Auction League: Rule Change in 2012?

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:15 am

I would like to add $7 and bid all 30 players. Not this buy a legal 23 player roster with $260 and snake it for the final seven rounds.

Thoughts?

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:51 am

I'm curious what is the intent of your proposed rule change. Is it to penalize the players who run out of money 1st or reward players who save money?

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:47 am

What changes, if any, do you plan to make in regard to an owner arriving late to an Auction?

I paid good money last year to have an auction allowance made to a guy that managed to be late for the start of his auction. Draft went forward with this guy on the phone. To me, I found it a total disruption. I'm estimating the guy walked in at least an hour late. Then, more allowances made for him to "catch up" when he arrived. Guy actually tried to circumvent the rules by asking to be "skipped" when it was his turn to toss out a name. Enough people spoke up at the table to prevent this from happening. I UNDERSTAND anybody can slip up once, but this guy managed to be "late" for two of his other straight drafts as well.

Something needs to be put in place so that the NFBC can turn this negative into a positive. You need to have a WRITTEN plan in place to account for a late owner on exactly how it is to be handled. Some form of penalty needs to be in place that each time it is his turn to select a player money is subtracted from his bidding total and NO player in an auction should ever be allowed to make a bid via the telephone.

Without this in place, I will seriously think twice about entering any of your future auctions. It was that much of a distraction. On top of that, Citifield put a time restriction on the back end of our draft evening. Totally unfair to the other prepared owners.

That said - to avoid any issues similar to the infamous BOSTON NFFC straight draft from two seasons ago, a specific explanation needs to be in place for the straight drafts as well. No gray area. An NFBC ranked draft list needs to be provided for every LIVE draft in the event an owner is not present at the draft table at the specific start time. An NFBC official needs to go over said list the night before each live draft to account for any INJURY news and correct the list as they deem necessary.

We are all given a set time for drafts to begin. We know these dates and times long in advance. It isn't fair to take away from the 98% of people on draft day because another owner ran into a last minute issue. To much money is on the line. While these incidents are rare, past results have shown us a plan needs to be in place and we the players should know exactly how these things will be handled.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:55 am

Ken, to address two of your points:

1. The Citifield time restriction is one of the reasons why we will not be going back there. So that issue should not arise going forward.

2. We have a draft list in place for every draft should an owner not show up for whatever reason. We have always had those sheets prepared for both the baseball and football events. If there are any questions about those lists, Greg or myself should be contacted immediately either in person if we are the site hosts or by phone if we are not there in person.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:30 am

Tom:

Thanks, glad to hear that in regard to Citi-Field.

"2. We have a draft list in place for every draft should an owner not show up for whatever reason. We have always had those sheets prepared for both the baseball and football events. If there are any questions about those lists, Greg or myself should be contacted immediately either in person if we are the site hosts or by phone if we are not there in person."

During a live draft, I don't have time to stop MY draft and look for either you or Greg either in person or via telephone. If the list you are going by is at my draft table, I will KNOW what player needs to be selected by the draft moderator in the event my league has a missing owner. I would much rather speak up at my table to the NFBC representative running that draft. They are the only people with the power to stop a draft and have a situation addressed by reaching out to either Greg or yourself. This becomes a simple process for you to pass on to the many moderators you will hire to run these LIVE drafts.

Last year, it wasn't made clear to me on how future issues would be handled in regard to late auction arrivals after I posted my concerns. I look forward to seeing something explained as I make my plans for 2012 in regard to auctions. I've offered my two cents on how I feel it should be handled, hope it is of some help.

[ November 07, 2011, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Sack ]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:32 am

Originally posted by Sack:

During a live draft, I don't have time to stop MY draft and look for either you or Greg either in person or via telephone. If the list you are going by is at my draft table, I will KNOW what player needs to be selected by the draft moderator in the event my league has a missing owner. I would much rather speak up at my table to the NFBC representative running that draft. They are the only people with the power to stop a draft and have a situation addressed by reaching out to either Greg or yourself. This becomes a simple process for you to pass on to the many moderators you will hire to run these LIVE drafts.

This is how we handle things Ken. All concerns/questions etc. are brought to the attention of the facilitators for each draft. If they are unable to provide an answer that is when myself or Greg can be contacted immediately either in person or by phone.

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:51 am

Originally posted by mbendar16:

I'm curious what is the intent of your proposed rule change. Is it to penalize the players who run out of money 1st or reward players who save money? I like auctions because you have access to all the players and it isn't decided by the luck of the KDS draw.

If you KDS 10-15 in a snake you don't have a shot at Kemp or Bruan. Let only both.

This also applies to the end game players - but the auction format falls short, in that you can not take a 30th rounded like Nishioka for $1 when if you don't have a legal roster spot available in the first 23 rounds. Certainly, you should not take Nishioka, if the ADP shows him as a 27-30 player.

