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91 Matt Cain

92 Alexei Ramirez

93 Hunter Pence

94 Joakim Soria

95 Clayton Kershaw

96 Adam Jones

97 Cole Hamels

98 Michael Young

99 Alfonso Soriano

100 Heath Bell

101 Ubaldo Jimenez

102 Ricky Nolasco

103 Carlos Gonzalez

104 Francisco Rodriguez

105 Nate McLouth



LIKE:

Hunter Pence - Had most of his at bats from the 6 hole?!? With Tejada gone, should move up to a better spot in the lineup. Also attempted 25 stolen bases last year. If he can improve on his success %, he would be a sneaky way of acquiring 20 sb's.



DISLIKE:

Cole Hamels - Innings jump too years ago negatively affected him last year. The Phillies couldn't even trust him at the end of last year, so how could you?? Created a lot of tension during the playoffs when he said he can't wait for the season to be over.

I see lots of value here. Plus a few I wouldn't touch in the 7th, 8th or 9th rounds.

Like: Cole Hamels

I was high on Alexei last year. Even took him in the 2nd round.



However, I can't make heads or tails of his season, and I know Ozzie likes to play games, so this year I'm staying away.

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

Like: Cole Hamels Any reason why? The Phils gave up on his ass last year, but "Less than Dave" is buying?

Originally posted by Gekko:

I was high on Alexei last year. Even took him in the 2nd round.



However, I can't make heads or tails of his season, and I know Ozzie likes to play games, so this year I'm staying away. If that's the case, then he'll probably produce 2nd round value this year

3 straight years of 3.1-3.6 ERA and 1.08-1.15 WHIP

2009 ERA was 4.32 with a 1.29 WHIP - not good, but not "fell off the map" bad either... people weigh one year too much if there's no other reasons to believe he will falter

Had unusually high 1st half hit% of 37% which led to high 1st half ERA/WHIP, bounced back in the 2nd half

Maintained strong control/dominance/command throughout 2009

Other than his last start the rest of September he was good overall

He's 26 years old

He plays for the World Series favorite (thus more wins likely)

oh, and if you like SHandler, his xERA was 3.67... none of his numbers other than 1st half hit% were off... he looks like the same pitcher we had been seeing the last 3 years, but he went through an unlucky period which probably caused him to get frustrated.. he was 25 years old after all... an offseason of rest should do wonders

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

oh, and if you like SHandler, his xERA was 3.67... none of his numbers other than 1st half hit% were off... he looks like the same pitcher we had been seeing the last 3 years, but he went through an unlucky period which probably caused him to get frustrated.. he was 25 years old after all... an offseason of rest should do wonders i'm assuming you haven't looked at his playoff stats.



hamels is a bum that will BURN each and every one of his 7th round owners this year. don't let it be you



[ February 10, 2010, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

I was high on Alexei last year. Even took him in the 2nd round.



However, I can't make heads or tails of his season, and I know Ozzie likes to play games, so this year I'm staying away. If that's the case, then he'll probably produce 2nd round value this year [/QUOTE]you mean a 25/20 season with a .290 batting avg? that's what i thought LAST season. and you're right, i'm usually a year eary on my calls

hamels is a bum that will BURN each and every one of his 7th round owners this year. don't let it be you Perhaps I should not be throwing my opinion around in a thread with so many veterans. But as a Phils fan I feel the need to defend Cole from the description of "bum". I will admit that I had the feeling the league figured out something about Cole last season and he could not adjust. If Cole is your first pitcher at 7 he may well let you down but if he's your 2 or 3 your going to do alright.



Bob

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

an offseason of rest should do wonders There are not enough eye rolls for this one.

If Cole is your first pitcher at 7 he may well let you down but if he's your 2 or 3 your going to do alright.

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If Cole Hammels is your first pitcher taken, you need to find another hobby.



And I'm a Phillies fan. But I do think that the league figured him out last year and he's got some issues "betwen the ears".

Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

If Cole is your first pitcher at 7 he may well let you down but if he's your 2 or 3 your going to do alright.

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If Cole Hammels is your first pitcher taken, you need to find another hobby.



And I'm a Phillies fan. But I do think that the league figured him out last year and he's got some issues "betwen the ears". Guess I better start looking for another hobby. I would say 50/50 chance that I won't roster a SP before the the seventh round in the Main. I took him in the 7th in one slow draft (my third SP), so I think that is a fair ADP for him.



