Formatting of stats reports

Schwartzstops · Post by **Schwartzstops** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:34 pm

Greg, Tom, et al, I know this is not as important as getting the stats and rosters right, but the formatting and layout of the various reports also could use some attention. They're not easily readable by anyone used to seeing stats in a certain layout in newspapers, baseball cards, web sites, etc. May I suggest re-ordering and re-formatting the various stats reports as follows:

1. Standings on league home pages

* Properly format AVG (.000), ERA (0.000) and WHIP (0.000)

* Re-order pitching columns: W, SV, ERA, SO, WHIP

2. Team stats page:

* Properly format AVG (.000), OBP (.000), SLG (.000), IP (0.0), ERA (0.000) and WHIP (0.000)

* Re-order batting columns: AVG, AB, R, HR, HR, RBI, SB, BB, HBP, OBP, SLG

* Re-order pitching columns: W, L, SV, ERA, GS, HLD, IP, H, ER, BB, SO, WHIP

3. Live scoring page:

* Show daily totals, not just YTD

Properly format AVG, IP, ERA and WHIP (all as above)

* Re-order batting columns: AVG, AB, R, H, HR, RBI, SB

* Re-order pitching columns: W, SV, ERA, IP, H, ER, BB, SO, WHIP

And, in all stats tables on all pages, all values should be centered in their columns (or at least right-justified) for easier readability.

Getting accurate data in there is of course the first priority and I appreciate the hard work you guys are doing to make it so, but improving the presentation should follow as time allows.

Thanks,

Cory

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:41 pm

Coming from an MLB.com employee, I think these are good and worthy suggestions. Thanks Cory. I'll pass them on and I agree.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:43 pm

Originally posted by Schwartzstops:

3. Live scoring page:

* Show daily totals, not just YTD

If possible, it would be a welcome addition to "live stats" to see the daily totals, as well as a weekly total and season total...all separate.

This would be considered an upgrade over what STATS did. I'd give it a bases clearing triple!

[ April 07, 2010, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:51 pm

Originally posted by Schwartzstops:

Greg, Tom, et al, I know this is not as important as getting the stats and rosters right, but the formatting and layout of the various reports also could use some attention. They're not easily readable by anyone used to seeing stats in a certain layout in newspapers, baseball cards, web sites, etc. May I suggest re-ordering and re-formatting the various stats reports as follows:

1. Standings on league home pages

* Properly format AVG (.000), ERA (0.000) and WHIP (0.000)

* Re-order pitching columns: W, SV, ERA, SO, WHIP

2. Team stats page:

* Properly format AVG (.000), OBP (.000), SLG (.000), IP (0.0), ERA (0.000) and WHIP (0.000)

* Re-order batting columns: AVG, AB, R, HR, HR, RBI, SB, BB, HBP, OBP, SLG

* Re-order pitching columns: W, L, SV, ERA, GS, HLD, IP, H, ER, BB, SO, WHIP

3. Live scoring page:

* Show daily totals, not just YTD

Properly format AVG, IP, ERA and WHIP (all as above)

* Re-order batting columns: AVG, AB, R, H, HR, RBI, SB

* Re-order pitching columns: W, SV, ERA, IP, H, ER, BB, SO, WHIP

And, in all stats tables on all pages, all values should be centered in their columns (or at least right-justified) for easier readability.

Getting accurate data in there is of course the first priority and I appreciate the hard work you guys are doing to make it so, but improving the presentation should follow as time allows.

Thanks,

Cory Don't like the ordering, not good for fantasy.

[ April 07, 2010, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:53 pm

Far more logical for fantasy purposes:

H-AB should be grouped together

R-RBI should be together

HR-SB should be together

K-BB (for batters) should be together

For pitching stats:

ERA-WHIP should be grouped together

Also, batter K's is an absolute must for both the stats page and FAAB, and likewise HR allowed for pitchers.

Also need to show GS (games started) for pitchers and games played for hitters.

Other than that, I agree with Cory's post.

