Overall list of events?

Schwartzstops · Post by **Schwartzstops** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:41 am

Greg can you please post a single, complete list of all 2010 NFBC events? Between all of the threads going on I've utterly lost track. Even better would be an Excel with dates, venues, formats, payouts, etc., so we could just filter and see, for instance, all events in a given city, or all auction events on a certain date, etc.

Thanks!

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:47 am

What I do not really understand is I assume that each person has a budget on which he can spend on fantasy baseball, excluding those few who do it for a living in some way(writers, web site owners etc). Seeing all of these additional options, doesnt mean I have more to spend...only that there are more leagues in which I can not participate, though I sure would like to.

Is this growing the product or diluting it? Did Starbucks grow its company when it started opening shops across the street from one another, or did they end up having to shut down a butt load of stores after the brand became diluted?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am

Originally posted by Schwks:

excluding those few who do it for a living in some way(writers, web site owners, Shawn, etc).Fixed!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:56 am

Originally posted by Schwks:

What I do not really understand is I assume that each person has a budget on which he can spend on fantasy baseball, excluding those few who do it for a living in some way(writers, web site owners etc). Seeing all of these additional options, doesnt mean I have more to spend...only that there are more leagues in which I can not participate, though I sure would like to.

Is this growing the product or diluting it? Did Starbucks grow its company when it started opening shops across the street from one another, or did they end up having to shut down a butt load of stores after the brand became diluted? I think there is a huge market of players that are sick of the crap that goes on in home leagues. At lower price levels, we are exposing more and more players to the non-trading high stakes game. Some lower price level players will have success and roll it into the main event.

Once they play the game, most players will enjoy this game the most.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:20 am

i agree 100% on the price point and the home league analogy from shawn. what will happen is- as more players play, the payout % will actually go up- probably because of competition. there are more players in big stakes fantasy than in 2002 both on the supply and demand side. if payouts are lowered by a provider a new provider will surely surface. if i had to bet- i would say that will happen within 3 years.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:37 am

Originally posted by Schwartzstops:

Greg can you please post a single, complete list of all 2010 NFBC events? Between all of the threads going on I've utterly lost track. Even better would be an Excel with dates, venues, formats, payouts, etc., so we could just filter and see, for instance, all events in a given city, or all auction events on a certain date, etc.

Thanks! Yes, we will do an Excel file like that for everyone soon, but right now we don't have the host cities finalized yet, which means we obviously don't have the schedule finalized. I can easily do an Events listing with prices and prizes and potential dates, but just give me a little time to finalize the rest.

It was our goal to have the plans in time to unveil right after the NFBC season along with a Registration page and a new web site. Since we didn't have the last two done in time, we either could have held off on the announcements and lost the momentum of people still being on the baseball boards right after our NFBC season or announced most of the details and finalized the rest later. That's the option we chose.

So give us a little more time and I'll have all of that for you, but this is a solid request.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:43 am

Originally posted by Schwks:

What I do not really understand is I assume that each person has a budget on which he can spend on fantasy baseball, excluding those few who do it for a living in some way(writers, web site owners etc). Seeing all of these additional options, doesnt mean I have more to spend...only that there are more leagues in which I can not participate, though I sure would like to.

Is this growing the product or diluting it? Did Starbucks grow its company when it started opening shops across the street from one another, or did they end up having to shut down a butt load of stores after the brand became diluted? I understand what you are saying, but I wish people would understand that we're not just trying to monetize the 390 people we currently have in the main event with 4 times as many products. That's not the ultimate goal, obviously. The bigger picture is to offer more lower-priced offerings that bring in new members to the NFBC. That should be easy to see.

The NFBC Online Championship brought in 200+ new members who had NEVER played with us before. That's an amazing number. When we announced the NFBC, we were shooting for 300 TEAMS TOTAL. Nobody thought we could grow the NFBC user base as much as we did with a $350 contest. So let's now give the $500 Live component of the Double Play a chance and see how many new folks we can bring to the live events with that price point.

The Auction Championship may actually entice enough NFBC drafters to try auctions again. I'm seeing that with some of the posts and I like it. The grand prize is enough to entice them to this format; whereas the single league prize wasn't. I dig it and I like it.

The $10K league may replace one Ultimate League, that's it. So I don't think we've added as much as everyone is saying, but adding the second weekend of events makes it look that way.

Make sense? We want to grow the user base, not just keep monetizing our current die-hards. This is a long-term plan, not a short-term plan.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:46 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Schwks:

What I do not really understand is I assume that each person has a budget on which he can spend on fantasy baseball, excluding those few who do it for a living in some way(writers, web site owners etc). Seeing all of these additional options, doesnt mean I have more to spend...only that there are more leagues in which I can not participate, though I sure would like to.

Is this growing the product or diluting it? Did Starbucks grow its company when it started opening shops across the street from one another, or did they end up having to shut down a butt load of stores after the brand became diluted? I think there is a huge market of players that are sick of the crap that goes on in home leagues. At lower price levels, we are exposing more and more players to the non-trading high stakes game. Some lower price level players will have success and roll it into the main event.

Once they play the game, most players will enjoy this game the most. [/QUOTE]I do agree with you Shawn, but getting those frustrated owners to try a new league at $1300 per team is tougher than at $350 per team or $500 per team. And the 15-team format is still foreign to some folks.

We'll find out if we're right or wrong, but the $350 and $500 price levels should attract folks like Shawn said and I think it will attract folks who play CDM's games who may want another good pay league to compete in. We've already seen how much success the Diamond Challenge guys have had this past year in the NFBC and the price points seem to be right in their range. I'd be surprised if we didn't attract more of those players, too.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:21 am

If you are having two separate weekends, have two separate main events. IMO, if you build separate events AND guarantee the prize pools, players WILL fill up the contests.

Case in point, with the way it is setup right now, I don’t plan on playing in any events that first weekend. Like I told Ryan, why in the world would I draft that first weekend, when I can draft with more information available the following weekend and still be placed in the same main event contest? Answer: I won’t. The other NFBC’ers I’ve spoken to aren’t planning to do anything that first weekend either.

Now if Fanball had two separate main events, March 20th weekend (let’s say 195 people for a $50,000 grand prize) and March 27th weekend (405 people for a $100,000 grand prize), I would have to seriously consider signing up for BOTH main events contests, along with other events on BOTH weekends. Again, build the event with a guaranteed prize pool and the event will fill up.

In addition, owners can draft multiple online championship teams and multiple auction championships on the same weekend, why in the world would you not give owners the chance of drafting multiple main events teams on the same weekend.

Seems like a slam dunk to me.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:38 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

We want to grow the user base, not just keep monetizing our current die-hards. What exactly is this thing that you guys hooked up to me?

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:59 am

Previously you wrote that you do not televise. How about doing a huge money draft after ALL OTHER drafts are complete, wherein the top dogs draft. Maybe the first year invite your top players ands past winners...and then make it a true invitational each year. You could have commentators etc. THAT would really help establish you as the end all be all of fantasy sports. Plus the added incentive of trying to get into next year's invitational would serve as powerful incentive to play in the main.

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:01 am

BTW congrats on your new digs. Sounds like a perfect place for a couple of guys who truly love their jobs.