Integrity

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:13 pm

I apologize for not being around late this afternoon on the boards, but I had to sit through two hours of a JV girls' softball game in 35 degree weather. I am chilled to the bones still. The scorn of every Wisconsin parent is sitting through either girls' softball or soccer in the cold, brutal spring months!!

The games last forever and the mercury drops a degree with every walk or error.

I haven't had time to read the whole thread on Gekko's Week 1 moves or my lack of integrity or the contest going down or any of that. I got the gist of it from Tom while I was at the game. I don't mind people calling out folks on the boards if it's warranted, but the facts should be factual if you're going to call someone out. And Kenny stating that Mark made his changes an hour after game time looks good and allows for everyone to pile on but it's just not factual.

Anyone can see the timestamps of the moves each week on the league pages as every move is transparent in the NFBC. However, due to last week's FAAB rerun the timestamps for those moves are not a good indication of when they actually happened. Those are when Geoff or Tom were able to go in and make the actual moves for the owners whose starting lineups were changed because of the rerun of FAAB. I received 800+ emails between 1 pm CT and 10 pm CT that night, most of them roster changes, and just kept forwarding them on to Geoff and Tom and Customer Service in St. Louis to get done. They were coming in faster than I could forward them most of the afternoon and thankfully we got extra help in St. Louis to enter all of them by Tuesday night. So timestamps for any roster moves made last week could be as late as Tuesday or even Wednesday.

I don't know when Mark's are timestamped on his league pages, but I assume that's where Kenny got his one hour time frame. You can question the Padilla move if you want, but at least have the facts right and here they are:

We reran FAAB around 12:40 CT on Monday, with a few games starting at 12:05. The Dodgers-Pirates game was set to start at 12:35 CT. FAAB finished shortly after 1:00 as we tried to get it done before a few more games started. We announced the winning bids on league pages shortly after that and the first Lineup Changes emails started coming to me at 1:09 pm CT. Mark sent his email at 1:12 pm with all three leagues in one email, the fifth email of 800+ I received.

Now I had no idea what was going on in that game as I sent that email and the first 200 to Geoff to do. We all know now that Padilla gave up two runs in the first and one in the second. Maybe they were in the second at that point, I don't know. You can look. But it hardly seems like a devastating start if anyone wanted to start a two-start pitcher that week.

Anyway, again, I'm just stating the facts because there's a big difference in what someone insinuated and what happened. The computer reset starting lineups because of FAAB so only each owner knows exactly who they had started before FAAB was rerun and his email was about as quick as could be to me once FAAB had run. Lannan wasn't benched by anyone that I know; but it was up to those who won him in FAAB to start him if they wanted him to. I don't know who benched Padilla, but I'm sure someone can check all of that in the History links of each home page if they want and ask the owners why they did that. But just be aware that the time stamp isn't a good indicator of when it happened.

I did reject someone trying to bench Carlos Zambrano in a $125 satellite league as that request came in later in the day. I didn't see another one like that.

We did our best in a tough situation because of the FAAB rerun. I did and still do trust each owner that had us reset their starting lineups. There were seven games going on at that time and only two players had some effect at 1 pm CT.

Hope this helps and sorry I wasn't around earlier to at least release the correct facts.

M Co · Post by **M Co** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:23 pm

Greg- I know you were in a no-win situation, and that there's nothing you can do about it. And so I don't blame you for this at all. But Gekko admitted in the other thread he sent that E-mail after two or three innings of the Padilla game had finished. And in the pre-season he wrote a thread on how Padilla was a great play this year. So I don't buy that he suddenly decided a Jamie Moyer single start was better. So is it within the rules? Maybe. But you asked us to be honest, and many of us were. I don't, however, believe he was.

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:24 pm

Greg, GEKKO had no intention to taxi Padilla before opening day.

