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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:45 am

We have a funny hobby. It's not like gardening, or stamp collecting, or crosswords, or even chess.

We don't necessarily get better at it as we accumulate experience and knowledge of the game and how to apply it to fantasy teams. In most other hobbies and games, more experience equals better results. Not ours.



My friends know how cheap I am. Believe me, it was tough forking over $1250 to enter a fantasy league. My wife was shocked that I wanted to risk that kind of $$$. But after beating the snot out of local leagues and free Yahoo and ESPN leagues, I wanted to give it a whirl.



I was green in knowledge of a 15 team, no trading league, and expected to take my lumps the first year.

Instead, in 2005, my team won the first weekly prize of the season and led in the overall till September, then, my team went cold, another team got hot and I came in 2nd overall.

It was a surprise to me. I had faith in my skills, but thought that the experience of others would come into play. I proved that theory wrong to myself the next year. I finished 88th in 2006.

Not a horrible performance, but also not a great follow-up.



So, I started thinking to myself today about experience and our hobby.

In a lot of cases, experience blows :D



Last year, that loveable pig farmer from Idaho finished first in both the online and Main draft.

What a smart guy, right?

Now, schmart, this past year he finished 407th.



Two years ago, 'Some Assembly Required' finished first, he followed that up with a 152nd place finish. Before finishing first in 2008, Assembly finished near the bottom in 2007 at 345th.



'Fat Tub of Goo' won that year of 2007, he followed that with a 285th place finish.



If we were athletes, some would say we just 'got fat'. But, that is not the case here. And we all know it. Every draft is different, some drafts come to us, others seem to have wanted players flying off the Board.



These guys were not smart and then stupid. More so, it shows how each draft is unique in its own way. Then again, it shows the best can also be the worst, which gives a'rookie' a good chance of grabbing the golden ring.



Heck, if we want smart and schmart, we have it in the same year now that the NFBC is played on two weekends. Last year, Rick Thomas and Glenn Lowy played both weekends.

I know both of these fellas. Both of them, solid, savvy drafters.

Rick had a team that finished as high as 60th and in some league money, while also having a team that finished 394th!

Glenn had a team that was knocking on the door of an overall Championship, only to finish 4th overall. His other team? 382!



I could only think that managing these teams must have been like a threesome with Jennifer Aniston and Roseanne Barr.

"Uh, Roseanne, slide aside, Jennifer needs a little more attention, please!"



We'll see how Steve does this year. I don't want to jinx him in his quest for a double championship, but, the past does tell us just how hard of an accomplishment it is.



Perplexing hobby really, one year , you're the brightest bulb in the room, the next, wondering how to screw that bulb in.



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Post by MadCow Sez » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:41 pm

A threesome with Rosanne Barr and Jennifer Anniston...hehehehe. There's a mental image that equally titillates and disturbs.
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Post by Zazie » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:07 pm

Having faced Fat Tub Of Goo in a Main Event league this past year, I'd have to say his skills look more like those of an overall winner than like a #285 player. He taught me a lot about drafting.



The overall level of play here is so high that we have to expect a lot of variance in results. Very entertaining post, as always, Dough.

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Post by Glenneration X » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:08 pm

Dan, yet another interesting & thought provoking post. Thanks for the kudos in mentioning my Main Event squad last year that finished 4th overall. Not so much for mentioning the one that finished 382nd. ;)



After reading your post, I took a quick glance at all my league finishes last year. Turns out that the NFBC Main wasn't the only contest that resulted in Jekyll & Hyde finishes for my teams.



In the WCOFB Main, I had a team that finished 6th overall....but another that languished near the bottom for most of the year.



I had a pair of $325 slow draft squads, one that finished top 3 and earned a 2011 main event free entry....another that finished bottom 3 and was out of it by June.



I was competitive in all my satellite leagues, finishing 2nd, 4th, 4th, & 5th in the Hot Tub, Super, WCOFB Invitational, & SCL respectively.....but not one of my three Double Play teams finished within even sniffing distance of the money.



