,10,13,15,14,5

3,4,5,6,2,1,7,8,12,13,11,9,10,14,15

1,2,3,4,7,6,5,8,9,15,14,13,12,11,10

7,8,6,1,5,9,4,10,3,2,12,11,13,14,15

4,3,5,6,7,8,2,1,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

8,7,9,6,10,5,11,4,12,3,13,14,2,1,15

4,3,2,1,7,6,8,9,5,10,11,12,13,14,15

2,1,4,3,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5

6,7,8,9,5,10,11,12,13,14,4,3,15,2,1

7,8,6,9,5,10,4,11,3,12,2,13,1,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,11,9,10,12,13,14,15

4,7,3,2,1,5,8,6,9,13,12,11,14,15,10

1,4,3,2,6,7,5,8,9,10,11,15,14,12,13

9,8,2,1,5,6,7,10,3,4,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,15,14,13,6,7,8,5,12,9,10,11

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,12,11

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,13,14,15,12,11,10,9

4,3,2,10,8,7,11,1,12,5,6,13,9,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,14,15,12,13

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,15,14,13

8,9,10,11,12,7,13,6,5,4,3,14,15,1,2

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15,14,13,12

2,3,1,4,5,8,9,13,14,15,12,11,10,7,6

4,6,7,8,5,3,2,1,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,15,10,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14

4,3,7,6,2,5,1,11,12,13,14,15,10,9,8

1,2,3,4,8,9,5,6,7,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,14

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,14,15,10,12,11

8,7,9,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,5,4,3,2,1

7,6,5,1,2,3,4,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,2,3,13,14,15,4,1

3,2,1,4,5,13,14,15,12,11,6,10,7,9,8

2,3,4,5,6,1,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14

1,2,3,4,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5

1,2,3,7,8,6,9,5,10,4,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,5,6,1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,2,7,5,8,9,6,10,11,12,13,14,1,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5

6,7,8,9,5,4,3,2,1,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,14

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,12,11

11,7,10,9,13,12,8,6,5,14,4,3,2,1,15

5,6,1,3,2,4,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,6,8,7,2,1,5,9,10,11,12,14,15,13

3,2,4,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15,14,12,13

4,5,6,3,2,1,7,8,9,10,11,12,15,14,13

2,3,1,6,7,8,5,9,4,10,15,14,13,12,11

3,2,1,4,6,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,7,6,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,2,6,7,8,1,5,10,9,12,11,13,14,15

1,5,4,2,6,7,3,8,9,13,14,15,12,11,10

3,2,7,6,4,1,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,7,4,5,1,2,3,10,11,12,13,14,15,8,9

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,5,2,1,6,9,8,7,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,9,8,7,6,5,10,11,15,14,13,12

2,3,1,4,5,6,7,8,15,14,11,12,13,10,9

4,3,1,10,2,9,11,12,13,8,14,15,7,5,6

1,2,3,15,14,13,4,12,5,11,6,10,7,9,8

2,3,4,6,9,8,11,10,5,12,7,14,15,1,13

4,3,1,2,7,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,6,5

12,3,7,14,15,6,8,13,10,4,9,2,11,5,1

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

14,15,13,9,12,11,5,4,10,7,8,6,3,2,1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,2,4,13,14,12,15,5,11,10,9,8,7,6,1

1,2,3,4,11,10,5,9,6,8,7,12,13,14,15

3,2,1,9,10,8,11,12,13,7,6,5,4,14,15

6,7,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,3,14,15,2,1

2,3,9,10,11,8,7,6,5,4,1,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,5,4,3,2,1,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,4,3,2,10,9,8,15,14,11,12,13,7,6,5

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,14,7,8,9,13,12,11,10

3,2,1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10,11,12,5,6,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,8,7,6,15,14,13,9,5,10,11,12

4,10,7,6,5,2,15,14,12,11,3,13,8,9,1

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,14,13,6,7,8,11,5,12,10,9,15

5,7,6,3,4,10,15,14,13,12,11,8,1,2,9

1,2,4,3,7,6,5,8,11,10,12,13,9,14,15

5,6,7,4,3,8,9,2,1,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,2,1,4,9,10,11,8,5,6,7,12,13,14,15

1,2,11,12,13,10,14,5,15,8,7,9,3,4,6

2,1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

5,6,7,8,2,1,9,10,11,3,4,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,14,12,13,15,10,11

3,2,4,5,1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,5,6,7,8,3,2,9,10,11,12,15,14,13,1