Take a look @ my league, these moves were made LV3 2nd weekend:

CATCH and ZAZIE Activate Michael Brantley OF 4/05/2010 3:48 PM ET

CATCH and ZAZIE Bench J.D. Drew Bench 4/05/2010 3:48 PM ET

CATCH and ZAZIE Activate Michael Brantley OF 4/05/2010 12:47 AM ET

CATCH and ZAZIE Bench J.D. Drew Bench 4/05/2010 12:47 AM ET

As you can see we taxied JD Drew due to Bosox 2 games in the 4 day scoring period and than had to email you our moves again due to the FAAB debacle. GEKKO never had Padilla taxied prior to the FAAB debacle. Bottomline, this player knows that GEKKO has ZERO integrity.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:27 pm

Originally posted by M Co:

Greg- I know you were in a no-win situation, and that there's nothing you can do about it. And so I don't blame you for this at all. But Gekko admitted in the other thread he sent that E-mail after two or three innings of the Padilla game had finished. And in the pre-season he wrote a thread on how Padilla was a great play this year. So I don't buy that he suddenly decided a Jamie Moyer single start was better. So is it within the rules? Maybe. But you asked us to be honest, and many of us were. I don't, however, believe he was. Michael, I can only respond with the facts. Only Mark knows for sure what happened there along with everyone else last week. Honestly, I was just trying to get rosters in as fast as possible and wasn't watching game results. Again, 1:12 CT (2:12 ET) can be verified of what point in the game it was. It wasn't 8-0, that's for sure. And I didn't read Mark's responses as I got to where my integrity was being questioned by Dohn and went to the past emails and just did all I could to verify the facts. Last Monday seems like a blur, but we did our best. The fact that any of us needs to verify our positions pisses me off to no end because FAAB should have run well that night and then we wouldn't be in this damn position.

[ April 12, 2010, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:29 pm

GREG -- I agree with M Co. I read the threads and nobody accused you of a lack of integrity.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:31 pm

Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

GREG -- I agree with M Co. I read the threads and nobody accused you of a lack of integrity. We don't need a lot of different threads on this. You can ask Mark your question here.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:32 pm

I see the torch and pitchfork crowd is in full force today. You guys have little or no evidence to condemn Gekko -- let it go already!

The only thing I'm sure of is that the website was a complete disaster last Monday. Everything else is speculation, conjecture or hearsay.

[ April 12, 2010, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:35 pm

The only relevant piece of evidence is what time Gekko sent his e-mail. If it really was after Padilla had given up 3 runs, combined with how STUPID it would be to start Moyer over Padilla, then that is a smoking gun. We wouldn't be piling on so much except Gekko has such a history of a being a jack*ss.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:39 pm

Greg: Look at Gekko's post under this..

Topic: Gekko- Your Team

posted April 12, 2010 05:27 PM

u could put a picture of you mom next to my winnings. wouldn't matter either way. i checked the email timestamp. email was sent at 2.14pm. who took him out after he got blasted? i belive the game was in the end of 2nd or top of 3rd. if padilla had pitched a shutout yesterday, all u crybabies would have to find something else to bitch about.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:42 pm

I gave my thoughts on this matter in the Rollins thread.

I will add one thing here. I think the intensity of the debate is intensified by who's at the center of it. I wonder if Joe Rookie had made this move if it would be under the same scrutiny.

Glenn

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:45 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

I will add one thing here. I think the intensity of the debate is intensified by who's at the center of it. I wonder if Joe Rookie had made this move if it would be under the same scrutiny.Mr. Schecter's post from a few minutes ago seems to validate this.

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:46 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

You guys have little or no evidence to condemn Gekko -- let it go already! KOQ, I'll give you proof, look @ your moves:

King of Queens Activate Brad Ziegler P 4/05/2010 4:26 PM ET

King of Queens Bench Joba Chamberlain Bench 4/05/2010 4:26 PM ET

King of Queens Activate Brad Ziegler P 4/05/2010 11:44 AM ET

King of Queens Bench Joba Chamberlain Bench 4/05/2010 11:44 AM ET

KOQ, from the looks of it you have PROOF....question for you to answer, where does GEKKO have PROOF of making a Padilla move prior to opening day? Let's tell it like it is, GEKKO simply took advantage of the FAAB debacle and NFBC will let it ride unfortunately.

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:47 pm

Yes, exactly. What's the proper saying, "you reap what you sow," or "what goes around, comes around?"

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:50 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

But just be aware that the time stamp isn't a good indicator of when it happened.

This is a rather important fact that I have made and Greg has made and people should not be in such a haste to ignore. Again, posting the time stamp only proves when Greg, myself, Geoff or the customer service people in St. Louis made the transaction. And as I posted in the locked thread, we were making moves for several hours due to the large number of lineups that had to be adjusted.

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:53 pm

Tom -- we know this, and it's irrelevant. Gekko stated he sent the e-mail after the game had been underway for a while.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:54 pm

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

But just be aware that the time stamp isn't a good indicator of when it happened.

