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Each of us, during the course of the day, do things that benefit ourselves and our families. Human nature. Nobody is immune.



When Greg brought up having the Hall of Fame early, I rolled my eyes. It's not that I thought it was a bad idea, human nature took over, and I knew that I wouldn't be included.



Since that post, I decided to dig around a bit into the baseball Hall of Fame.

The baseball Hall of Fame was started by a man named Alexander Cleland. During the middle of the great depression, he thought by building a baseball Museum in Cooperstown, that it would be a wonderful idea to boost tourism.



Cleland expounded on the myth that Abner Doubleday invented baseball and that Cooperstown was the birthplace of baseball.



Cleland brought the idea to Major League Baseball. Baseball Commisioner, Ford Frick had just visited the Hall of Fame for Great Americans and had the idea of starting the same for baseball. The building would be called, 'The Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum'. It was built in 1939, five years after Cleland's inkling.



The voting for Hall of Famers actually started taking place three years before erection of the building. Over 200 BBWAA took on the job of voting in the first group. A 78 member old timers committee was also formed, they were to consider long-retired players, but disbanded when they could not agree on the players or even the perameters on which they were deciding. Later, a smaller committee was formed and old timers got their day.



Since those beginnings, other categories have been formed such as broadcasters, writers, etc.



Although Cleland and Cooperstown benefitted from the the myth that surrounded Doubleday inventing baseball, Doubleday is not in the Hall of Fame.

Alexander Cartwright, the man who had more to do with the evolvement of baseball as we know it now, is.



Personally, I don't care how players from the NFBC are picked for the Hall of Fame. A committee, Greg and Tom, all of us, a mixture, it just doesn't matter to me.



What DOES matter to me, is that we would not be here, were it not for Greg's brainchild. We have each tortured Greg, at least a little bit, and some of us, more than a little bit, during those seven years. Through it all, Greg has stood tall.



The NFBC has grown, it has grown from Greg wondering if he'll get a new sign-up to when do all the sign-ups stop. Through different owners, the NFBC has perservered and kept most of its core players. We trust in Greg, and Greg has delivered.



Unofficial as it is, I nominate Greg Ambrosius to be the first inductee to the NFBC Hall of Fame.



Modest as he is, and turning a nose at the mention that he should be the first member of the Hall of Fame, it will be up to all of us to make this happen.

We should not take 'no' for an answer. It really is, a no-brainer.

It's like .001 of players that make the Hall Of Fame. NFBC will have 20 % in the Hall of Fame by 2015. It's a bad business practice. When people are getting in and others feel they should be in also.



Good luck down the road keeping everyone happy.

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

It's like .001 of players that make the Hall Of Fame. NFBC will have 20 % in the Hall of Fame by 2015. It's a bad business practice. When people are getting in and others feel they should be in also.



Good luck down the road keeping everyone happy. An excellent point. Someone is always going to be on the outside looking in and they may feel slighted that there not in the HoF. The players that would make the NFBC HoF are always going to be your best customers and by selection time do not need a HoF honor to keep them coming back.

In a game of stats, I would think the lists of championships, percentage of championships won, money leaders, etc. could be expanded and serve the purpose. If you want to recognize the great players, make it an objective mark that earns something. The "*" on the all-time Main Event list means something. "Three-time Past Champion" means something. An NFBC jersey for your 10th league title means something. All of these are objective, recognizable achievements that should be promoted and rewarded. A subjective HoF could be divisive and debated, much like the Baseball HoF. The only difference is that retire baseball players that feel slighted are not the customers of MLB.

But to Dan's point, if you have a HoF, then Greg is #1 on the list.



[ September 01, 2010, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Asumijet ]

Well stated, LONG GONE.



We already know who the best players are....they are the ones who take the other people's money. The ones who year after year make a living playing fantasy baseball (ok, maybe not, but add some extra income to their bank statement LOL). The Child's, Gekko's, Lindy's, etc, etc.

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

It's like .001 of players that make the Hall Of Fame. NFBC will have 20 % in the Hall of Fame by 2015. It's a bad business practice. When people are getting in and others feel they should be in also.



Good luck down the road keeping everyone happy. that's why it should be objective criteria

One stat, I think we are missing. That would be 'cash percentage'. How often do you use a'cash compare ratio'?



Are the best owners cashing 30% 40% 50%?

I think it would be nice to know how many leagues owners are in and what their winning percentage is.

For example: So-and-So is in 20 leagues. They win 2 out of the 20. The winning percentage for this owner is 10%.

A year ago I was able to look this info up and discovered that I wanted to avoid an owner in my league. Bob Mazur had a 50% or 60% cash rate.



'Cash rate ' is more important then an all time money list. If you do 20 to 25 teams a year you will become a member of the 'All Time Money List.' If you look at the list most of those owners run 10 teams or more per year.



The list may also comprise of winning the big one. Short term fluctuation is the most profitable. Winning a high stake league or winning the over all contest.

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

One stat, I think we are missing. That would be 'cash percentage'. How often do you use a'cash compare ratio'?



Are the best owners cashing 30% 40% 50%?

I think it would be nice to know how many leagues owners are in and what their winning percentage is.

For example: So-and-So is in 20 leagues. They win 2 out of the 20. The winning percentage for this owner is 10%.

A year ago I was able to look this info up and discovered that I wanted to avoid an owner in my league. Bob Mazur had a 50% or 60% cash rate.



'Cash rate ' is more important then an all time money list. If you do 20 to 25 teams a year you will become a member of the 'All Time Money List.' If you look at the list most of those owners run 10 teams or more per year.



The list may also comprise of winning the big one. Short term fluctuation is the most profitable. Winning a high stake league or winning the over all contest. Bingo!



All time cash winners mean little to me.

They make good fodder for the magazines.

Most, are either former champs or those that participate in the extreme high stakes leagues. The win by a Manager in a Diamond League is of no more import to me, than the one in a $1,000 Satelite League. Talents are the same, disposable income not the same.



The dual weekend entrants have served to muddy the waters as well. Some can afford it, some can't. The some that can, will win more Championships.



A lot of questions will have to be answered as to the pre-requisite for the Hall of Fame.



What is more important?-

An Overall Championship or consistency in the Main?

Money or wins?

Level of wins or league wins?

Auctions or 12 teamer championships?



The money list that we see on the 'Home Page' does not include Satelite wins. These include the 'Hot Tub' League, the Shawn Childs League, etc. They are treated like the ugly step-child. Each league is important, and should be included on each players money list.



This money list should also include the money paid out by each player. That number may be far more interesting than the total number of dollars that each player has won.



Just my opinion.



[ September 02, 2010, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Well stated, LONG GONE.



We already know who the best players are....they are the ones who take the other people's money. The ones who year after year make a living playing fantasy baseball (ok, maybe not, but add some extra income to their bank statement LOL). The Child's, Gekko's, Lindy's, etc, etc.





Do we really know all of them?? How about James Stanard for the Hall Of Fame?