1,2,6,7,8,3,4,5,15,14,9,10,11,12,13

1,2,15,8,12,7,14,13,9,10,11,6,5,4,3

1,4,3,2,5,6,7,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8

1,2,3,4,12,13,14,15,11,10,9,8,7,6,5

1,2,3,4,7,6,8,5,9,10,11,12,15,13,14

4,5,3,2,1,6,7,8,15,14,13,9,10,11,12

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,14,15,10,13,12,11

3,4,5,2,1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,6,7,10,9,11,8,5,2,13,12,1,14,15

4,6,3,5,7,8,1,2,9,15,14,13,12,10,11

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,6,7,8,2,5,9,10,11,12,1,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,15,14,13,12,11

4,5,6,7,8,3,2,1,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,7,8,3,12,13,14,15,5,4,2,1,11,9,10

2,3,1,4,5,6,7,8,9,15,14,13,12,11,10

4,5,6,7,8,9,13,14,15,12,11,10,3,2,1

5,4,6,8,7,9,11,10,12,2,1,3,14,13,15

5,6,4,1,7,2,3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

12,13,14,11,15,3,2,4,10,9,8,7,6,1,5

13,14,12,15,11,10,9,8,4,3,5,7,6,2,1

3,4,2,1,5,6,7,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8

7,6,5,4,3,2,1,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

5,6,4,3,2,1,8,9,7,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,2,9,8,7,6,5,10,11,1,12,13,14,15

1,3,2,4,6,5,7,8,9,10,12,11,14,13,15

1,2,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,11,12,13,14,15

10,11,12,13,9,14,15,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

7,6,5,1,2,3,4,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

7,8,6,9,5,10,4,11,3,12,2,13,1,14,15

3,2,9,10,11,8,7,4,12,13,14,5,6,1,15

1,6,5,3,15,14,4,2,7,9,8,13,10,12,11

5,6,7,4,3,8,9,2,10,11,12,13,14,15,1

8,7,9,6,5,4,3,2,1,10,15,14,13,12,11

1,2,3,4,7,6,5,8,9,14,15,10,11,12,13

4,3,2,1,13,12,11,10,5,14,9,15,8,7,6

2,1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,4,3,2,7,6,5,10,9,8,12,11,10,14,15

3,4,9,8,10,11,12,7,6,2,13,14,1,15,5

2,11,10,9,8,1,7,6,5,4,12,13,3,14,15

11,8,5,3,1,2,4,6,7,9,10,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,15,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14

3,4,2,6,7,8,5,1,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,4,6,5,7,2,3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,10,11,9,8,12,13,14,15,7,6,5,4,3,2

7,6,5,4,3,8,9,1,2,15,10,14,13,12,11

9,10,11,3,4,2,1,12,13,8,7,6,5,14,15

3,4,6,2,5,1,7,8,11,10,9,12,15,14,13

5,4,3,2,1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,5,2,1,4,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,12,13,14,15,11,10,9,8,7

3,2,1,4,6,5,7,13,14,15,12,11,10,9,8

3,4,2,5,6,7,8,1,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

8,7,5,9,4,1,2,3,14,12,6,10,13,15,11

5,6,7,8,9,4,10,3,11,2,12,1,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,12,13,14,15,11,10,9,8

4,3,2,1,8,7,9,11,6,10,12,13,10,15,5

8,7,6,9,5,12,11,10,13,14,4,3,2,15,1

7,6,5,4,3,2,1,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,15,14,13,6,12,7,11,8,9,10

8,9,7,10,11,12,6,13,14,4,5,15,1,2,3

6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,5,4,3,2,1

1,2,3,4,7,6,5,12,15,14,13,11,10,9,8

4,3,5,2,1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,14

8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,7,6,1,2,3,4,5

8,9,10,11,15,14,13,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7

1,2,3,4,5,6,15,14,13,12,11,7,8,10,9

4,3,2,5,6,1,11,12,10,14,13,9,8,7,15

12,13,11,14,10,9,15,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

4,3,2,1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,13,14,15,11

2,1,4,3,6,7,8,5,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,6,7,8,9,5,10,2,11,12,1,13,14,15

5,9,1,6,7,8,2,3,4,10,15,11,12,13,14

3,2,1,4,5,8,7,6,14,9,11,12,13,10,15

1,4,3,2,8,7,6,5,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,2,1,6,7,8,5,9,10,11,15,14,13,12