Anyone who looked at only my competitive teams and their finishes would think I was a pretty decent player. Anyone who looked at my other squads and their finishes would think I was dead money and would fight to register in any league I was in. Which am I? Who the hell really knows. In my own mind, I've convinced myself that my high finishes were due to skill, while my putrid finishes were due to luck. :D That thinking seems to work for me & my self esteem.



However, the truth is I'm just one of hundreds of people who play this game, all talented, all skilled, all with the ability to put together a great team, all with the potential to be outplayed by some of the other skilled players out there. It's why players much better at this game than me, much more accomplished than I'll ever be like Shawn, Steve, Mark, Rick, yourself and many others have put together bad teams on occassion and even have had off years. It's why these same guys deserve all the accolades they get, because they do perform more often than not, more often than most. Noone's going to excel all the time against this level of competition. What we can strive for is to be in the picture more often than not, more often than most.



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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:59 pm

Great post, Glenn.

I was hoping some of the fella's mentioned in this thread would respond with what they went through, both through the good times and bad.





I went through a virtual teeter totter having success, then thinking that plan would work again. Only to find out that player inventory and skills alter from year to year, not to mention a plethora of smaller items that change the landscape.



There are so many different ways to prepare for a draft. Visualization or scouting of players, value basing players, targeting players, numerish with number based theory, excel, published opinion...one could use one, some, all, or more of these methods, just in preparation for a draft.

The mind games this hobby provides, it's food for the soul. I defy any other hobby or game to match it.
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Post by LONG GONE » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:00 pm

Its because of peanut brittle! I have this addiction to peanut brittle. The day I can give up peanut brittle, I'll become a better owner.

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Post by Quahogs » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:38 am

Dough, if you have the time, how about an analysis of all the double entry players. How many improved their results from the 2nd week over the 1st. Off the top of my head I myself, Gek, and Glenn all improved dramatically? That goes to show there is a learning curve. Us monkeys can be taught new tricks from one week to the next :D . Could be the % of game play over luck is wider than we thought.

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Post by rockitsauce » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:40 am

I'm addicted to mock drafts. I try to only do the 15 tm NFBC ones, but no matter there's always a yahoo genius telling me why I made a dumb pick, lecturing me, etc.



I asked one of these wanna be Gekko's if he'd even competed in NFBC. He replied, "no, isn't that the one that a cow farmer won"? (as if Lindy's occupation implies he's some country bumpkin that just got lucky)



Knowing the type of individual I was speaking w/ I didn't bother to argue the magnitude of the once-in-a lifetime type achievement Lindy had accomplished. (The old adage about arguing w/ a fool seemed appropriate here.)



Instead I merely corrected him w/ this:



pig.



He's a pig farmer.
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Post by Hells Satans » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:47 am

In the ME, I finished 105th and 109th



In the Live DP, I finished 59th and 67th





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Post by bjoak » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:58 am

I could only afford a Rosanne Barr last year. :(
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Post by MadCow Sez » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:15 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

I could only afford a Rosanne Barr last year. :( more cushion for the pushin'
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Post by Glenneration X » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:33 pm

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Dough, if you have the time, how about an analysis of all the double entry players. How many improved their results from the 2nd week over the 1st. Off the top of my head I myself, Gek, and Glenn all improved dramatically? That goes to show there is a learning curve. Us monkeys can be taught new tricks from one week to the next :D . Could be the % of game play over luck is wider than we thought. Another thought provoking question.



Again glancing back at last year's drafts, it turns out that my better finish in the NFBC Main, the WCOFB Main, and my Slow Drafts were all the later of my two entries to draft. My highest performing of three Double Plays was my last to draft. I even finished higher in the Hot Tub (February draft) when compared to the SCL (January draft).



I'm not sure this is how it worked out for everyone, but it sure looks like I needed the practice.

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Post by team z » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:17 pm

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

I'm addicted to mock drafts. I try to only do the 15 tm NFBC ones, but no matter there's always a yahoo genius telling me why I made a dumb pick, lecturing me, etc.



