Inaugural NFBC Hall of Fame Class To Be Named

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:08 am

Recently I was nominated for a high honor in the industry and I must admit that it really made me feel proud. I try to low-ball any individual achievements, but I'll admit that this one has me reminiscing about my career and making me feel good. I still feel young at heart and shouldn't be getting career accomplishments, but at the same time I feel good about it.

And after feeling that way I decided it would be stupid for the NFBC to wait 10 years to induct our first Hall of Fame class. This will be our seventh season of competition and we have already established a set of guidelines and seen some of the best players rise to the occasion. I feel like it's time to honor our top players and create our NFBC Hall of Fame starting in 2011.

Under the link above NFBC Players I do have a Hall of Fame link with some potential first-year candidates. Some players may have moved into the mix since then and heck, some might have moved out!!

But there's no question in my mind that I am ready to establish this Hall of Fame after this season and create a home page for this with our participants' accomplishments, photos, persona info, etc. And at the live events in March if they are all still participating, we'll honor them before the Saturday live drafts in each city. Hopefully many of them will come to Las Vegas with me!!

I'll put the selection criteria and more on this thread. But I hope everyone gives this some thought and helps us with the voting. Not every worthy candidate will get in right away and each year we'll add to the NFBC Hall of Fame, but I think this will be great for our contest and give our customers a reason to keep pushing and competing in every event they offer.

Are you with me on this one? The Inaugural NFBC Class of 2011 awaits. Who's worthy for the honor?

baggler · Post by **baggler** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:37 am

Great idea Greg. I was just wondering the voting is great but how many individuals get in in a given year there should be a cap? who are the individuals voting ? etc.It would be nice to have the hall of fame members to be given a vote or the ones who are strictly voting. My two cents. Mr Jupinka is a first year HOF imo.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:21 am

Great idea Greg. I will graciously accept this honor

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In all seriousness, make sure you make the first year just for the absolute NO-BRAINERS.

This first class should be like baseball's....Ruth, Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Honus Wagner.

This first class should be like the Rock & Roll HOF's....Elvis, Ray Charles, Chuck Berry, James Brown, Fats Domino, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Everly Brothers.

Every school kid knows who is in those first classes.

Our first class should have the same distinction, the same criteria. It should be filled with the no-doubters and the pioneers. It should not be put to vote so it's not a popularity contest. Achievement, epic achievement....that should be the criteria.

I think we all know who the No-Brainers are....

Again, I graciously accept this honor.

Glenn

[ August 29, 2010, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:36 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Recently I was nominated for a high honor in the industry and I must admit that it really made me feel proud. I try to low-ball any individual achievements, but I'll admit that this one has me reminiscing about my career and making me feel good. I still feel young at heart and shouldn't be getting career accomplishments, but at the same time I feel good about it.

Congrats Greg! It's nice to see one of the good guys win one.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:54 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Recently I was nominated for a high honor in the industry and I must admit that it really made me feel proud. I try to low-ball any individual achievements, but I'll admit that this one has me reminiscing about my career and making me feel good. I still feel young at heart and shouldn't be getting career accomplishments, but at the same time I feel good about it.

Congrats Greg! It's nice to see one of the good guys win one.

[/QUOTE]Absolutely. It says a lot about you Greg and what you've meant to this industry.

You should be proud. We're proud of you.

Glenn

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:08 am

Congrats on the award Greg. Good idea on the HOF.

TOXIC ASSETS · Post by **TOXIC ASSETS** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:03 pm

Greg,

Put up a list of the all time mpney winners along with their winnings, there's your hall of fame.

Call me a party pooper on this one, but aren't there better things to be doing? Making improvements to the website, scouting out new spots for next year's draft, finding more high stakes players, etc ,etc.

Just my two cents.

Sebadiah23 · Post by **Sebadiah23** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:24 pm

The idea potentially attracts more players.

-Craig

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:48 am

Congrats Greg!

To KJ Duke: You should post your NFBC owner rankings, or at least the link to it.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:34 am

Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

Greg,

Put up a list of the all time mpney winners along with their winnings, there's your hall of fame.

Call me a party pooper on this one, but aren't there better things to be doing? Making improvements to the website, scouting out new spots for next year's draft, finding more high stakes players, etc ,etc.

