Keeper League

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:23 pm

I'm in a first year Dynasty football league with trades and having a ball.

Has there been any thought to a new startup NFBC Keeper League for 2011?

Glenn

Ratbeer · Post by **Ratbeer** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:27 pm

Let's get one going, I'm in

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:23 pm

glenn, i haven't done a keeper league in a few years, so i would entertain the idea. i'm not sure how Dynasty leagues work, but i would like to see the setup.

whipsaw · Post by **whipsaw** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:29 pm

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

glenn, i haven't done a keeper league in a few years, so i would entertain the idea. i'm not sure how Dynasty leagues work, but i would like to see the setup. Dynasty leagues are like keeper leagues, but differ in one major respect. In a dynasty league, players you draft you get to keep until they retire. Rosters are usually huge (though active rosters might be the same size as a typical NFBC set up), and the draft each year is reserved for new rookie players only. The idea is an interesting one, but I think it would be tough to pull off without some sort of penalty/down payment for each team that is held from year to year and would act as a penalty for owners who dropped from the league. It's easier to accomplish in a league of buddies for relatively low stakes.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:59 pm

thanks whip

is there a particular website i could go to and research the rules and setups for Dynasty leagues. i've googled it and yet to find what i'm looking for.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:15 am

Whatta ya say Greg? Seems like there's already some interest.

Can the NFBC program something for a Keeper/Dynasty type league? There's six months until Opening Day, plenty of time.

Glenn

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:45 am

Hi Guys, I would be interested in a keeper league too possibly, but I think it would be harder than in a league of buddies.

I have played in an awesome keeper league for years here in Wisconsin. We have 12 Teams and each team keeps 5 Players and 2 Minor Leaguers. We have a 260 Salary for 23 Players and also draft 5 Reserves each at the end of the the draft. Each of those reserve players is automatically 2 bucks and like your minor leaguers don't count against your 260. You have 30 players total when the draft is over. The first 5 Rounds of our draft are drafted and the remaining rounds are auction to fill out everyones team. Great mix.

Player Pricing. A player first gets his price where he is drafted based on the sheet price or the price he goes for in the auction, unless he was your minor leaguer for 2 bucks or a free agent pick up. Say I draft him and he is 4 bucks on the sheet he will be 6 bucks next year, 8 bucks the year after etc...always going up 2 bucks a year. Prince Fielder was a guys minor leaguer and will cost 12 bucks next year for him to keep vs. around 35 bucks on the sheet, great value. If you pick somebody up who wasn't drafted they are 2 bucks but its a Free Agent 2 Bucks...meaning it doubles every year instead of going up by just 2 bucks every year. 4 Bucks, then 8 bucks then 16 bucks etc..

We are allowed 12 trades a year and its kinda interesting because most trades are made to get a better keeper team or minor leaguers. Some trades help guys down the stretch too, while the other guy wants a great keeper.

Its a lot of fun, but I can't imagine how you could do it in NFBC year after year and without trades.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:52 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Whatta ya say Greg? Seems like there's already some interest.

Can the NFBC program something for a Keeper/Dynasty type league? There's six months until Opening Day, plenty of time.

Glenn glenn, do you have any info on baseball dynasty leagues?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:12 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Whatta ya say Greg? Seems like there's already some interest.

Can the NFBC program something for a Keeper/Dynasty type league? There's six months until Opening Day, plenty of time.

Glenn KJ Duke did start an NFBC Keeper League and has been running it for 3-4 years now. We ran it on the STATS site the two previous years but we didn't have time to create categories for salaries and other nuances to that game so he ran it on a different site this year. KJ has 15 owners that are pretty dedicated, but even then there is turnover among owners each year.

It's something we can discuss. Dynasty leagues are not something we have set up for the NFBC web site yet, but I already told KJ I'd look into this for him once we get other improvements started. So it isn't something I'd pursue right now, but we'll see. The ownership turnover is what I'd be concerned with here and I told KJ that initially, so you'll need a very strong leader of that dynasty league to keep things intact.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:21 am

Originally posted by Kentucky Reign:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Whatta ya say Greg? Seems like there's already some interest.