I don't like these RP here.

Originally posted by Werewolves of London:

quote:



hamels is a bum that will BURN each and every one of his 7th round owners this year. don't let it be you Perhaps I should not be throwing my opinion around in a thread with so many veterans. But as a Phils fan I feel the need to defend Cole from the description of "bum". I will admit that I had the feeling the league figured out something about Cole last season and he could not adjust. If Cole is your first pitcher at 7 he may well let you down but if he's your 2 or 3 your going to do alright.



Bob [/QUOTE]Don't let a bunch of "veterans" intimidate your voice on these boards. Your opinion is just as good as theirs. Welcome.

Mighty is right. Fight the good fight



Welcome aboard!

LOL at the Hamels is a bum comments.

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

LOL at the Hamels is a bum comments. i know you guys will love this...

19 postseason innings...SEVEN HR ALLOWED and a 7.58 ERA. Not to mention he dissed his team during the world series. for a supposed ACE, he was a BUM

AND Hamels got smoked his last three starts of the regular season.



in his last 35.66 innings of 2009, hamels gave up 9 homers with an earned run avg of 7.31



seriously folks, do you REALLY want to take this guy to be your ACE??? better think twice.

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

If Cole is your first pitcher at 7 he may well let you down but if he's your 2 or 3 your going to do alright.

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If Cole Hammels is your first pitcher taken, you need to find another hobby.



And I'm a Phillies fan. But I do think that the league figured him out last year and he's got some issues "betwen the ears". Guess I better start looking for another hobby. I would say 50/50 chance that I won't roster a SP before the the seventh round in the Main. I took him in the 7th in one slow draft (my third SP), so I think that is a fair ADP for him.



I don't like these RP here. [/QUOTE]7th Rd............... Head issues..........Has the talent to be front-line starter.





Sounds like Greinke from last year?



Sold!!! I'm buying!!!

Originally posted by The Franchise:

quote:Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

If Cole is your first pitcher at 7 he may well let you down but if he's your 2 or 3 your going to do alright.

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If Cole Hammels is your first pitcher taken, you need to find another hobby.



And I'm a Phillies fan. But I do think that the league figured him out last year and he's got some issues "betwen the ears". Guess I better start looking for another hobby. I would say 50/50 chance that I won't roster a SP before the the seventh round in the Main. I took him in the 7th in one slow draft (my third SP), so I think that is a fair ADP for him.



I don't like these RP here. [/QUOTE]7th Rd............... Head issues..........Has the talent to be front-line starter.





Sounds like Greinke from last year?



Sold!!! I'm buying!!! [/QUOTE]agreed. after years of watching the crap come out of the Gekko keyboard.. you have to realize that he's playing a game with names. i dont think one person should believe one word he writes. to hype wandy as an amazing play 1 round after saying that hamels is a bum is laughable. i would have given you credit on wandy last season.. but this season he is way over valued. his injuries and control issues could be solved.. but i wont be the one taking him ahead of some of the pitchers im sure you list in the upcoming rounds. oh and dont forget he is 31 and he just put up his 1st 200 inning season .. up almost 70 innings from the year before.



do you feel lucky?

I will beat EVERY main event team that selects Hamels as their #1 SP. THAT'S A FACT

Originally posted by Gekko:

I will beat EVERY main event team that selects Hamels as their #1 SP. THAT'S A FACT fact? hows that? do you plan on taking "better" pitchers earlier? will you be starting your staff with wandy? ubaldo and his 90+bb's? im not sure if i think that hamels is an anchor but i dont think you'd be at a deficit early on if others start their staff with SP's in your 6th, 7th or 8th round ADP's.



drop the knowledge.... because other than beckett... none of those guys are fool proof. vazquez back to ny, johnson huge innings spike, hanson.. young dude... kerhsaw lots of walks and young dude. gallardo? walks, injuries and huge innings spike. peavey is in the AL and with the cws.. coming off of injury.



so yeah. hamels struggled mightily at the end of season. no doubt that his struggles contributed to this huge blow up that you think will affect his ablility.. it wont. his slide last season probably has more to due with his huge innings jump from the previous season. please note that in that postseason... he was pretty sick.

I agree with Gekko on this one.

Originally posted by jamesmaples:

I agree with Gekko on this one. I don't agree with Gekko on this one. Poop