Just my two cents. Just don't agree with this. It should be about performance, not who happened to win the diamond league, or spent millions on a thousand leagues just to win back a couple hundred thousand. Greg might have a picture of those guys hanging in his garage but it's not because they are such great players. Personally, I like the voting idea. Choose the three no-brainers and have them vote on who gets inducted next year.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:45 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

. Personally, I like the voting idea. Choose the three no-brainers and have them vote on who gets inducted next year. [/QUOTE]Not a good idea.

Since 2003 when the Baseball HOF veteran’s committee makeup changed to become a vote of current HOF members, only 1 player has been voted in.

For every Lou Brock and Rod Carew, you have players like Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt that only recognize greatest in one place, the mirror.

Not passing judgment on any single individual in the NFBC, just an observation about the human condition.

[ August 30, 2010, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Navel Lint ]

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:53 am

Since this is the Hall of Fame, let,s take a page out of the MLB book. During the off-season (a good exercise to keep folks involved) everyone on the boards should be allowed to submit their candidates (no limit on nominee's), and whoever is on 75% (negotiable) of the ballots is in. Those selected will be judged not only by our hosts (they can vote too

), but by their peers. This would create a list of candidates for all to see, and give recognition not only to the upper crust of the NFBC, but all those players who receive little fanfare but are highly regarded by many of us. You'd end up with a pretty large list in my opinion, and each name would have a percentage of ballots next to his or her name, offering them the recognition they deserve as well.

If the first year is successful, participation wise, you can repeat the exercise each year thereafter. It's just an idea to keep folks more involved in the offseason, while building on the sense of community that distinguishes the NFBC from the rest of the industry.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:00 am

i'd suggest sticking with getting in on accomplishments. popularity contests were suppose to have ended in high school.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:44 am

Popularity is not what I'm driving at here GG, and don't worry so much, I assure you that you'd at least get a vote from me

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:46 am

Originally posted by Navel Lint:

Congrats Greg!

To KJ Duke: You should post your NFBC owner rankings, or at least the link to it. Here are the top 10 players on each list; the first is main event only rankings, the second includes all lges with entries over $300. I'll get these updated with Greg's help on lge winners after the season is over.

NFBC Main Event Top 10

1 Shawn Childs 300

2 Stephen Jupinka 270

3 Christopher Stephenson & Andrew Nolan 249

4 Karl Mische 204

5 Eric Price 191

6 Terrance Haney 187

7 Dave Clum 186

8 Rick Thomas 184

9 Mark Srebro 182

10 Lindy Hinkelman 178

The NFBC High Stakes Top 10:

1 Shawn Childs 4575

2 David DiDonato 3400

3 Stephen Jupinka 2850

4 Terry Haney 2375

5 Rick Thomas 2175

6 Eddie Gillis 1950

7 David Longood 1900

8 Lindy Hinkleman 1850

9 Greg Morgan 1725

10 Brent Grooms 1675

[ August 30, 2010, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:01 pm

Originally posted by Spartacus:

Popularity is not what I'm driving at here GG, and don't worry so much, I assure you that you'd at least get a vote from me

Bob - Whether I'm in or not is of no worry to me. I do know that championing the game's best is good for the NFBC. The only way I know of being the best is on the scoreboard. Someone getting in because they are friendly on the MB or because they go out of their way to help other owners isn't a criteria I would consider. Give them a humanitarian award instead.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:08 pm

Greg:

Congrats on your nomination. Can you tell us a little bit about your award: Kinda the who, what, and where. You've been very good to all of us on here, I'm betting most would enjoy the read.

Winning a title against your peers should make for an instant spot in the HOF. Each and every past Champion should be slotted in first. I don't care of that player never again cracked the top, it doesn't matter. If you've taken down a title - you make the first class.

While I don't think a person should make this class JUST because of earnings, a high stakes event in which you've take down more that one title also deserves instant induction. Team Longood is a perfect example using the Ultimate Auction as a baseline. I'd include repeat winners of the Super Leagues, maybe using two or three as the benchmark. I'm thinking Rick Thomas here, but I'm sure there are others and I do not wish to slight anybody. Figure if I plug Thomas I can stop off in Lewes for some free pizza.

Beyond that, the speculation and popularity contests will make this an area in which some come away with hard feelings. Incorporating some

of Spartacus ideas make a lot of sense, albeit the % may need to be raised. It should NOT be easy to achieve this goal. Finally, players with wins in multiple formats, as Greg mentioned, seem to be another area in which HOF status can be achieved.