Can the NFBC program something for a Keeper/Dynasty type league? There's six months until Opening Day, plenty of time.

Glenn glenn, do you have any info on baseball dynasty leagues? [/QUOTE]Sorry Bill, I don't. I'm just having fun with my football Dynasty team and figured it would be just as much fun in baseball.

I'm sure the rules are something we can work on if this things become a reality.

Like Greg said, KJ has a keeper league in place, maybe we just mimic the rules for that league.

I'll see if I can find them.

Glenn

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:24 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

Whatta ya say Greg? Seems like there's already some interest.

Can the NFBC program something for a Keeper/Dynasty type league? There's six months until Opening Day, plenty of time.

Glenn KJ Duke did start an NFBC Keeper League and has been running it for 3-4 years now. We ran it on the STATS site the two previous years but we didn't have time to create categories for salaries and other nuances to that game so he ran it on a different site this year. KJ has 15 owners that are pretty dedicated, but even then there is turnover among owners each year.

It's something we can discuss. Dynasty leagues are not something we have set up for the NFBC web site yet, but I already told KJ I'd look into this for him once we get other improvements started. So it isn't something I'd pursue right now, but we'll see. The ownership turnover is what I'd be concerned with here and I told KJ that initially, so you'll need a very strong leader of that dynasty league to keep things intact. [/QUOTE]OK Greg, let us know if you guys can make the programming happen.

I'm sure the turnover issue can be minimized through a deposit that can be utilized to sell an abandoned team if the full value can't be recouped. That's what they did with my football Dynasty team.

As far as a strong leader, KJ seems to always be looking for new leagues. How about it Mr. Future Commish?

Glenn

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:31 am

Hey Glen - Any more Interest in your Dynasty League idea out there? What kind of $ amount would the league be based on. If its high enough, I would surely be willing to help form the league with or for you with the help of NFBC / Fanball on the software side.

Like I said before, I am in a great local Keeper league now, but I would be interested in doing one based a little bit more on NFBC rules and higher dollar amount.

Thanks

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:34 pm

I am interested in joining a startup Keeper league, but don't really have interest in running one. Greg's right that you need a strong owner running the league to assure that there's continuity year to year. I was kind of hoping KJ would jump in since he always seems interested in new leagues, but I heard through the grapevine that he's looking to cut down on the leagues he runs, not add to them.

We'd also need to assure that Fanball will provide the software to support a Keeper league. Greg hasn't advised if that will happen yet. Greg?

Still, I'm interested if one gets off the ground.

As far as pricepoint & rules, I'm open, but I copied the rules for the Keeper League that KJ started a couple years back. We can use them as a starting point and work from there if there's enough interest.

Here they are.......

KEEPER LEAGUE RULES

1. ROSTERS

a) A team's active roster consists of the following 23 players: 5 outfielders, 2 catchers, 1 second baseman, 1 shortstop, 1 middle infielder, 1 first baseman, 1 third baseman, 1 corner infielder, 1 utility hitter, and 9 pitchers.

b) Teams will also have a 7-man reserve roster, which will be acquired after the primary draft or auction through a serpentine draft.

c) In addition to the 7-man reserve roster, each team will have an additional 5-man minor league reserve roster, which will be acquired through a serpentine draft. Any player in the minors with MLB rookie-of-the-year eligibility for IP/AB that is not already on another team's roster can be taken.

d) Activating a minor league player to a team’s active roster would require a corresponding player drop to comply with that team’s 30-player major league roster. A team can choose not to activate a minor leaguer, even if he is called up to the majors, thus preserving his minor league status for the following year(s). However, if placed on an active roster for one scoring period, he loses his minor league status. Once activated, a player acquired in the minor league draft will carry a $5 keeper value in an auction league, or a 15th round draft value in a draft league. Minor league keepers may be kept indefinitely until activated by their owner. The first year in which they are activated becomes year-1 of their 3-year major league keeper eligibility.