I asked one of these wanna be Gekko's if he'd even competed in NFBC. He replied, "no, isn't that the one that a cow farmer won"? (as if Lindy's occupation implies he's some country bumpkin that just got lucky)



Knowing the type of individual I was speaking w/ I didn't bother to argue the magnitude of the once-in-a lifetime type achievement Lindy had accomplished. (The old adage about arguing w/ a fool seemed appropriate here.)



Instead I merely corrected him w/ this:



pig.



He's a pig farmer. I love bacon.



And I'll bet the pig farmer would be the first to tell you how "lucky" he was that season. And if he doesn't he's full of hogwash.



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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:42 pm

Excellent post.



When you think about, doesn't that make Gekko's cashing in 13 of 14 leagues in 2010, even more impressive? I am predicting that will never be matched in the NFBC again. It's a career year ---a Steve Carlton 1972 kind of a year.

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Post by Gekko » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:23 am

Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

Excellent post.



When you think about, doesn't that make Gekko's cashing in 13 of 14 leagues in 2010, even more impressive? I am predicting that will never be matched in the NFBC again. It's a career year ---a Steve Carlton 1972 kind of a year. you are probably correct, career year.



once i get more free time (should be by next year), i can see myself entering a lot of leagues and trying to duplicate prior success. probably won't get it, but it's worth a try

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Post by Cobb » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:32 am

Originally posted by the untouchables:

quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:

I'm addicted to mock drafts. I try to only do the 15 tm NFBC ones, but no matter there's always a yahoo genius telling me why I made a dumb pick, lecturing me, etc.



I asked one of these wanna be Gekko's if he'd even competed in NFBC. He replied, "no, isn't that the one that a cow farmer won"? (as if Lindy's occupation implies he's some country bumpkin that just got lucky)



Knowing the type of individual I was speaking w/ I didn't bother to argue the magnitude of the once-in-a lifetime type achievement Lindy had accomplished. (The old adage about arguing w/ a fool seemed appropriate here.)



Instead I merely corrected him w/ this:



pig.



He's a pig farmer. I love bacon.



And I'll bet the pig farmer would be the first to tell you how "lucky" he was that season. And if he doesn't he's full of hogwash.



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[/QUOTE]I usually stay away from posts like this, but unless you make it a habit out of making idiotic statements during mock drafts, I doubt Rockit was talking to you.



Sure Lindy will tell you he was a bit lucky 2 years ago, a little luck always plays into the equation. There's always injuries, etc that can derail you. But don't underestimate the job that Lindy did either. It is very difficult to win any NFBC 15 team league. Drafting a good team is only the start. Team manangement and proper use of FAAB is both difficult at times and time consuming. There is plenty of time during the year to screw up a well drafted team.



So until you compete in a NFBC league I don't think you should comment on anyone else's success...and if I'm mistaken and you already do compete in NFBC, then you should no longer associate yourself with being a Yahoo genius.
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Post by Glenneration X » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:06 am

Originally posted by Cobb:

quote:Originally posted by the untouchables:

quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:

I'm addicted to mock drafts. I try to only do the 15 tm NFBC ones, but no matter there's always a yahoo genius telling me why I made a dumb pick, lecturing me, etc.



I asked one of these wanna be Gekko's if he'd even competed in NFBC. He replied, "no, isn't that the one that a cow farmer won"? (as if Lindy's occupation implies he's some country bumpkin that just got lucky)



Knowing the type of individual I was speaking w/ I didn't bother to argue the magnitude of the once-in-a lifetime type achievement Lindy had accomplished. (The old adage about arguing w/ a fool seemed appropriate here.)



Instead I merely corrected him w/ this:



pig.



He's a pig farmer. I love bacon.



And I'll bet the pig farmer would be the first to tell you how "lucky" he was that season. And if he doesn't he's full of hogwash.



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[/QUOTE]I usually stay away from posts like this, but unless you make it a habit out of making idiotic statements during mock drafts, I doubt Rockit was talking to you.