10,9,1,2,3,11,12,13,8,7,6,5,4,14,15

5,4,3,6,1,7,2,9,8,14,10,11,12,13,15

4,8,5,6,11,9,7,12,13,14,15,10,3,2,1

5,4,3,6,8,7,9,10,1,2,12,13,14,11,15

6,7,8,5,9,10,11,4,12,3,13,14,15,2,1

3,2,1,4,14,15,5,6,13,7,11,12,8,9,10

5,6,7,8,9,11,12,10,13,4,14,3,15,2,1

7,8,6,1,2,3,9,10,11,12,13,15,14,5,4

1,2,3,4,5,11,12,13,14,15,10,9,8,7,6

5,6,4,3,2,1,8,9,7,10,11,12,13,14,15

6,7,9,10,11,5,4,2,12,13,3,14,15,5,1

1,11,3,2,8,14,5,9,7,4,6,10,12,13,15

3,4,2,5,1,6,13,12,7,11,13,9,8,14,15

6,7,8,9,10,5,4,3,2,1,11,12,13,14,15

2,1,3,11,10,4,12,7,8,6,9,14,13,5,15

12,11,10,4,3,5,13,14,15,6,7,8,9,2,1

6,5,4,7,3,2,8,1,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,3,5,6,7,1,8,13,9,10,11,12,15,14,2

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,15,14,10,11,12,13,9,8

4,5,3,6,7,1,2,10,9,8,11,12,13,14,15

3,4,2,5,1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,5,6,3,11,12,10,2,1,3,8,9,7,15,14

3,2,1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

4,6,8,7,9,10,3,5,2,1,11,12,13,14,15

5,4,2,1,3,13,15,14,9,10,11,12,8,6,7

2,4,1,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

I believe we had 58 of 390 with 1-15 KDS:



1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

1,2,6,7,8,9,3,5,4,10,11,12,13,14,15

i believe this is the correct answer

One of the reasons I posted these is so that everyone can see what everyone else was thinking. But interestingly, I just took a phone call from someone who got the 14th pick and was upset that he got his 14th KDS preference. Well, unfortunately, in baseball some folks prefer NOT to get the last four picks and thus if nobody else in your league decided to drop back in the pack, then it is possible to get your 14th KDS preference and even 15th. We hope that doesn't happen, but it can.



3RR would change that, but so far we've seen no need to implement that in baseball as teams have won from every spot in the draft, with no real strong indicator that one spot is better than others.



Hope this helps. I also hope you got one of your top preferences. But if you didn't, then look above to see if others in your league might have also had KDS preferences that didn't favor spots that you also didn't favor. KDS doesn't always work perfectly for all.

KDS is great. You can win from any spot. Folks put too much stock in their #1 pick. I got 13 in the main which was my 10th selection.

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Hope this helps. I also hope you got one of your top preferences. But if you didn't, then look above to see if others in your league might have also had KDS preferences that didn't favor spots that you also didn't favor. KDS doesn't always work perfectly for all. greg - i raised this point last year...why is the default KDS 1-15, why not have it 15-1? if people don't care what their kds is, set it 15-1.



more people will be happier this way. guarenteed.



[ March 13, 2009, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Hope this helps. I also hope you got one of your top preferences. But if you didn't, then look above to see if others in your league might have also had KDS preferences that didn't favor spots that you also didn't favor. KDS doesn't always work perfectly for all. greg - i raised this point last year...why is the default KDS 1-15, why not have it 15-1? if people don't care what their kds is, set it 15-1.



more people will be happier this way. guarenteed. [/QUOTE]That is a great idea

Setting default to 15-1 would just be begging for headaches and worse for Greg.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Hope this helps. I also hope you got one of your top preferences. But if you didn't, then look above to see if others in your league might have also had KDS preferences that didn't favor spots that you also didn't favor. KDS doesn't always work perfectly for all. greg - i raised this point last year...why is the default KDS 1-15, why not have it 15-1? if people don't care what their kds is, set it 15-1.



more people will be happier this way. guarenteed. [/QUOTE]more like asinine....people want the highest or best...not the least desirable. So you want me to log on and change it to 1-15?



[ March 13, 2009, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

I would love to see 3RR in baseball. I think it would work very well in baseball. I think your KDS would be evenly spread and more people would get their preference. To be honest I thought baseball had KDS already until I saw Greg's post. And, I still wanted a top four selection.



kamakazi

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

more like asinine....people want the highest or best...not the least desirable. So you want me to log on and change it to 1-15? aren't all draft slots equal. greg did say there's no need for 3RR.



and don't tell me you're too lazy to "log on". that is the most 'assinine' thing i've heard in a while. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Setting default to 15-1 would just be begging for headaches and worse for Greg. why?