2. KEEPERS

a) Each team may retain up to 8 keepers per season. Any individual player may be kept for as many as 3 seasons, after which he would return to the league’s player pool.

b) Each team may also retain up to five minor leaguers (in addition to their 8 keepers). However, any minor league keepers will reduce that team’s number of minor league draft choices by an equal number (at the back end of their draft choices) such that no team can have more than 5 players with a minor league contract (for purposes of this league) at any time. Only minor-leaguers that: (1) were taken in the minor league draft, and (2) have not been activated by their team’s owner, will be eligible as minor league keepers.

c) For draft leagues, any keeper that was drafted will take the place of that team's draft pick for the same round in which he was drafted. Any keeper that was a free agent pickup will take the place of that team's 11th round draft pick, or highest available pick after the 11th round. (Example: If a team kept his 11th and 13th round picks and two free agents, the free agents would take the place of his 12th and 14th round picks. The players' contracts, however, would not change to the lower round, even if they were kept for a lower round pick).

d) For auction leagues, any keeper that was purchased in the auction will retain his auction value. Any keeper that was taken in the reserve round will replace that same pick in the current reserve round. Any keeper that was a free agent pickup will have a $10 value.

e) Roster deadlines for declaring keepers each season will be:

(1) Four weeks prior to the draft or auction date each season, rosters must be reduced from 30 players to a list of up to 12 potential keepers.

(2) One week prior to the auction or draft date each season, rosters must be reduced to no more than 8 keepers (and up to 5 minor league keepers). From this deadline forward until the draft begins, any player(s) may be dropped (but not replaced).

f) A reserve round keeper in an auction league cannot fill one of the required positions on the 23-man active roster during the auction unless the owner at his option assigns that player a $1 salary, in which case he would take an active roster spot for the auction. Such a request must be submitted along with final roster cut, and is irreversible for future years (player will retain $1 salary).

3. AUCTIONS & DRAFTS

a) An auction or serpentine draft (depending on league type) will be conducted to acquire major league players. Draft order for each league will be determined by an auction for draft slots using each team’s $1,000 annual free-agent acquisition budget (FAAB) prior to draft day (date TBD). Any FAAB dollars used for draft priority will reduce that team’s available dollars by a like amount for the remainder of the season. After the first season, the league money winners will not participate in slot bidding. Rather, after other slots are acquired, these teams will have their choice of remaining slots within each league in reverse order of their league’s respective standings the previous year, AND they will have the average number of FAAB dollars from all bidding teams within the respective leagues deducted from their FAAB budget.

b) The draft league order will be serpentine for all 30 rounds. The auction league order will apply to the nomination order (1-15 for all 23 auction rounds, not serpentine) and the 7-man serpentine reserve draft. The 5-player minor league draft will be serpentine in opposite order of the major league order for draft leagues, but in the same order as the major league order for auction leagues.

c) The pool of players that may be bid upon for the major league drafts includes members of every MLB team who are on a 40-man roster. Unsigned free agents are not draft eligible. A major lge draft eligible list will be distributed prior to the draft. Players eligible for the minor league reserve draft will be those players currently on a minor league roster AND meeting the following major league service time requirement for rookie honors: pitchers with less than 50 major lge IP, hitters with less than 130 major lge ABs.

d) For auction leagues, each team must acquire 23 players less the number of non-reserve-round major league keepers, at a total cost not to exceed 260 dollars less the cost of major league keepers. Teams will nominate players for bidding in a pre-determined order. The owner will announce the roster position that the player will fill, although he may move that player during the draft to another eligible position to accommodate other players selected. No owner may bid for a player who qualifies only at positions that are no longer available to him.

e) For draft leagues, each team must acquire 30 players less the number of major league keepers. Any keepers will replace that team’s draft selection for the round in which they were initially acquired, or as set forth above if multiple keepers have the same round designation.