Sure Lindy will tell you he was a bit lucky 2 years ago, a little luck always plays into the equation. There's always injuries, etc that can derail you. But don't underestimate the job that Lindy did either. It is very difficult to win any NFBC 15 team league. Drafting a good team is only the start. Team manangement and proper use of FAAB is both difficult at times and time consuming. There is plenty of time during the year to screw up a well drafted team.



So until you compete in a NFBC league I don't think you should comment on anyone else's success...and if I'm mistaken and you already do compete in NFBC, then you should no longer associate yourself with being a Yahoo genius.
[/QUOTE]I have to believe Untouchables was being facetious. If not, he gives Yahoo geniuses a bad name.



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Post by Thunder » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:08 am

I can personally relate to this subject in the NFFC, or the "Dark Side" as many NFBC'ers refer to. I'm a fan of the 14 team DC leagues in football. For those that don't know, it's an optimum point scoring system where you draft a team, as in the slow drafts here, with no FAAB. Your team is your team for the year. The difference is you don't set your lineup weekly. The best stats for players by position are your stats for the week.



Last year, my second in the NFFC, I played in 3-4 of these leagues, one being the live event in Chicago, with my best finish being 4th. Just so happened, it was high enough to get my entry fee back for that league.



This year, I participated in 5 DC's, culminating with the live event in Chicago again. I finished 14th, 9th, 10th, 12th in the early DC's, but won the live event in Chicago AND the overall.



I can't explain how it happened, except injuries or a lack of injuries. I do believe "more is better". Whether it's baseball or football, you get a feel for the flow of drafts as you do more. It gets to the point where you know who people are going to take, and don't be afraid to Zag when everybody else is Zigging.



I do think this is why we see the results like we do. Not many players are out to draft the same team in every league we play. We all have certain players we're high on each year, and if possible, attempt to get them in multiple leagues. But, we also like to draft from different positions so to have some variety in our teams. And if lucky, or unlucky, we get the players we're high on in later rounds than we did in the previous draft.
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Post by rockitsauce » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:33 am

Originally posted by the untouchables:

I love bacon.



And I'll bet the pig farmer would be the first to tell you how "lucky" he was that season. And if he doesn't he's full of hogwash.



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Lindy appreciates your love of bacon...job security :D .



I'm baffled that you misunderstood the intent of my previous post :confused: . I'll try to be more clear.



Certainly luck was involved in Lindy's success that yr, as it is in everyones' drafts to some degree. My point was this Yahoo expert was bragging about his success in said lge's...which imo is nothing to brag about. It's Single A, whereas (again imo) NFBC is the Major lge's.





I found this out the hard way in 07 (my 1st yr in NFBC) when Roundtrippers soundly whooped me & the rest of my satellite lge. If the only experience you have is 10-12 tm Yahoo lge, then you are in for a rude awakening here.



{*Keep in mind this was an NFBC mock. From what I've heard most Yahoo lge's are free, so what do you actually win?}



For him to dismiss Lindy's achievement b/c of what the man does for a living is beyond asinine. Even a pig knows that
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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:54 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Dough, if you have the time, how about an analysis of all the double entry players. How many improved their results from the 2nd week over the 1st. Off the top of my head I myself, Gek, and Glenn all improved dramatically? That goes to show there is a learning curve. Us monkeys can be taught new tricks from one week to the next :D . Could be the % of game play over luck is wider than we thought. Speaking from my experiences across the street, I know the experience helped me big time. I did three. Friday team was awful, 2nd one pretty good, and then the winner. I needed to learn what in the hell I was doing to an extent. I very much expect it to be the same way for me this year. Also the same thing in football for me most years. I struggled mightily in all the low buy in online games that I did much earlier, before rounding into form a bit.

