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Post by Leaderboard Sports » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:16 am

Apparently the MLPA has sold the rights to players names and stats to MLB.com for a cool $50 million http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbu ... id=1970454



Now the questions are:



Will they lease the rights to stat companies and fantasy companies at a similar rate to that which the MLPA has been doing?



Will they lease the rights at a ridiculous increase?



Will they hold on to the rights and run everyone else out of business?



One things for sure and that is somebody is going to pay that $50 million plus a healthy profit and if you aren't reaching for your wallet now you best be finding another hobby. :mad:



How soon will this affect the NFBC Greg?



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:40 am

I was on this teleconference today and as you know I'm on the front lines with this. Today's announcement about $50 million over five years that the MLB is paying the MLBPA was a staggering figure, but it does involve a little more beyond fantasy rights. The MLB rep said business will be run as usual for 2005 and we will apply for a license this year just like we did with them last year, although we now have a new contact there. Krause Publications has a good working relationship with MLB and the MLBPA, so I think all will work out. But long-term, the future is uncertain.



This is a big, big announcement in the fantasy sports industry and only time will tell how this affects the entire industry. The NFLPA has already announced that it likely will not license as many companies in 2006 as it has in the past, so we'll see how that plays out. As president of the Fantasy Sports Trade Association, which currently has 182 corporate members, I'm watching the licensing situation on a number of fronts.



I don't see any change for 2005 and obviously all fantasy players can voice their opinions if the landscape changes. But right now it looks like business as usual, although $50 million over five years to own the licensing rights shows how big this fantasy sports industry is getting.
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Post by viper » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:23 am

Very interesting.



I saw your name and comments quoted in the article and was sure there would be a post on the board.



Why does the thought of golden eggs next to a dead goose pop into my head?

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Post by Walla Walla » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:30 pm

Viper, I agree with you. I grew up watching boxing. Now because everyone tried to drain the last dime out of it theres not much left of it.

The other sports are headed that way. This could be the last year where the average guy can get into a contest like this. In fact the 5k league may be cheap.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:22 am

Personally, I cannot see this being treated the with the same marketing profile as the "luxury box/new stadium" mentality. If they jack up the licensing too much, they will kill the average user. The average user is what has generated the boom. Kill them off, kill the boom. Bad investment.



I think they will probably be more active, try to get more licensees (i.e. increase revenue with volume rather than price) and maybe police the market even stronger than the MLPA did.



It may be pie in the sky, but I hope they are intelligent with their new asset.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:57 am

Here is my story that I wrote for the Fantasy Sports Trade Association newsletter. Consumers may be interested in it as well and I'll run it in our next Fantasy Sports Magazine, but NFBC members can get an early view of it:



MLBPA AND MLBAM AGREE TO $50 MILLION FANTASY DEAL

By Greg Ambrosius

In a bold move that shows how far the fantasy sports industry has evolved, the Major League Baseball Players Association and MLB Advanced Media announced a five-year, $50 million deal on Wednesday that involves the exclusive rights to the league’s fantasy games. The deal means that MLB Advanced Media will now be in control of deciding who gets licenses and sub-licenses for fantasy baseball during the next five years, rather than the MLBPA.



In a joint teleconference for reporters on Wednesday out of New York, both sides put a positive spin on what this partnership means for the growth of the fantasy sports industry. Bob Bowman, chief executive of MLB Advanced Media, said he will license the league marks and players names to other industry companies in 2005 and that every 2004 licensee will receive an RFP. However, he did not say if the number of licensees would increase or decrease this year and in future years.



“Our goal is to increase the number of people who can play fantasy, increase the number of games we consider fantasy and just get more people spending time on fantasy than we currently have,” Bowman said. “That could mean more licensees. It could mean fewer licensees. It’s really going to depend on what the potential licensees want to do in terms of trying to augment and enhance what is already a great product.”



Bowman was asked if MLB.com would one day have exclusive rights to run all fantasy games and services and he was adamant that it would never happen. “No there is not a possibility that could happen,” he said. “I can say with absolute certainty there will be at least one and probably many, many licensees. It’s going to be up to the potential licensees to control their fate.



“We think this is going to greatly improve the fantasy experience,” he added. “We think we can grow the business tremendously. We think we can get more people interested in fantasy, more people interested in more casual fantasy games (and) we think the wireless platform is an absolutely embryonic but quickly growing platform for us to utilize these combined rights.”



While fantasy sports licensing is the biggest aspect of the deal, it’s not the only area of it. This partnership gives MLBAM the video rights to show player images online. It also allows MLBAM to host the PA’s web site, now called MLBPlayers.com, and to expand text and video on wireless applications.



Still, the value of the deal is staggering as Bowman said that MLBAM is paying in excess of $50 million in cash to the Players Association for these rights and the final figure is not based on a revenue share model. With fantasy baseball being at the forefront of the deal, new revenue generating models will likely be in store for the future.



