Carlos Gonzalez

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:50 pm

Okay, a lot of talk about Carlos Gonzalez today.

He is my #1 breakout player entering 2010. I run player comps based on 2009 skill sets vs all skill sets from 2002-2009. this gives me a pool of players a certain player is similar too. i narrow down the search by age and BANG i know what players have displayed the same SKILLS at the same age.

For Carlos Gonzalez, only one name came up...Ryan Braun. ya i know, it seems like a leap of faith, but remember, this is an objective determination. this isn't me wishing cargo comps to braun, it's based on actual facts.

however, with that said, we are dealing with a small sample size of at bats and he did kind of come out of nowhere this past year. but sometimes, something just clicks with a younger player and then he gets it. playing in colorodo has to help!!!

i was worried that others would catch on when i saw shandler's new "mayberry method" listing CarGo in the same grouping as the elite first rounders. i guess most people didn't give that much weight. thankfully.

anyways, here are Cargo's numbers from the 2nd half of last year, the 2009 MLB playoffs and the 209/10 winter league...

336 at bats

68 runs

20 hr

46 rbi

15 sb

.315 avg

expanding that to 550 at bats...

111 runs

33 hr

75 rbi

25 sb

.315 avg

ALL ABOARD!!!!!!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:00 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

Okay, a lot of talk about Carlos Gonzalez today.

He is my #1 breakout player entering 2010. I run player comps based on 2009 skill sets vs all skill sets from 2002-2009. this gives me a pool of players a certain player is similar too. i narrow down the search by age and BANG i know what players have displayed the same SKILLS at the same age.

For Carlos Gonzalez, only one name came up...Ryan Braun. ya i know, it seems like a leap of faith, but remember, this is an objective determination. this isn't me wishing cargo comps to braun, it's based on actual facts.

however, with that said, we are dealing with a small sample size of at bats and he did kind of come out of nowhere this past year. but sometimes, something just clicks with a younger player and then he gets it. playing in colorodo has to help!!!

i was worried that others would catch on when i saw shandler's new "mayberry method" listing CarGo in the same grouping as the elite first rounders. i guess most people didn't give that much weight. thankfully.

anyways, here are Cargo's numbers from the 2nd half of last year, the 2009 MLB playoffs and the 209/10 winter league...

336 at bats

68 runs

20 hr

46 rbi

15 sb

.315 avg

expanding that to 550 at bats...

111 runs

33 hr

75 rbi

25 sb

.315 avg

ALL ABOARD!!!!!!

It's funny Mark, I was high on Cargo....but he was one of those young power/speed outfielders (like Nelson Cruz & Andrew McCutcheon) that were drafted well ahead of their ADP or slow/early draft position. I misjudged & missed out on him in everyone of my last two weekend drafts except one.

Of course the one I got him in is also the team that I was able to grab Pujols & Lincecum, so if he does turn out to be Braun....

Glenn

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:03 pm

Mark,

I 100% agree with you on this one. You and I were going after Carlos G. in the $1300 far after everyone else had dropped. I didn't have the $ to push past $20, I wish I had!!!

FYI, I think I have you (atleast for a better draft in the main event !)

Good luck

Chris

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:05 pm

Yep I wanted Gonzalez also but he went the pick right before mine in the sixth round in my main event league.

At least I got the real Ryan Braun along with Tommy Hanson.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:07 pm

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

FYI, I think I have you (atleast for a better draft in the main event !)

you think you have me in the auction? i was not happy at all on how my team rounded out. pissed actually. all of the $1 or $2 or $3 players i liked in previous auctions (JUST THE WEEK BEFORE) suddenly went for $5 or $6 or more!!! matusz for $9?!?!? masterson for $6?!?!?!? i got some work to do on the waiver wire if i'm going to repeat. good luck!

[ March 28, 2010, 08:09 PM: Message edited by: Gekko ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:14 pm

BEFORE last year's draft, i wished i had used my "Comp Machine". Would have told me Alexie Ramirez was a POS.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:19 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:

FYI, I think I have you (atleast for a better draft in the main event !)

you think you have me in the auction? i was not happy at all on how my team rounded out. pissed actually. all of the $1 or $2 or $3 players i liked in previous auctions (JUST THE WEEK BEFORE) suddenly went for $5 or $6 or more!!! matusz for $9?!?!? masterson for $6?!?!?!? i got some work to do on the waiver wire if i'm going to repeat. good luck! [/QUOTE]Another reason you should come to Chicago next year Mark - CarGo $15, Masterson $1 (me), Matusz $3.

And the SP's were UNDERpriced, at least in my book - Sabathia $24, Grienke $25, Felix $25 (me), Haren $25.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:29 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:

FYI, I think I have you (atleast for a better draft in the main event !)

you think you have me in the auction? i was not happy at all on how my team rounded out. pissed actually. all of the $1 or $2 or $3 players i liked in previous auctions (JUST THE WEEK BEFORE) suddenly went for $5 or $6 or more!!! matusz for $9?!?!? masterson for $6?!?!?!? i got some work to do on the waiver wire if i'm going to repeat. good luck! [/QUOTE]Another reason you should come to Chicago next year Mark - CarGo $15, Masterson $1 (me), Matusz $3.

