All Time Draft Thread

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:24 pm

2011 All Time Draft:

You can draft any player who played in the AL or NL starting from 1901 to present (no Federal League players). We are using a 20 game minimum in season for the batting positions. If a player qualifies at multiple positions, you can move them around during the draft until you fill your roster.

For pitching, we are using two relief slots on the roster. A reliever needs to have 30 relief appearance to qualify ( – starts = relief appearances).

Format:

This is a standard 15 team Roto league. Each team will be drafting 23 players [14 hitters – 2 C, 1 1B, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 SS, 1 CO (1st or 3rd), 1 MI (2nd or SS), 5 OF, and 1 utility (any batter) and 9 pitchers (1500 innings minimum and 2 required RP’s)]. There are 10 categories – five hitting (BA, R, HR, RBI, and SB) and five pitching (W, ERA, WHIP, K’s, and SV’s). Each team will be ranked in each category from 1st to last. The top team will receive 15 points and the lowest will receive 1 point. Teams will split points if they are tied in a category. BA, ERA and whip will go to the furthest decimal point to break ties.

If an owner drafts a player in the early years and he has pitching and hitting stats, he will only get the stats for the position he decides to use him at. A hitter will receive no pitching stats and pitching will receive no hitting stats.

If a team fails to get enough innings, he will receive one point for all pitching categories. If a team selects a starting pitcher when he has only two relief slots left, he must make another selection.

This league will have running standings with the exception of rounds 5, 10, 16, and 23. In those rounds, we will be using a neutral party for our selection and the year of stats we are using. In each round a player will declare the player they select plus the year they want to use their stats.

We will be using Baseball-Reference.com for our stats. Their stats right or wrong will be our guideline.

Entry Fee: $140 (One player will play for free that handle the spread sheet details)

Payouts:

1st: NFBC Main event entry 2011 ($1400

2nd: NFBC $500 credit

This is a slow draft with a 24 hour clock. If a team is timed out, it will go to the next pick. After that player makes his pick, it will go back to the previous team and he will have two hours to make his pick.

NFBC All-Time Baseball League Draft Order:

1-Dave Shovein

2-Shawn Childs

3-Neal Moses

4-Brian Slack

5-Ryan Kelly

6-Glenn Lowy

7-Brad Warren

8-Todd Zola

9-Russel Wyatt

10-Jon Stadtmueller

11-John Pausma

12-Bruce Dahl

13-Mark Bendar

14-Steve Wells

15-Mark Sebro

[ October 27, 2011, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:35 pm

Let me first say, that I’m honored to have the first selection and to be kicking off the greatest fantasy draft of all time. The owners who are competing in this draft truly are among the best of the best in the industry. Whoever comes out on top, will surely have earned it, and will command all sorts of respect.

Many people that I’ve talked to seem to think that this first selection is an easy choice, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. This one selection literally dictates the direction that we want our entire draft to go. Take the top pitcher, and start your offense 28 picks later? Grab the top power bat, but miss out on those huge IP dominating pitchers, and then have to chase steals as well? What about grabbing that high average, high speed, foul-mouthed ol’ southern boy? That leaves a lot of power to be made up later.

In all honesty, this pick came down to a decision between two very worthy players. After constructing several mock teams through the first 6+ rounds, I made the executive decision that I like the possibilities better overall with this man.

Without further ado, I’ll select The Sultan of Swat! The King of Crash! The colossus of clout! The colossus of clout! THE GREAT BAMBINO!

Babe Ruth, OF, NYY, 1921: .378 (204/540) / 177 R / 59 HR / 171 RBI / 17 SB

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:57 pm

I'll go off the board for 200 and take a relatively unknown player in this type of draft:

Ed Walsh, 1908

40 W, 464 IP, 1.42 ERA, 0.860 whip, 269 K's, and 6 SV's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Walsh

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:00 pm

Top hitting stats and top pitching stats now off the board. Who wants to trade down?

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:12 pm

Originally posted by Likewhat17:

Let me first say, that I’m honored to have the first selection and to be kicking off the greatest fantasy draft of all time.

Without further ado, I’ll select The Sultan of Swat! The King of Crash! The colossus of clout! The colossus of clout! THE GREAT BAMBINO!

Babe Ruth, OF, NYY, 1921: .378 (204/540) / 177 R / 59 HR / 171 RBI / 17 SB Congrats on making 1921 Ruth the first overall selection. In my mind, this 1921 season produced by Babe Ruth is clearly the greatest offensive fantasy season every put together.

1921 was the middle season of a three year run that saw Ruth hit a prorated average of 60 HR’s per year over a 162 game schedule.

While Ruth and Yankee Stadium are synonymous, what most people forget is that his first three seasons with NY (’20-’22), were actually played at the Polo Grounds. Unofficially, the distance down the right-field line was 258 feet. I never saw Ruth play in person

, but my guess is he was a pull hitter.

Oh! And just for good measure, Ruth was 2-0 as a pitcher in 1921

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:22 pm

Originally posted by :

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I'll go off the board for 200 and take a relatively unknown player in this type of draft:

Ed Walsh, 1908

40 W, 464 IP, 1.42 ERA, 0.860 whip, 269 K's, and 6 SV's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Walsh Had we chosen to go with Walsh, I'm curious if you would have taken Ruth at #2. A simple yes or no would do since I wouldn't want any advantage given to teams drafting behind you. Also, I think it's a good idea for each team to post a link to the stats of the player they have chosen as Shawn did. Would give everyone something to do between picks. [/QUOTE]I'm not sure. I probably haven't look at far ahead as you. I'll add more insight behind the scenes, but I want the other players to make their picks without my comments.

Put it this way, we are tied for first!