4. PLAYER DROPS

a) Any player that is dropped from a roster prior to August 1 becomes part of the free agent pool for the next transaction period.

b) Players dropped on or after August 1, which were drafted in the 15th round or earlier in draft leagues, or were acquired for $5 or greater during auction for the auction leagues, are out of the player pool for the rest of the year.

5. TRADES & COLLUSION

To prevent collusion, trading is not allowed. No collusion of any kind will be tolerated, and no one may have ownership or any beneficial interest of any kind in more than one team within the same league.

6. SEASON-FORWARD DEPOSIT

To help with continuity and owner replacement, team owners will be charged a $250 deposit on August 1st each season, which will be used toward the following season's entry fee. For a new team's first season only, the deposit will be charged upfront (rather than on August 1st).

Any team that does not submit a deposit after their initial year will relinquish control of their team as of August 1st without further obligation, but will not be eligibile to receive any winnings for that season. If a replacement owner is named in-season, that owner will assume full rights of ownership for the remainder of the season upon making the $250 deposit. If a team decides not to return after posting a deposit, the deposit will be forfeited and used as needed to recruit future owners.

7. PRIZE BREAKDOWN

First Place = $7,000

Second Place = $3,000

Third Place = $2,000

The balance due for the following season's entry ($750 after the deposit is applied) will be deducted from the winning teams' payouts, so all winning teams will be paid-up for the next season.

[ October 27, 2010, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:06 pm

Glenn,

Not to throw cold water on this idea, but since it will take programming, why not do next year? there are far too many things that are basic to add to the site (like a pick up free agent button on player profiles for example)

just a thought

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:51 pm

Hey Glen - I am in if they can do it this year. We have 5 + months before the season starts and the first year will be the easiest to do because its almost a standard draft. Based on the Prize money, it appears that it is a $1000 Per Year league which I think is fine. The Deposit idea is also good.

I like the way it is set up almost to a T. I think that you should be able to keep players a little longer though. Maybe you can keep a player up to 3 years, unless he is your minor leaguer. In that case you can keep him forever if you so chose. I also think that it would be cool if you could keep the 8 players each year and 2 Minor Leaguers that you have on your team if they haven't been called up yet or still qualify for the ROY Voting.

Don't know what being the Commish would all entail for a NFBC league, but I would consider doing it for sure....

Hope we can get this going, think it would be a lot of fun.

Max

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:57 pm

One other quick thought.

Do you think it would be cool to run this draft each year in the SLOW DRAFT format. Have your keepers and draft out to 45 or 50 players each and then have no pick ups or trades etc.

Just a thought, but the chances of getting everybody together in person every year for a league draft like this isn't good and we might as well take our time and have fun with the draft and picks!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:00 am

Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:

Hey Glen - I am in if they can do it this year. We have 5 + months before the season starts and the first year will be the easiest to do because its almost a standard draft. Based on the Prize money, it appears that it is a $1000 Per Year league which I think is fine. The Deposit idea is also good.

I like the way it is set up almost to a T. I think that you should be able to keep players a little longer though. Maybe you can keep a player up to 3 years, unless he is your minor leaguer. In that case you can keep him forever if you so chose. I also think that it would be cool if you could keep the 8 players each year and 2 Minor Leaguers that you have on your team if they haven't been called up yet or still qualify for the ROY Voting.

Don't know what being the Commish would all entail for a NFBC league, but I would consider doing it for sure....

Hope we can get this going, think it would be a lot of fun.

Max FYI - the current rules allow for 8 keepers plus up to all 5 of your previous minor lge draft picks so long as you have not activated them; however, any minor lge keepers will reduce your number of minor lg draft picks by the same number for the following year (so everyone starts with 5 each season). Minor lgrs can be kept indefinitely, until YOU activate them, then they have a 3yr clock like all other players.

Three years for keepers works well, it allows for a refresh period that isn't too lenthy which helps recruit teams that turnover.