And the SP's were UNDERpriced, at least in my book - Sabathia $24, Grienke $25, Felix $25 (me), Haren $25. [/QUOTE]i hear you jack. this was a $1,300 auction with people who have done it for years. very experienced auction owners. PS - our auction facilitator was THE SAME ONE WHO FACILITATED THE INFAMOUS DRAFT IN AC!!!!!!!!!

Before the auction started (about 4.15pm), tom k said that he doesn't mean to rush us but we have to be out of citifiled by 10pm or else they will charge a $2,000 additional fee. again, no rush.

well, we were done with our auction at 8.30. started at 4.15 that was the fastest auction i've been a part of. owners were throwing out players at or above their value prices.

as for coming to chicago next year, it's either there or online. hell, if there are two weekends again, i'll just do BOTH

seriously, i'd like to do chicago. definately a possibility.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:32 pm

truth be told, i just think east coasters (on average) are more analytical than people anywhere else in the country.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:35 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Another reason you should come to Chicago next year Mark - CarGo $15, Masterson $1 (me), Matusz $3.

see, put me in THAT auction and i'm crowned league champion today. some people don't want to hear that drafting in a different venue is easier BUT SORRY, IT'S TRUE.

seeing those low dollar values makes me wonder why i keep tyring to win vs more sharks than less sharks. maybe i'll smart'n up next year.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:41 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Another reason you should come to Chicago next year Mark - CarGo $15, Masterson $1 (me), Matusz $3.

see, put me in THAT auction and i'm crowned league champion today. some people don't want to hear that drafting in a different venue is easier BUT SORRY, IT'S TRUE.

seeing those low dollar values makes me wonder why i keep tyring to win vs more sharks than less sharks. maybe i'll smart'n up next year. [/QUOTE]Thing about an auction is that it only takes TWO people to drive up a price. Tough to say that all those players above wouldn't have gone for more (much more in some cases), as the person who won them may also have gone considerably more.

That being said, I know that auction in NY is a tough one. However, you can't proclaim yourself as a great player if you are beating up on the weak kids all the time, right?

[ March 28, 2010, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:48 pm

anyone think this thread will bump up CarGo's adp for the reamining nfbc leagues. kinda like miles austin's jump for the midseason nffc league?

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:52 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Another reason you should come to Chicago next year Mark - CarGo $15, Masterson $1 (me), Matusz $3.

the real question Jack is...why isn't there a (me) behind CarGo and Matusz?

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:15 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Another reason you should come to Chicago next year Mark - CarGo $15, Masterson $1 (me), Matusz $3.

the real question Jack is...why isn't there a (me) behind CarGo and Matusz? [/QUOTE]Not enough $ at the end for Matusz, as we were saving at least $3-4 for Sean Rodriguez, the soon to be 2B for TB.

CarGo went pretty late, too, if I recall correctly, so we may not have had the $ budgeted at that point. But we weren't as sold on him as you are.

In my 3 ESPN auctions with NFBC guys, CarGo went for exactly $17 in each.

jamesmaples · Post by **jamesmaples** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:35 pm

What kind of stat line does everyone think that he will have with a 6th round pick?

jamesmaples · Post by **jamesmaples** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:45 pm

What about his 2008 stats .242 13 hrs 26 rbi 31 runs and 4 sb's in 302 AB's

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:52 pm

Originally posted by jamesmaples:

What about his 2008 stats .242 13 hrs 26 rbi 31 runs and 4 sb's in 302 AB's as indicated in post 1, we are dealing with a small sample size of at bats. CarGo is certainly in the high risk / high reward camp. draft at your own peril.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:27 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Not enough $ at the end for Matusz, as we were saving at least $3-4 for Sean Rodriguez

S.Rodriquez went for $7 in our auction. Again, shark infested waters leave less profit. For $7, he better damn well produce! I have my doubts. K rate in majors just too bad to ignore.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:32 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

truth be told, i just think east coasters (on average) are more analytical than people anywhere else in the country. Western and middle states were thinking egotistical, but analytical works too.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:35 am

WOW!

Small sample, yada ya, but aside from two caught stealings

, Cargo has flat out blown up so far.

4 for 5

2 for 5

2 for 3 so far today!

Oaktown · Post by **Oaktown** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:39 am

Which skills do you include in your comp machine?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:40 am

lance- what is he "on pace for". i will help out: sb's= 0. you do the rest. i would ask a tech guy from fanball but the answer would look like this a.?'4sd`=43@m

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:29 am

The opposite of "On Pace" would probably be "He's due".

Last night Juan Pierre came up in the 9th inning of a 3-3 game, the announcers were something like this-

Announcer 1- Pierre is leading off the 9th, how about a home run, Juan.

Announcer 2- Uh, well, Pierre didn't homer all of last year.

Announcer 1- He's due!

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:42 am

Looks like Carlos could be headed to the DL.

Carlos Gonzalez's tight hamstring will be evaluated today, and if it hasn't shown much improvement, he could be headed to the DL, according to the Denver Post's Troy Renck

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:14 am

100% lock he is going to DL. sniffed that one out last sunday. picked up s.smith. small consolation