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:29 pm

The way it is programmed now, the standings are not going to score ERA and WHIP correctly until everyone takes a P -- I am going to add a tweak that will fix that.

And, nice pick Shawn, value in a vacuum, he was far and away the top player on the board.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:41 pm

Originally posted by :

Of course, I wouldn't want anyone to be influenced. I was on the losing side of the tussle over our pick and am in desperate need of confirmation that I am not insane for considering any bat other than Ruth's. I don't mind being in the minority but a minority of one could get lonely. You'll find out soon enough and see how the rest of us value your player dependent upon where he falls in the 1st round.....or if he even gets chosen in this round.

In the meantime, sit back, relax, and enjoy the others who pick and try to remember.....patience is a virtue. Now where the hell is Neal Moses?!?!?!?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:53 pm

This is how I will let you know the tracker is updated. This also includes the ERA/WHIP tweak. If you are using it on your own, put in each owner's P1 where the respective DUMMY pitcher is listed.

Tracker through 1.02

TOXIC ASSETS · Post by **TOXIC ASSETS** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:45 pm

This draft was a great idea and I'll be following the draft as it moves along.... Ruth 1921 was a pick for the ages. With a stat line like that, it's no wonder the man is the most famous baseball player of all time. Never heard of Ed Walsh. He must have had some nasty stuff, however. Guessing that there will be a lot of pitchers selected in the first round from that dead ball era. Carry on!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:08 am

Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by :

Of course, I wouldn't want anyone to be influenced. I was on the losing side of the tussle over our pick and am in desperate need of confirmation that I am not insane for considering any bat other than Ruth's. I don't mind being in the minority but a minority of one could get lonely. You'll find out soon enough and see how the rest of us value your player dependent upon where he falls in the 1st round.....or if he even gets chosen in this round.

In the meantime, sit back, relax, and enjoy the others who pick and try to remember.....patience is a virtue. Now where the hell is Neal Moses?!?!?!?

[/QUOTE]The 24 clock won't start until Saturday for any player.

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:55 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Glenneration X:

quote:Originally posted by :

Of course, I wouldn't want anyone to be influenced. I was on the losing side of the tussle over our pick and am in desperate need of confirmation that I am not insane for considering any bat other than Ruth's. I don't mind being in the minority but a minority of one could get lonely. You'll find out soon enough and see how the rest of us value your player dependent upon where he falls in the 1st round.....or if he even gets chosen in this round.

In the meantime, sit back, relax, and enjoy the others who pick and try to remember.....patience is a virtue. Now where the hell is Neal Moses?!?!?!?

[/QUOTE]The 24 clock won't start until Saturday for any player. [/QUOTE]I was sleeping!

I am not ready to pick as of yet. Give me until this evening and I will have one posted. It is like being at a buffet bar, when you can only go through once, and you know there is some food out there that you may later regret eating.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:48 am

nice to see a white sox player go #2. also great to see park effect show up right away with the top 2 players.

Likewhat17 · Post by **Likewhat17** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:59 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

nice to see a white sox player go #2. also great to see park effect show up right away with the top 2 players. What are you trying to say? That playing at the Polo Grounds may have had a positive impact on Ruth's numbers in 1921?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:39 am

yep- i bet he plays great.

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:55 am

Guys,

Just a heads up - I have my bowling league tonight, so if the draft flies to my #13, it will stop there for the evening. I wanted to give everyone the courtesy of knowing this.

Thanks,

Mark B

GLG20 · Post by **GLG20** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:33 am

Fear not, Mark.

Unless Neal posts in the next hour or so, things will probably come to a halt tonight with my #4... seeing as I won't trust my (already suspect) typing skills, which should be on the steady decline starting around, oh, 5:05 PDT.

Go Rangers!

Suburban Strugglers · Post by **Suburban Strugglers** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:40 am

I would not worry as I am picking 5th and just will not have time to even start looking at rankings until tomorrow around 12 noon when I am finished with work for the week, so I will not be ready to pick until Friday night at the earliest.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:51 am

For viewers, it's like scoring tickets to an Ali-Frazier fight for free.

Only to get there and find out that they can only throw a punch or two a day...

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:54 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

For viewers, it's like scoring tickets to an Ali-Frazier fight for free.

Only to get there and find out that they can only throw a punch or two a day...

i HATE waiting for anything, however since we were set to start on saturday, i too could use the extra time to prep. i have to remove all the Federal league guys from my data

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:04 pm

While we wait…… Some Ed Walsh Stuff®

Ed Walsh played 14 seasons, 13 with the Chicago White Sox and one final year with the Boston Braves.

Walsh won 195 games in his career, 168 of which came during a seven year stretch from 1906-12. When I ranked all pitcher seasons, I personally had five of Walsh’s years in my top 32.

According to the Bill James Historical Abstract, Walsh made $7000 in 1908. ($3500 in salary & $3500 in bonus for winning 40 games). Using the Consumer Price Index, that $7000 would be $171,000 today. The 2011 MLB minimum wage is $414,000.

Walsh played in one World Series, 1906 against the 116 win Chicago Cubs. The Sox won the series 4-2. Walsh won games 3 and 5.

Ed had a son named Ed Walsh that also pitched for the Sox. Edward Arthur Walsh wasn’t as good as the old man. During 4 seasons over 5 years, little Ed was 11-24 with a 5.57

Ed Walsh was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1946. He was selected by the Old Timers Committee after the writers failed to vote him in on 7 different ballots.

Stuff® is a registered trademark of DOUGHBOYS

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:24 pm

1.3 Rogers Hornsby circa 1922

.401 BA 141R 42HR 152RBI 17SB

Thanks for the patience today. I flipped-flopped players all day long. Hate it when work gets in the way of picking all-time greats.