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Post by 751542 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:47 am

an interesting topic and i too will chime in on my experiences in playing multiple leagues. i have duds and studs in the same year. i have great consistency in same years as well. one thing i havent seen written is when 1 or 2 or 3 teams start to excel, the others sats, supers etc and even sometimes the main events, start to take a back seat. i will never give up on a team BUT if i am sniffing 20k in a super and i am 105th overall in the main, my focus becomes the super! every 2 weeks, i would reorganize my teams in priority. i remember towards the end of last season, i was focusing more on my 12 teamer than my main events. its just the way you start to prioritize your inseason management. my poopy main event team last year was the 1st weekend draft, i decided prior to the draft i was gonna take alot of chances and it didnt work out. i passed on closers hoping to take advantage inseason and no bueno. its all good, studs n duds...i am ok with it as long as the end result is positive cashflow! :D
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Post by Glenneration X » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:57 pm

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

an interesting topic and i too will chime in on my experiences in playing multiple leagues. i have duds and studs in the same year. i have great consistency in same years as well. one thing i havent seen written is when 1 or 2 or 3 teams start to excel, the others sats, supers etc and even sometimes the main events, start to take a back seat. i will never give up on a team BUT if i am sniffing 20k in a super and i am 105th overall in the main, my focus becomes the super! every 2 weeks, i would reorganize my teams in priority. i remember towards the end of last season, i was focusing more on my 12 teamer than my main events. its just the way you start to prioritize your inseason management. my poopy main event team last year was the 1st weekend draft, i decided prior to the draft i was gonna take alot of chances and it didnt work out. i passed on closers hoping to take advantage inseason and no bueno. its all good, studs n duds...i am ok with it as long as the end result is positive cashflow! :D Good point Rick and something Dan and I were touching on in E-mails while discussing this thread.



I can honestly say that last year while bringing my teams to heights I've never experienced before, also brought some of my other teams to lows I've not seen prior.



In the years preceding my discovering High Stakes National Contests, I had finished in the money for my local leagues 8 out of the 9 previous seasons.

In 2009, my first year in the NFBC (and my last year with local leagues), I had 6 teams, finished in the money for 4 of them, and 4th and 6th for the other two.

I really had little experience to that point with cellar dwelling.



In 2009, my NFBC Main Event squad got off to a terrible start and was languishing in the bottom 10 overall as late as the end of May. Somehow though I managed to turn the season around and ended up finishing 46th overall & in the league money, reaching as high as 16th overall by late August.



Therefore I can honestly say that for the vast majority of 2010, I worked as hard on my bottom dwelling teams as those fighting for their league lead. I just always anticipated the eventual turnaround and climb up the standings. For some of them though, it just never happened.



I will admit that when I had teams move into the top ten of both the NFBC & WCOFB Main Events in September, as Rick allude to the lure of big money forced a tremendous amount of my focus towards those teams. I believe that only natural.



However, I never lost complete focus on my non-contending teams. My pride and ego just wouldn't allow it. When I was in the 400's overall with my 2nd NFBC Main Event team, I worked hard to get into the 300's. When I made it there, I worked hard to move as high into the 300's as possible.



In fact an example of what I'm attesting to is that during the season's final weeks, one of my major focuses was to hold off Bryan Vogel for 5th place in the SCL. By the time September rolled around, neither of us had a chance at the money. Still and even though it wouldn't make a bit of difference financially, nor bring any outside praise or glory, nor make any impact whatsoever in the grand scheme of things, I wanted it. We went back & forth those final weeks, but when all was said and done I finished ahead of him. I had held onto 5th instead of falling to 6th. Big deal? For some reason, it was to me.



Maybe it's pride, maybe it's over-competitiveness, maybe it's just a sickness , but I just couldn't throw in the towel on those teams no matter how lost the cause or how miniscule the reward.



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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:10 pm

That's what I was looking for Glenn and Rick! Good stuff!

I'm hoping some of our past champs can type in this thread about their great year and subsequent followup. It'd be an interesting read.