Originally posted by scott keikoan:

I would love to see 3RR in baseball. I think it would work very well in baseball. I think your KDS would be evenly spread and more people would get their preference. To be honest I thought baseball had KDS already until I saw Greg's post. And, I still wanted a top four selection.



kamakazi You could be right. It isn't as obvious a need in baseball, but given that the majority of players want to be in the top 4-6 each season, it might make sense. If it would even out the distribution, probably a good thing.

Sorry, dumb question but what is 3RR?

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Sorry, dumb question but what is 3RR? Something that is not needed in the NFBC

3RR (Third Round Reversal) would be great for the strategy of setting KDS, I agree with that, but that's not the goal of 3RR. The goal of 3RR is to balance the competition and the NFBC already seems to be competitively balanced with the serpentine draft. In fact, the No. 1 position has been a tough position to win a title from in recent years, so how would 3RR improve that?



I'm not against it; just stating that I agree 3RR would present a greater KDS strategy and probably happier folks when they see their draft picks, but I'm not sure it would be perfect for the competition.



The one downer of today is the number of folks who have contacted me to complain where they are drafting. Those people are at the bottom of the draft order, and as I've shown above 13-15 weren't desired by a lot of people and thus those folks pulled 13th or 14th out of a hat certainly could have gotten their 13th or 14th KDS preference. 3RR would prevent that because many folks would move to the bottom of the draft, but again I think it could skew the results. Maybe, maybe not.

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Sorry, dumb question but what is 3RR? Here's the link:



https://www.fantasyfootballchampionship ... ds_3rr.asp



It's been used in the NFFC since 2007

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Setting default to 15-1 would just be begging for headaches and worse for Greg. I agree Lance. Most people want the highest pick possible, so 1-15 as the default is the right move here.

Here's what i did. 3 4 2 5 6 7 1 10 9 8 11 12 13 14 15.Every year is different last year i wanted 11 or 12. This year i felt their was a top 7 Rameriz,Puljols,Reyes,and Wright followed by Sizemore,Cabrera,and Braun.After these 7 you could go 10 different way's so picking 8 threw 15 can look so different in draft's.

The KDS data would be better presented as follows:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke1yflOVft4&NR=1

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The one downer of today is the number of folks who have contacted me to complain where they are drafting. yep, that was the one "yuck" factor with the KDS system...some owners got their 14th or 15th preference and they are competing against owners who got their 1st, 2nd or 3rd preference.



the # of "downer phone calls" would be less with a default of 15-1. but, i'm hearing everyone likes the early spots becasue they are better, even though the data doesn't support it. go figure.

Originally posted by King of Queens:

The KDS data would be better presented as follows:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke1yflOVft4&NR=1 I was thinking of something more along the lines of this...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50QAXwOYPoI

Originally posted by scott keikoan:

I would love to see 3RR in baseball. I think it would work very well in baseball. I think your KDS would be evenly spread and more people would get their preference. To be honest I thought baseball had KDS already until I saw Greg's post. And, I still wanted a top four selection.



kamakazi Couldn't disagree more. I understand where you are coming from, but 3RR is just not for baseball, or better stated, would not improve what we already have IN MOST YEARS. It works for football because the points are so skewed to a VERY small class of RB's, so the top of the draft do end up with an advantage without 3RR. In baseball, the difference between the top few players chosen and the middle or end group in the first round is just not that much. Also, it is, in my experience, more frequent in baseball that players from later in Round 1 or even in Round 2 (Pujols) end up at the top of the points list.



As to the whining about not getting their preferred KDS (and I mean the real whiners, not just the folks who are disappointed, but see it as part of the contest), this year is a bit of an anomoly. In prior years, the KDS was all over the board. One persons #1 choice was another #14. This year, a greater portion of the preferences were alike or nearly alike heavily weighted to the top 5...I mean 4 players. It was pretty obvious and every one should plan for all outcomes. I myself got my #8 pick.



It was two years ago I think that there was so much talent available from the backend first round turnaround that many found that very preferable and many of those were VERY successful. It has been proven time and time again you can win from any spot in baseball (another difference to football, which is why 3RR works there).



[ March 13, 2009, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

I find it hard to believe people would actually dial Greg's phone number to voice their displeasure over something that is both fair and out of his control.



~Lance

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I find it hard to believe people would actually dial Greg's phone number to voice their displeasure over something that is both fair and out of his control.



~Lance Seriously.