This is a rather important fact that I have made and Greg has made and people should not be in such a haste to ignore. Again, posting the time stamp only proves when Greg, myself, Geoff or the customer service people in St. Louis made the transaction. And as I posted in the locked thread, we were making moves for several hours due to the large number of lineups that had to be adjusted. [/QUOTE]that is fine Tom, but why not look at the time of the e-mail stamp which Gekko even states was at 2:14 pm.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Catch:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

You guys have little or no evidence to condemn Gekko -- let it go already! KOQ, I'll give you proof, look @ your moves:

King of Queens Activate Brad Ziegler P 4/05/2010 4:26 PM ET

King of Queens Bench Joba Chamberlain Bench 4/05/2010 4:26 PM ET

King of Queens Activate Brad Ziegler P 4/05/2010 11:44 AM ET

King of Queens Bench Joba Chamberlain Bench 4/05/2010 11:44 AM ET

KOQ, from the looks of it you have PROOF....question for you to answer, where does GEKKO have PROOF of making a Padilla move prior to opening day? Let's tell it like it is, GEKKO simply took advantage of the FAAB debacle and NFBC will let it ride unfortunately. [/QUOTE]How could he prove the Moyer move? Moyer was a conditional bid for him last week, meaning Moyer never appeared on his roster until after the game had started.

As far as I know, he had Padilla in his starting lineup prior to the FAAB corrections.

What proof would you deem acceptable?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:05 pm

Originally posted by Larry Schechter:

Tom -- we know this, and it's irrelevant. Gekko stated he sent the e-mail after the game had been underway for a while. Larry, EVERYONE did. Unfortunately the FAAB ran after seven games had either just started or started 30 to60 minutes earlier. I wish we had rerun FAAB an hour earlier or hadn't screwed it up in the first place. We had 800+ owners send in roster adjustments after these seven games started and we trusted all of them to give us their true starting lineups. Everyone can criticize and it helps because of who the owner is, but few owners got their lineups in quicker to me and it's timestamped.

High Octane Baseball · Post by **High Octane Baseball** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:06 pm

The dude flat out said he sent the email a few innings into the game...he took advantage of the situation and thats just bushleague.

This is my first year here in the NFBC and quite frankly it might just be my last after having all the fun sapped outta this thing from the get go.

Everything is going to be questioned from here on out moving forward..and with this much money involved..that is NO WAY to run a biz.

The NFBC staff got raped on Monday because they werent prepared and its obvious Gekko took advantage of the situation and flat out has said he sent the email a few innings into the game..

NO TIMESTAMP MATTERS AT THIS POINT..

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:07 pm

There is no excuse for making a move after the start of a game. None. It's cheating.

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:08 pm

KOQ, fair answer on the Moyer pickup. Oversight on my part.

I guess what I should of said "where is GEKKO's honesty?" No need to answer as he was within the rules due to the FAAB debacle. I'm done with subject matter.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:10 pm

Now we know that a precedent has been set for the future.

lschechter · Post by **lschechter** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:10 pm

Okay, Greg. If others did criticize you personally, then I stand corrected. I am not criticizing you. You had no choice but to trust the owner's integrity and take their word for it.

Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, it's very obvious not all were honest. Anyone who doesn't see that also thinks OJ is innocent.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:14 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Now we know that a precedent has been set for the future. Correct. Let me refer you to the appropriate section of the rules.

Commissioner Decisions: All decisions made by the NFBC commissioner are final. Tough decisions sometimes must be made about eligibility rules, lineups, etc., and NFBC participants must accept the unbiased ruling of the NFBC commissioner.

Greg made a tough decision here. Maybe he would have done something differently if the website wasn't a catastrophic disaster last Monday.

It's done. Let's move on.

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:15 pm

Originally posted by ottawaclo:

The dude flat out said he sent the email a few innings into the game...he took advantage of the situation and thats just bushleague.

This is my first year here in the NFBC and quite frankly it might just be my last after having all the fun sapped outta this thing from the get go.

Everything is going to be questioned from here on out moving forward..and with this much money involved..that is NO WAY to run a biz.

The NFBC staff got raped on Monday because they werent prepared and its obvious Gekko took advantage of the situation and flat out has said he sent the email a few innings into the game..

NO TIMESTAMP MATTERS AT THIS POINT.. VERY, VERY well said. I agree 100%