[ October 28, 2010, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:05 am

Thanks KJ Duke, that makes a lot of sense for both the Minor Leaguers and the 3 Year Keeper Period, especially since there aren't any trades. I imagine that we will surely be able to get 15 good owners signed up for this league!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:22 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:

Hey Glen - I am in if they can do it this year. We have 5 + months before the season starts and the first year will be the easiest to do because its almost a standard draft. Based on the Prize money, it appears that it is a $1000 Per Year league which I think is fine. The Deposit idea is also good.

I like the way it is set up almost to a T. I think that you should be able to keep players a little longer though. Maybe you can keep a player up to 3 years, unless he is your minor leaguer. In that case you can keep him forever if you so chose. I also think that it would be cool if you could keep the 8 players each year and 2 Minor Leaguers that you have on your team if they haven't been called up yet or still qualify for the ROY Voting.

Don't know what being the Commish would all entail for a NFBC league, but I would consider doing it for sure....

Hope we can get this going, think it would be a lot of fun.

Max FYI - the current rules allow for 8 keepers plus up to all 5 of your previous minor lge draft picks so long as you have not activated them; however, any minor lge keepers will reduce your number of minor lg draft picks by the same number for the following year (so everyone starts with 5 each season). Minor lgrs can be kept indefinitely, until YOU activate them, then they have a 3yr clock like all other players.

Three years for keepers works well, it allows for a refresh period that isn't too lenthy which helps recruit teams that turnover. [/QUOTE]So whatta ya say KJ? You comin in to get this sucker off the ground?

Glenn

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:11 pm

I can only imagine what the first 5 rounds of the draft will look like considering the keeper and minor leaguer angle! Will Pujols go first? Doubt it!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:46 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by WINSTON'S EMPIRE:

Hey Glen - I am in if they can do it this year. We have 5 + months before the season starts and the first year will be the easiest to do because its almost a standard draft. Based on the Prize money, it appears that it is a $1000 Per Year league which I think is fine. The Deposit idea is also good.

I like the way it is set up almost to a T. I think that you should be able to keep players a little longer though. Maybe you can keep a player up to 3 years, unless he is your minor leaguer. In that case you can keep him forever if you so chose. I also think that it would be cool if you could keep the 8 players each year and 2 Minor Leaguers that you have on your team if they haven't been called up yet or still qualify for the ROY Voting.

Don't know what being the Commish would all entail for a NFBC league, but I would consider doing it for sure....

Hope we can get this going, think it would be a lot of fun.

Max FYI - the current rules allow for 8 keepers plus up to all 5 of your previous minor lge draft picks so long as you have not activated them; however, any minor lge keepers will reduce your number of minor lg draft picks by the same number for the following year (so everyone starts with 5 each season). Minor lgrs can be kept indefinitely, until YOU activate them, then they have a 3yr clock like all other players.

Three years for keepers works well, it allows for a refresh period that isn't too lenthy which helps recruit teams that turnover. [/QUOTE]So whatta ya say KJ? You comin in to get this sucker off the ground?

Glenn [/QUOTE]If Greg tells me fanball can host it I could be persuaded.

76erfan · Post by **76erfan** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:49 pm

count me in if we are doing this

Winston's Empire · Post by **Winston's Empire** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:31 pm

The thought of having a keeper league in this format, this amount of organization, and this dollar amount is very fun! There is nothing more exciting than having a team of regulars to grow and shape over the years! The draft will truly be a riot! I think it should be in the slow draft format, so we can soak every ounce of fun out of this thing! I AM SO IN!

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:39 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

If Greg tells me fanball can host it I could be persuaded. OK Greg, it's up to you now.

Looks like we've got the strong leader in place you said we needed (making an assumption here KJ )...and plenty of interested players.

So Greg, whatayasay?

Glenn

[ October 28, 2010, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: Glenneration X ]

76erfan · Post by **76erfan** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:33 am

I have alot of commish experience in other leagues outside of NFBC with keepers/dynasty and am willing to lend a hand with commish duties if needed.