[ April 07, 2010, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Schwartzstops · Post by **Schwartzstops** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:28 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Far more logical for fantasy purposes:

H-AB should be grouped together

R-RBI should be together

HR-SB should be together

K-BB (for batters) should be together

For pitching stats:

ERA-WHIP should be grouped together

Also, batter K's is an absolute must for both the stats page and FAAB, and likewise HR allowed for pitchers.

Also need to show GS (games started) for pitchers and games played for hitters.

Other than that, I agree with Cory's post. Personally I'd rather see the stats ordered as I would see them in a box score or the stats page of my favorite web site or newspaper (yes, I'm that old), because to me familiarity is synonymous with "fantasy friendly." But, anything would be better than the apparently random order we have now! Thanks in advance to Greg and co. for whatever improvements can be made.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:37 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Far more logical for fantasy purposes:

H-AB should be grouped together

R-RBI should be together

HR-SB should be together

K-BB (for batters) should be together

For pitching stats:

ERA-WHIP should be grouped together

Also, batter K's is an absolute must for both the stats page and FAAB, and likewise HR allowed for pitchers.

Also need to show GS (games started) for pitchers and games played for hitters.

Other than that, I agree with Cory's post. I would prefer grouping like this as well. Right now they don't flow. Thanks

JerseyHitman · Post by **JerseyHitman** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:56 pm

I have another minor suggestion for the live scoring page. If you could slide down the live standings and put them right next to your teams lineup. As it stands now you have to scroll up and down to see both the live standings and your teams live daily stats.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:46 pm

Calculations for ERA and WHIP on the live scoring page look wrong.

Not sure why, but I'm guessing it might be that what shows as 6.2 IP, for example, is being calculated as "6.2000" IP rather than "6.6667" IP.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:54 am

Not sure i agree with these suggestions. I want the 5 cats for hitters and 5 cats for Pitchers together. For my tastes we could do away with some of this clutter. hbp,bb,obp,slg cat for hitters are useless to see imo. You could get rid of these and maybe add a GP column. Really dont need a hit column either just ab and ave. for pitchers the hld column is completly useless and really dont see the need for some of the other clutter.

[ April 08, 2010, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: Bama ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:07 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Calculations for ERA and WHIP on the live scoring page look wrong.

Not sure why, but I'm guessing it might be that what shows as 6.2 IP, for example, is being calculated as "6.2000" IP rather than "6.6667" IP. I was told last night the 6.2 is being calculated as 6.6667. Please email me an example of this where it is wrong on your team page and I'll send that email directly to IT. I'm at [email protected]. If I get several examples I'll post to shut off the floodgates and we'll get it fixed!!

Thanks all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:08 am

Originally posted by Bama:

Not sure i agree with these suggestions. I want the 5 cats for hitters and 5 cats for Pitchers together. For my tastes we could do away with some of this clutter. hbp,bb,obp,slg cat for hitters are useless to see imo. You could get rid of these and maybe add a GP column. Really dont need a hit column either just ab and ave. for pitchers the hld column is completly useless and really dont see the need for some of the other clutter. Thanks for all the suggestions here. Let me take a good, long look at this today and make some suggestions formally to John and his team and see if we can't get this a little cleaner going forward. It should reflect a mix of what everyone is asking for here. Give us a little bit on this and we'll get this flowing better.

edelman24 · Post by **edelman24** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:15 am

Guys,

I'm still not able to get any data when I run the team stats report for YESTERDAY stats. Please put this on the agenda to get updated if its not there already. Thanks.

Mike

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:28 am

Does anybody see any value at all in the video?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:33 am

Originally posted by edelman24:

Guys,

I'm still not able to get any data when I run the team stats report for YESTERDAY stats. Please put this on the agenda to get updated if its not there already. Thanks.

Mike This will be done shortly Mike, hopefully today. We will just add another drop down line that says YESTERDAY on it with the complete day's stats. Thanks for suggesting it and the we have the data stored for all of this; now we just need to display it.

BigHurt · Post by **BigHurt** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:07 am

Without the video how would I get the "Owner's edge" on my competition?