[ August 30, 2010, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: Sack ]

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:20 pm

Suggestion:

Have an overall achievement list

Have a top by category list

Overall, I feel like accomplishments should be 95%+ of the voting, but I think that like the HOF there may also be some room to vote people in for overall contribution to the Community / Website / Etc... like how the BB HOF has inducted sports casters etc...

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:34 pm

There can be only one answer for HOF. Ryan E. Houston Must decide who is worthy! No other mere mortal is up to the task.

OK I'm gone. I just couldn't pass that one up.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:20 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

There can be only one answer for HOF. Ryan E. Houston Must decide who is worthy! No other mere mortal is up to the task.

OK I'm gone. I just couldn't pass that one up.

I would like to nominate Walla Walla for the HOF right after he comes out retirement for the 25th time in 8 years next April, a record that will stand the test of time.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:32 pm

Originally posted by Gekko:

i'd suggest sticking with getting in on accomplishments. popularity contests were suppose to have ended in high school. I think accomplishment should be 90-95% of it, but I think the last part could be subjective consideration. It's named the hall of fame, not the hall of winnings.

Going strictly on accomplishment, two guys are head and shoulders above everyone else in this league - Shawn Childs and Steve Jupinka. They've also been a big part of the high stakes community, which I think puts them in on the last 5-10% too as first-ballot HOF'ers.

There are a handful of other guys that are worthy of consideration based on a lot of success, but no one measures up to what these two guys have accomplished over the first 7 years of this contest; if you take your cue from the MLB hall, I'm not sure the first ballot should go beyond these two.

[ August 31, 2010, 02:15 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:59 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

i'd suggest sticking with getting in on accomplishments. popularity contests were suppose to have ended in high school. I think accomplishment should be 90-95% of it, but I think the last part could be subjective consideration. It's named the hall of fame, not the hall of winnings.

Going strictly on accomplishment, two guys are head and shoulders above everyone else in this league - Shawn Childs and Steve Jupinka. They've also been a big part of the high stakes community, which I think puts them in on the last 5-10% too as first-ballot HOF'ers.

There are a handful of other guys that are worthy of consideration based on a lot of success, but no one measures up to what these two guys have accomplished over the first 7 years of this contest; if you take your cue from the MLB hall, I'm not sure the first ballot should go beyond these two. [/QUOTE]I don't think the initial MLB Hall of Fame was limited to two players and I don't think ours will be, either. These are certainly two great players from the NFBC and on your rankings and my rankings they have stood the test of time. But I think there are others who deserve consideration and we'll look at the list once the season is over.

This could turn into a popularity contest, but I'm not going to let it. We'll seek input from NFBC members and get feedback from all of our longtime customers, but a lot of it will come from Tom and myself. And we'll use past data as the criteria we'll look at most, no different than how MLB players are judged. Beating the best of the best in different formats is key.

It should be fun, should be entertaining and likely will be controversial. But we'll continue to add names to the HOF each year and give people an incentive to continue to excel in the NFBC. It's designed to honor career achievements in this contest and I think there is an easy set of guidelines to go off of right now. We'll follow that and honor those deserving of this lofty status.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:11 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Gekko:

i'd suggest sticking with getting in on accomplishments. popularity contests were suppose to have ended in high school. I think accomplishment should be 90-95% of it, but I think the last part could be subjective consideration. It's named the hall of fame, not the hall of winnings.

Going strictly on accomplishment, two guys are head and shoulders above everyone else in this league - Shawn Childs and Steve Jupinka. They've also been a big part of the high stakes community, which I think puts them in on the last 5-10% too as first-ballot HOF'ers.

There are a handful of other guys that are worthy of consideration based on a lot of success, but no one measures up to what these two guys have accomplished over the first 7 years of this contest; if you take your cue from the MLB hall, I'm not sure the first ballot should go beyond these two. [/QUOTE]EXACTLY!

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:15 am

Good ideas. Spy suggests an overall achievment list, which we had in the defunct lifetime standings list. I'd like to see it brought back. I love the concept here, but if I have a problem with anything here it's semantical. There's something incongruent about active HOF"s (in MLB HOF's can no longer strike out with the bases loaded). I'd prefer Hall of Fame Track, In Waiting, Fantasy Fortress of Solitude, or some such thing. Perhaps a list of players with write ups on their individual accomplishments? Their should also be a years played criteria 5-7-10, before enshrinement. It's an interesting conversation, I'm off to work though. Welcome back again John, I know there's a category out there for you, and rest assured that you've got my vote