Napoli for Wells

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:33 am

This deal will help all of the big free agent first basemen in 2011. The Blue Jays should be unloading some salary. We may have a new team in the Fielder sweepstakes.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:50 am

Unless the Angels are getting Drabek or Snider or $50 million or something, this may be the worst trade in ML history.

Does Conger get a shot now? They can't possibly give Mathis 400 PA. Abreu moves to DH? This all makes very little sense from the Angels perspective.

Napoli doesn't really fit with Toronto either unless they don't think Arencibia is ready. They don't really need a DH.

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:59 am

He will fit in with the Cito Gaston philosophy of "If it's low let it go but if it's high let it fly".

If the Blue Jays unload all the salary, Kid Blue Jay(gm) should win some type of award.

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:07 pm

For all you Omaha South fans. It takes 2-4 years sometimes to unwind the prior GM moves. That's why they should be given 5 to 7 years on the job before we start bashing them.

Paperboys · Post by **Paperboys** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:16 pm

Sounds like Rivera is headed to TOR as well, and a boat load of cash is coming with Wells to LAA.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:17 pm

There's no way it can be enough cash to make it a non-awful trade for ANA

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:20 pm

If the Angels are not picking up cash in this trade. It will be a steep PRICE to pay for not signing Carl Crawford.

duesman24 · Post by **duesman24** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:04 pm

Wells did have great yr so maybe angels think he is ok. I also bet tor is paying 20 -30 mil of it over 4 yrs.

Napoli will dh & hit 30 hrs as everyone that goes to tor gets Tiger dr bump if you know what i mean lol.

Juan Rivera gets same bump...

Cotton1 · Post by **Cotton1** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:04 pm

are they clearing room for a dh(Vlad?)

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:16 pm

According to Jon Heyman (SI.com), the Rays have agreed to terms with both Johnny Damon (1 yr/$5.25m) and Manny Ramirez (1 yr/$2m)

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:18 pm

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

According to Jon Heyman (SI.com), the Rays have agreed to terms with both Johnny Damon (1 yr/$5.25m) and Manny Ramirez (1 yr/$2m) Jennings is almost certainly going to AAA now. Probably will see Upton, Damon, Joyce in OF. Zobrist to 1B. Manny at DH

Paperboys · Post by **Paperboys** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:42 pm

Originally posted by moon over my hammy:

are they clearing room for a dh(Vlad?) I would think so. Abreu/Wells/Hunter with Vlad at DH is a pretty consistent veteran bunch. If it were 2004, they'd have the best OF in the bigs.

oldwolf55 · Post by **oldwolf55** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:20 pm

Originally posted by Hells Satans:

quote:Originally posted by Hells Satans:

According to Jon Heyman (SI.com), the Rays have agreed to terms with both Johnny Damon (1 yr/$5.25m) and Manny Ramirez (1 yr/$2m) Jennings is almost certainly going to AAA now. Probably will see Upton, Damon, Joyce in OF. Zobrist to 1B. Manny at DH [/QUOTE]No way they stick Manny or Johnny in the OF, they split the DH role and 4th OF. Desmond is starting.

Gates · Post by **Gates** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:57 pm

Originally posted by moon over my hammy:

are they clearing room for a dh(Vlad?) Seems VLAD heading to Baltimore..quite a nice offense on paper...

duggan · Post by **duggan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:11 pm

i think good for both,,,jays have been wanting to dump this contract,,,clear $ ,,,angels have do do somedthing after losing out on crawford andothers need to make a splash and wells will do good in this line up,,knudos to both clubs

Money · Post by **Money** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:14 pm

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

If the Angels are not picking up cash in this trade. It will be a steep PRICE to pay for not signing Carl Crawford. What a joke, they're going to pay this guy 20 and couldn't give Crawford 7 years? They will give Pujols a blank check if he makes it to free agency.

Tampa is the smartest team in baseball. They get 12 of the first 89 picks in the draft.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:10 am

Originally posted by Paperboys:

quote:Originally posted by moon over my hammy:

are they clearing room for a dh(Vlad?) I would think so. Abreu/Wells/Hunter with Vlad at DH is a pretty consistent veteran bunch. If it were 2004, they'd have the best OF in the bigs. [/QUOTE]Doubt they bite on Vlad. If not for the money Wells will make, I can see the attraction of having Abreu and Hunter split time at DH to give them a rest from the field.