JohnP · Post by **JohnP** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:08 am

Simple question - bunch of early games today and I am trying to see if I have any starting pitchers going today. How do I see this? I go to roster and I only see the Fri - Sun games. I see no way to see the current week. I try live scoring and I get some sort of pop-up that says try back later or something like that. Any suggestions?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:22 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Does anybody see any value at all in the video? No, it's a waste of loading time and precious real estate. Put the standings and lge msg board at the top of the home page.

Also, fix the lge message board. It should show recent posts, instead all we see is the the first post in the first thread created - can't even tell if anyone responded without clicking thru.

The commish message box should be below the message board. With all due respect to Greg, I don't need to read this 8 million times over the course of the season ...

"Welcome to the 2010 NFBC season. It's a new season, a new time to crown a champion, and as you can see a new web site. The NFBC game site has been enhanced considerably with all of the same features you had before but with a better look and feel. Give your game site a test ride for now and let us know what you think. If you have any feedback or questions, contact us at [email protected]. Enjoy the ride and good luck in all of your leagues this upcoming season.

- The Commish

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:35 am

When you click on YTD fantasy stats it shows all blanks. We can see stats for individual scoring periods, but not YTD.

Scared $ Dont Make $ · Post by **Scared $ Dont Make $** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:08 am

I emailed this to Greg yesterday:

Just some design suggestions (should be simple to “programmer”)

Team Stats page

Hitters:

Name, Team, Pos, AB, Hits, BA, HR, RBI, SB, Runs and the remaining no one cares so whatever order

The major change is getting Hits, Abs and BA in the same area so we can read it easier

Pitching, move Earned Runs in to the more relevant section

Suggest:

Name, Team, Pos, IP, W, SV, ERA, WHIP, K, Hits, Walks and the remaining no one cares so whatever order

This keeps the relevant fantasy stats up front.... sorry MLB guy, OPS and Slugging can burn cause they are irrelevant

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:29 am

I sent a revised suggestion to Greg this morning.

To please those who only want to see scoring stats along with those who want to be able to calcualte/analyze, I suggested showing the 5 scoring cats in the left-most columns with a vertical line separating the other stats to be listed on the right. I think this eliminates the clutter concern for those who want to see only the scoring categories.

Second suggestion was to have consistency throughout the site in how stats are presented - from the stats page, faab page, live scoring. So once we get used to the arrangement, we don't have to re-orient every time we go a different location on the site.

I also think the pulldown tab for standard vs fantasy stats can be dumped. If arranged properly and consistently, this is just another wasted click-through that we don't need.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:13 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I sent a revised suggestion to Greg this morning.

To please those who only want to see scoring stats along with those who want to be able to calcualte/analyze, I suggested showing the 5 scoring cats in the left-most columns with a vertical line separating the other stats to be listed on the right. I think this eliminates the clutter concern for those who want to see only the scoring categories.

Second suggestion was to have consistency throughout the site in how stats are presented - from the stats page, faab page, live scoring. So once we get used to the arrangement, we don't have to re-orient every time we go a different location on the site.

I also think the pulldown tab for standard vs fantasy stats can be dumped. If arranged properly and consistently, this is just another wasted click-through that we don't need. People can rip me if they want for this post, but that's okay. I haven't had as much time as you guys to go through every team page and see the features, but KJ was nice enough to call me this afternoon and walk me through all of the changes he would like to see on the team pages. I've noted everything and believe we are very close to having the team pages you want. And I believe they will be better than we've had before.

Of course, the flowing of stats and standings and FAAB has to work perfectly to make the enhancements appreciated, but I have to trust that we have that down now.

That being said, KJ is absolutely correct in some simple design changes to what we have in place now. We've already had some of this in the works internally, but this sums it up:

1. Reorder of the league page with standings on top, full featured league message board, player notes higher on the page and video under standings.

2. All scoring pages being completely consistent in the delivery of the order of the categories. We'll get that done.

3. Team Stats changing HBP to K's, Holds to Home Runs Allowed. Simple things like that, but meaningful to the players.

4. History of Cuts under History (that is coming soon).

5. Addition of Avators for teams.

Honestly, I think these additions and tweaks make the team page side very, very nice. I know, I know, you're saying: MAKE IT WORK EVERY DAY GREG. NO MORE SURPRISES. I get it, but I see us closer to what we had promised than some of the posts I'm reading today.