Even in years where my 'Jennifer Aniston's are not doing that great. I still have to give Roseann Barr some attention. Like Glenn, I know it's meaningless to everybody but myself...but I don't have to live with everybody during the off season, I do have to live with myself.
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Post by 751542 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:12 pm

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

an interesting topic and i too will chime in on my experiences in playing multiple leagues. i have duds and studs in the same year. i have great consistency in same years as well. one thing i havent seen written is when 1 or 2 or 3 teams start to excel, the others sats, supers etc and even sometimes the main events, start to take a back seat. i will never give up on a team BUT if i am sniffing 20k in a super and i am 105th overall in the main, my focus becomes the super! every 2 weeks, i would reorganize my teams in priority. i remember towards the end of last season, i was focusing more on my 12 teamer than my main events. its just the way you start to prioritize your inseason management. my poopy main event team last year was the 1st weekend draft, i decided prior to the draft i was gonna take alot of chances and it didnt work out. i passed on closers hoping to take advantage inseason and no bueno. its all good, studs n duds...i am ok with it as long as the end result is positive cashflow! :D Good point Rick and something Dan and I were touching on in E-mails while discussing this thread.



I can honestly say that last year while bringing my teams to heights I've never experienced before, also brought some of my other teams to lows I've not seen prior.



In the years preceding my discovering High Stakes National Contests, I had finished in the money for my local leagues 8 out of the 9 previous seasons.

In 2009, my first year in the NFBC (and my last year with local leagues), I had 6 teams, finished in the money for 4 of them, and 4th and 6th for the other two.

I really had little experience to that point with cellar dwelling.



In 2009, my NFBC Main Event squad got off to a terrible start and was languishing in the bottom 10 overall as late as the end of May. Somehow though I managed to turn the season around and ended up finishing 46th overall & in the league money, reaching as high as 16th overall by late August.



Therefore I can honestly say that for the vast majority of 2010, I worked as hard on my bottom dwelling teams as those fighting for their league lead. I just always anticipated the eventual turnaround and climb up the standings. For some of them though, it just never happened.



I will admit that when I had teams move into the top ten of both the NFBC & WCOFB Main Events in September, as Rick allude to the lure of big money forced a tremendous amount of my focus towards those teams. I believe that only natural.



However, I never lost complete focus on my non-contending teams. My pride and ego just wouldn't allow it. When I was in the 400's overall with my 2nd NFBC Main Event team, I worked hard to get into the 300's. When I made it there, I worked hard to move as high into the 300's as possible.



In fact an example of what I'm attesting to is that during the season's final weeks, one of my major focuses was to hold off Bryan Vogel for 5th place in the SCL. By the time September rolled around, neither of us had a chance at the money. Still and even though it wouldn't make a bit of difference financially, nor bring any outside praise or glory, nor make any impact whatsoever in the grand scheme of things, I wanted it. We went back & forth those final weeks, but when all was said and done I finished ahead of him. I had held onto 5th instead of falling to 6th. Big deal? For some reason, it was to me.



Maybe it's pride, maybe it's over-competitiveness, maybe it's just a sickness , but I just couldn't throw in the towel on those teams no matter how lost the cause or how miniscule the reward.



Glenn
[/QUOTE]nice job glenn and for these reasons you will be respected and feared for years to come!! i see some big cks coming your way and congrats on a great 2010!! now stay out of my leagues!! ;)
" i have never lost...just ran out of time!"

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Post by Cocktails and Dreams » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:14 pm

It is human nature to not care quite as much about the failed teams. Having not played much baseball over the years but well over 100 football teams a year, I do try and take it as seriously as possible so as not to mess up the league for everyone. If someone is playing my team in week 1 when we are both 0-0 I should try just as hard to win as in week 13 and I am 3-9.



While not experienced at all in baseball, I think my rule of thumb will be to play it out as hard as reasonably allowable on the failed efforts, while not looking at who needs me to do what to benefit. Try and maximize my roto points, not try to help or hurt anyone else. By doing that, I should be doing my part to maintain the integrity of the league. I am sure I will find it easier said than done to maintain focus, but that will be what I attempt to do.

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