30/30 Stuff
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:39 am
Next time you see a projection for 30-30 or draft a player and think he has a chance at 30-30, remember this...
11 current players have gone 30/30
Nobody did it last year
Only three players have done it over the last three years. Two of them are now, big question marks. Hanley Ramirez, Grady Sizemore, and Ian Kinsler.
34 players have done it in baseball history. Ken Williams was the first in 1922. Playing for the St. Louis Browns, he hit 39 homers and stole 37 bases.
The stolen base was not a well publicized stat. There was/is a notation at the bottom of the box score. That's it. It just wasn't a big deal. Ty Cobb's 96 steals in a year was a record that only baseball nerds knew. When Maury Wills broke the 100 stolen base barrier in 1962, the stolen base was noticed again, but only for a short time. Brock, Henderson, the go-go eighties, and small ball all brought the stolen base back into the picture. But, would fade. It wasn't until fantasy baseball was devised that fans really took notice of the stolen base. Now, thanks to fantasy, the fan thinks that the stolen base is more integral to the sport than real baseball Managers. Go figure.
Sorry, went off course there a little with the stolen base thing. Anyway, Kenny Williams was not ballyhooed, his achievment was hardly mentioned amonst baseball fans or even purists.
It wasn't done again till 34 years later in 1956, when Willie Mays did it two years in a row.
Bobby Bonds did it FIVE times, but never received much attention for it. Later, his son, Barry, would do it five times as well.
When the feat became a little more common in the eighties, there was some talk of it, but it wasn't until Jose Canseco's 1988 run at the 40/40 club that these dual feats would be pushed to the front burner.
Canseco, ARod, Barry Bonds, and Alfonzo Soriano are the only ones to have conquered 40/40
Despite having the advantage of being the only players on the field till Jackie Robinson arrived, only 10 anglo saxon players have gone 30/30
Think about it, see how many you can name. I'll have the answers at the bottom of the post.
With all the money advantage and great teams, the New York Yankees have only had one 30/30 guy, Soriano.
The Red Sox have had ZERO.
Teammates have done it twice-
Howard Johnson and Daryl Strawberry on the '87 Mets
Dante Bichette and Ellis Burks on the '96 Rockies
In 2002, Vladimir Guerrero had 39 homers and 40 stolen bases.
Although Bobby Bonds accomplished the feat five times, he never hit 40 home runs. He also had one year with 29 homers and 37 stolen bases.
I t has only been done in the American League by 11 1/2 ( explained in next item) players.
Carlos Beltran did it while playing with two clubs in the same year, the Royals and Astros
There have been 55 30/30's recorded by 34 players. Before agents, steroids, and fantasy baseball that all started with the eighties, it was only done 10 times by five different players
Kenny Williams
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Tommy Harper
Bobby Bonds
Ten Anglo Saxon players who have accomplished 30/30?
Ken Williams
Dale Murphy
Howard Johnson
Dante Bichette
Larry Walker
Jeff Bagwell
Shawn Green
David Wright
Ian Kinsler
Grady Sizemore
One more trivia question since you made it to the bottom of the post-
Who set the record for getting caught stealing in a single year?
Hint- He never achieved 30/30
11 current players have gone 30/30
Nobody did it last year
Only three players have done it over the last three years. Two of them are now, big question marks. Hanley Ramirez, Grady Sizemore, and Ian Kinsler.
34 players have done it in baseball history. Ken Williams was the first in 1922. Playing for the St. Louis Browns, he hit 39 homers and stole 37 bases.
The stolen base was not a well publicized stat. There was/is a notation at the bottom of the box score. That's it. It just wasn't a big deal. Ty Cobb's 96 steals in a year was a record that only baseball nerds knew. When Maury Wills broke the 100 stolen base barrier in 1962, the stolen base was noticed again, but only for a short time. Brock, Henderson, the go-go eighties, and small ball all brought the stolen base back into the picture. But, would fade. It wasn't until fantasy baseball was devised that fans really took notice of the stolen base. Now, thanks to fantasy, the fan thinks that the stolen base is more integral to the sport than real baseball Managers. Go figure.
Sorry, went off course there a little with the stolen base thing. Anyway, Kenny Williams was not ballyhooed, his achievment was hardly mentioned amonst baseball fans or even purists.
It wasn't done again till 34 years later in 1956, when Willie Mays did it two years in a row.
Bobby Bonds did it FIVE times, but never received much attention for it. Later, his son, Barry, would do it five times as well.
When the feat became a little more common in the eighties, there was some talk of it, but it wasn't until Jose Canseco's 1988 run at the 40/40 club that these dual feats would be pushed to the front burner.
Canseco, ARod, Barry Bonds, and Alfonzo Soriano are the only ones to have conquered 40/40
Despite having the advantage of being the only players on the field till Jackie Robinson arrived, only 10 anglo saxon players have gone 30/30
Think about it, see how many you can name. I'll have the answers at the bottom of the post.
With all the money advantage and great teams, the New York Yankees have only had one 30/30 guy, Soriano.
The Red Sox have had ZERO.
Teammates have done it twice-
Howard Johnson and Daryl Strawberry on the '87 Mets
Dante Bichette and Ellis Burks on the '96 Rockies
In 2002, Vladimir Guerrero had 39 homers and 40 stolen bases.
Although Bobby Bonds accomplished the feat five times, he never hit 40 home runs. He also had one year with 29 homers and 37 stolen bases.
I t has only been done in the American League by 11 1/2 ( explained in next item) players.
Carlos Beltran did it while playing with two clubs in the same year, the Royals and Astros
There have been 55 30/30's recorded by 34 players. Before agents, steroids, and fantasy baseball that all started with the eighties, it was only done 10 times by five different players
Kenny Williams
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Tommy Harper
Bobby Bonds
Ten Anglo Saxon players who have accomplished 30/30?
Ken Williams
Dale Murphy
Howard Johnson
Dante Bichette
Larry Walker
Jeff Bagwell
Shawn Green
David Wright
Ian Kinsler
Grady Sizemore
One more trivia question since you made it to the bottom of the post-
Who set the record for getting caught stealing in a single year?
Hint- He never achieved 30/30