If the Angels have any money left, I am betting they try to upgrade 3B or catcher. And they might give Conger a chance to back-up at catcher, but they just traded away a power bat with questionable defense, why bring another one up?

Not sure what the Jays were thinking other than to dump salary. Rivera, Patterson, Encarnacion, and Lind will split the time at DH, OF, and 1B unless Toronto trades for a full-time, big-time 1B. As it stands right now, Lind looks like the on guy who will get full-time AB, but even then I doubt he gets gets the number of AB he got in 2009-2010. If the Jays keep Arencibia up, then Napoli will probably poach some DH/1B AB.

Very strange.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:17 am

Vlad is going to the Orioles, which probably makes Pie and Remmoid close to worthless.

The Angels deal is awful on every level. There's really no difference between Napoli and Bourjos/Rivera and Wells/500 PA for Jeff Mathis. Yet they are going to pay another billion for it. Just awful.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:21 am

Originally posted by Fast Money:

quote:Originally posted by LONG GONE:

If the Angels are not picking up cash in this trade. It will be a steep PRICE to pay for not signing Carl Crawford. What a joke, they're going to pay this guy 20 and couldn't give Crawford 7 years? They will give Pujols a blank check if he makes it to free agency.

Tampa is the smartest team in baseball. They get 12 of the first 89 picks in the draft. [/QUOTE]Not sure I agree. No, I am sure. I don't agree!

The Rays biggest need is 1B unless anyone things Dan Johnson can hold down the bag all year. Why pay for two DH's? Damon is less than adequate in the field and Manny is worse, but having both means one will probably play the field which only hurts Jennings, who has nothing to prove at AAA. Joyce is screwed again. If you want a full time DH, fine, pay for one and let Jennings and Joyce battle it out in spring training for one or two outfield spots.

The Rays are in trouble. Starting pitching is fine, but young and I bet they miss Garza before the year is out. The bullpen is a wreck with no proven closer. Brignac at SS has potential but has to show he can do it in the majors day in and day out though he and Longoria are the only ones I see with job security. Upton is a head case.

It just seems to me that Tampa is imploding. They could easily finish fourth in that division this year.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:01 am

The Angels will pay a combined $52.4 million to three center fielders next season — Wells, Torii Hunter and Gary Matthews Jr., who no longer is with the club. And, if the team commits to Peter Bourjos in center, it is possible that none of them will be in center field!

Ken Rosenthal

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:50 am

Kid Blue Jay is becoming one of my favorite GM's.

Are Angle fans happy with there end of the Deal?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:20 pm

Napoli for Francisco. Both their values go up. Young, Torrealba, and Moreland all lose AB and value. So long to any real chance of Feliz going into the rotation.

How long before the Rangers trade Young?

[ January 26, 2011, 05:23 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:40 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fast Money:

[qb] [QUOTE] Upton is a head case.

It just seems to me that Tampa is imploding. They could easily finish fourth in that division this year. Yeah...but...Bringing in a couple of veterans to be a good influence on Upton to help him keep his head on straight...

swampass · Post by **swampass** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:17 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fast Money:

[qb] [QUOTE] Upton is a head case.

It just seems to me that Tampa is imploding. They could easily finish fourth in that division this year. Yeah...but...Bringing in a couple of veterans to be a good influence on Upton to help him keep his head on straight... [/QUOTE]surely you cant be serious?? manny is coming in to show upton how to do it? thats some funny $&^%^& man. funny... upton does need some tips on how to throw old men to the ground.

i agree with whoever said that they would have been ok with one of these two old farts. manny makes sense as a full time dh. damon? good god no. you are just blocking jennings and joyce for a guy who maybe hits 280 and plays brutal defense. this was a very stupid play in my book, but who knows, jesus could surprise i suppose. he is jesus.

all i know is that they would have been much better off spending that 5.5 million on their bullpen because its a whose who of nobodies. their rotation is pretty freaking good but with that cast of characters closing out games does even one of those starters finish with 10 wins?

ps i think jennings starts in AAA.