“We believe that we can create a larger fan base and create a larger economic pie for these general rights by putting them all together and we’ve risked capital to do it,” Bowman said. “Fantasy really is two-dimensional right now. It’s text based and there are some pictures involved. In the last 20 years, the world has changed somewhat, but the fantasy games have not changed. They are still two-dimensional (and) we can make them three-dimensional, we can make them video where we can now combine the video rights and give people what they want in updates, either text based on their cell phone or broadband video on their computers. By combining (the rights), we now have one-stop shopping for the fan and he or she can tell us how they want to enjoy fantasy. Increasingly, it’s going to have a broadband element to it and we weren’t able to combine that in the past.



“One thing we want to do with the licensees is develop the two to three minute fantasy game, where people can play on their cell phones,” Bowman added. “And that has as much upside as retooling and enhancing the existing games to make them more three-dimensional than two-dimensional.”



As of Thursday morning, dozens of FSTA members received RFPs from MLB Advanced Media for the chance to seek a license. No industry company had a license from the MLBPA or MLBAM for 2005 before yesterday’s announcement. Judy Heeter, director of business affairs and licensing for the MLBPA, said that “dozens” of companies were licensed last year and that the MLBPA has been aggressive when it comes to unlicensed fantasy companies in the past. “I believe we’ve been very aggressive and I think over the years the circumstances have changed somewhat because the law has recognized the rights of players associations in this area and it’s been less necessary to be aggressive than perhaps we were back in the early 1990s,” Heeter said. “That’s true generally across the board in every product category, not just the fantasy category.”



While no fantasy company has challenged that position in a court of law, there are some people in the legal field who disagree with that assessment when it comes to statistics of the games. Paul Levy was co-counsel to STATS Inc. in the NBA vs. Motorola case of 1997 when a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that the federal copyright statute prohibits the ownership of factual data. Levy told ESPN.com’s Darren Rovell, “there are a line of cases that suggest that any personality is protected from an implied endorsement or suggested affiliation without their permission. But that is different from the recitation of a statistic that has no meaning unless that statistic is tied to the name of the player who generated that statistic.”
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Post by Walla Walla » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:10 pm

Bowman has no clue about Fantasy baseball though he does live in a fantasy land. He thinks video replays are required for fantasy players to enjoy the game? This is what happens when pure money guys get into a field they no nothing about. I've never seen anyone in the industry say we need video to become big. I think the legal side will prevail on the fantasy players side. You can't be public property in the news and off limits to anyone else. Stats, names, etc. :rolleyes:

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Post by devilznj » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:26 pm

Not video replays - LIVE VIDEO!! Imagine being home (or better yet - at work) and everytime your player comes to bat a window opens on your screen automatically showing you his at bat. Or your reliever coming in for a save. State of the art fantasy, baby! And at only $299.00 a year, what a steal !!
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Post by Leaderboard Sports » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:40 pm

I agree with you Walla :eek:

They don't have a clue where the fantasy market is headed.

We don't want video and cell phones. What we want is the thrill of victory and some jingle in the pocketbook.

At first everyone gets off on winning their local league trophy or a T-Shirt from ESPN but after awhile it takes the thrill of winning money to get your rocks off.

The future of fantasy sports is events like the NFBC and money leagues.

No one ever grows tired of winning money.



This is a very bad thing for the Fantasy Sports industry for one company to control the direction they wish to drive the market. It sounds to me that they may only issue licenses to those companies willing to incorporate MLB.com wireless technologies into their games.



I think now is the time to find some good civil liberty and antitrust lawyers and nip this in the bud. :mad:



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Post by viper » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:32 pm

it is probably a bit early to even try and forecast what will happen. The video thing is stupid. Imagine having 10 fantasy teasm. You could see every pitch of every game if you worked your lineups correctly. At elats it could happen if you really could see your players when they batted or pitched.

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Post by Dyv » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:42 pm

Gee, I could play a 2 or 3 minute fantasy game on my cellphone? Wouldn't that be exciting...



I can only imagine what would happen if they couldn't squeeze an extra $10 million of profits out of fantasy gamers. How would the players afford to feed their families?
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:03 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Bob Bowman, chief executive of MLB Advanced Media, said he will license the league marks and players names to other industry companies in 2005 and that every 2004 licensee will receive an RFP. However, he did not say if the number of licensees would increase or decrease this year and in future years.

an RFP? geez, this doesn't look good. F'um. i'll select PIT OF3 or STL SP1.



Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Our goal is to increase the number of people who can play fantasy, increase the number of games we consider fantasy and just get more people spending time on fantasy than we currently have, Bowman said. horsechit. your goal, along with every other business, is to make money by any legal means necessary.



Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

While no fantasy company has challenged that position in a court of law, there are some people in the legal field who disagree with that assessment when it comes to statistics of the games. Paul Levy was co-counsel to STATS Inc. in the NBA vs. Motorola case of 1997 when a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that the federal copyright statute prohibits the ownership of factual data. this almost makes me want to go back to law school

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Post by bjoak » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:31 pm

I agree with devil. I stare at my computer, waiting for stats to be updated. It would be excellent to see my team's actual at bats or pitches as they were happening. That is what they have in mind. You can get almost every game on cable ("Extra Innings") at a steal already so it's not very far fetched.



We'll wait to see how it plays out, but they are clearly stating that they want to expand fball rather than run it into the ground by only having their crappy games on mlb.com.



Also, I'd love to be able to see what my team is doing on my cell phone while I'm sitting at a real game so that sounds good too.
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