I appreciate what KJ has done. Very detailed emails with upgrades we can make easily. The time it took for us two to walk through every page was the same amount of time it took some to vent on the boards. Both are good for the souls; one may just help us all more.

And you are right for saying: YEAH, BUT THIS SH*T SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE MONTHS AGO. WHY DOES KJ HAVE TO TELL YOU TO PUT STAT CATEGORIES CONSISTENTLY ON EVERY STINKIN' PAGE? I don't know at this point. I just want the best product in the fastest amount of time for you and that's what I'm going to do right now with the IT guys. Get this sh*t done. Okay?

And then make sure each morning is flawless with delivery and each Sunday is flawless with FAAB delivery. And cuts and FAAB bids are announced timely. And just keep going and going. But from what I see on your team pages side, I'm feeling proud of a lot of that.

You can disagree. But now it's time to get it even better.

Schwartzstops · Post by **Schwartzstops** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:41 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I sent a revised suggestion to Greg this morning.

To please those who only want to see scoring stats along with those who want to be able to calcualte/analyze, I suggested showing the 5 scoring cats in the left-most columns with a vertical line separating the other stats to be listed on the right. I think this eliminates the clutter concern for those who want to see only the scoring categories.

Second suggestion was to have consistency throughout the site in how stats are presented - from the stats page, faab page, live scoring. So once we get used to the arrangement, we don't have to re-orient every time we go a different location on the site.

I also think the pulldown tab for standard vs fantasy stats can be dumped. If arranged properly and consistently, this is just another wasted click-through that we don't need. As the person responsible for (or guilty of) starting this thread, I'd like to say, great suggestions! Best of both worlds.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:46 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I appreciate what KJ has done. Very detailed emails with upgrades we can make easily. The time it took for us two to walk through every page was the same amount of time it took some to vent on the boards. Both are good for the souls; one may just help us all more.

greg - u are forgetting fanball had a good group of nfbc vets that were earmarked to demo the backend and faab process back in January.

yes, nice work to KJ, however fanball had a team of people ready to do this months ago and never followed through on what they said.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:01 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I appreciate what KJ has done. Very detailed emails with upgrades we can make easily. The time it took for us two to walk through every page was the same amount of time it took some to vent on the boards. Both are good for the souls; one may just help us all more.

greg - u are forgetting fanball had a good group of nfbc vets that were earmarked to demo the backend and faab process back in January.

yes, nice work to KJ, however fanball had a team of people ready to do this months ago and never followed through on what they said. [/QUOTE]Mark, you keep talking like you know the history of who we were going to work with on the back-end, which you don't. You don't know when the STATS relationship actually ended with us. That's why I'm not sure what you keep saying about November and now January. I don't remember you being in those negotiations.

That being said, correct, we had everyone to test this. In fact, we had years and years of an existing product that should have been able to run FAAB like it's run for Fanball for years and years. Obviously, something wasn't programmed right. Heck, forget about you; I wish I HAD BEEN PART OF THE TESTING MORE. Blame me for not seeing that finished product more and more.

The Sunday FAAB is part of the domino effect of some other issues that happened this week. We get that right and trust me this is a much better week. That was a snafu that shouldn't have happened. That being said, the standings not computing the right numbers initially is another error we wish hadn't happened. So it's a rough start and you said people are wasting hours because of it. Yet here I am spending another 10 minutes arguing over spilled milk again.

I'd rather look ahead and get this site where it should have been 4 days ago. Again, I'm always an optimist and I think we can get there very soon. I defended STATS for years and many folks wondered why. Now I'm defending Fanball and hoping that once we have this down we'll have a product that all you helped us build and we can make this our own product that WORKS EXACTLY HOW WE WANT IT EVERY SINGLE DAY for years.

Nobody can see that today and I totally understand. But leave me in my own dream world if you don't mind.