I was just in a slow draft where I took my first catcher in the 23rd round and only had 8 pitchers at that point. :rolleyes:

I believe that opening up the auction to the full 30 rounds will allow teams to use more strategies and have a true auction experience. What we currently have is a 23 round auction and a seven round snake.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:44 am

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

I would like to add $7 and bid all 30 players. Not this buy a legal 23 player roster with $260 and snake it for the final seven rounds.

Thoughts? I agree. The NFBC auction is the only one in many baseball or football auctions which I do that has this 7 round component. It is unnecessary.

duesman24 · Post by **duesman24** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:48 am

Im curious how guys would feel about making the auction draft team by team. Use 40 man roster of each team while using kds as format for guys naming each team at draft? Alla Yankees Boston etc....

It elimanates guys acting like they cant find a name & add the excitement of how to use your $$ during the draft.

These are reasons I wont do player by player draft as it only takes 1 or 2 unprepared guys to kill the drafting process.

Any thoughts???

Rich

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:58 am

Originally posted by duesman24:

Im curious how guys would feel about making the auction draft team by team. Use 40 man roster of each team while using kds as format for guys naming each team at draft? Alla Yankees Boston etc....

It elimanates guys acting like they cant find a name & add the excitement of how to use your $$ during the draft.

These are reasons I wont do player by player draft as it only takes 1 or 2 unprepared guys to kill the drafting process.

Any thoughts???

Rich Sorry but that is a Terrible bastardization of the auction process - the freedom to nominate anyone and the strategy of how early or late to nominate certain players would totally be thrown out the window.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:22 am

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

I would like to add $7 and bid all 30 players. Not this buy a legal 23 player roster with $260 and snake it for the final seven rounds.

Thoughts? I agree. The NFBC auction is the only one in many baseball or football auctions which I do that has this 7 round component. It is unnecessary. [/QUOTE]100% agree

duesman24 · Post by **duesman24** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:00 am

Tahnsk for your thoughts

1 thing i dont understand is someone drafting via telephone? That draft mustve been ugly.

Dont buck the the team by team draft style. Makes every draft different & takes the stalling bs out of the process. Also a consistant auctioneer is key. I did draft 3 yrs ago nfbc & it was hell with the lack of consistancy...

Was hoping someone had some ideas.

The team by team process used in drafts ive done last 3 yrs really stops the guys looking through magazines & saying whos up & flat out stalling for time..

Be prepared!!!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:53 am

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

I would like to add $7 and bid all 30 players. Not this buy a legal 23 player roster with $260 and snake it for the final seven rounds.

Thoughts? Since you posted this, I have been going over auctions in my mind under the current method (use $260 to buy 23 players, complete roster, and then do the seven round supplemental) and what you propose (buy 30 players with $267).

Frankly, there is no advantage, either strategically or esthetically, that I can see to making the change. The 23-players purchased via auction gets you access to the first 345 players, so doing the seven round supplemental is no real impediment since most in the auction will be down to $1 players anyway and whomever tosses the player out has a very high percentage chance of getting them. It just makes the auction slightly different and potentially longer to do the auction.

I would not support this change.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:09 am

gary is not proposing it to gain an "advantage". frankly, any format is a zero sum game from an advantage standpoint. what he is saying is that he would like to go to an auction format for the whole draft. auctions are auctions because they are not snakes. he wants to go to an auction that is an auction for 30 rounds. when you compare ANY nfbc auction league to ANY snake- the differences are apparent. you just won't have 15 teams with perfect lineups in a snake after 23 rounds. in all the auctions you must. it changes things. he knows he has to prepare for that eventuality- he just prefers not to have to do it.

[ November 09, 2011, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: headhunters ]

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:19 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

when you compare ANY nfbc auction league to ANY snake- the differences are apparent. you just won't have 15 teams with perfect lineups in a snake after 23 rounds. in all the auctions you must. it changes things. bingo. why not tell all snake drafters they need to fill out their starting lineup in the first 23 rounds?

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:46 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

when you compare ANY nfbc auction league to ANY snake- the differences are apparent. you just won't have 15 teams with perfect lineups in a snake after 23 rounds. in all the auctions you must. it changes things. bingo. why not tell all snake drafters they need to fill out their starting lineup in the first 23 rounds? [/QUOTE]It makes a difference. Last year we waited until all teams had filled their corner and UT spots to nominate Mark Trumbo for $1. We would not have been able to do that and utterly steal him if ALL 30 spots had been open for bidding.

Cowboy Joe · Post by **Cowboy Joe** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:49 am

Auctions are about acquiring a STARTING LINEUP (i.e., 23 players in the allocated positions) with $260, and this aspect of the game shouldn't be changed.

The hang-up seems to be with the post-auction, 7-round reserve draft. Personally, I have no problem with the snake draft format, but if you want to make a change here, my suggestion is to not pick reserve players during the auction. Instead, let teams acquire their reserve roster through FAAB in Week 1.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:07 am

i agree with Cowboy Joe. While I can see an argument that having $267 for 30 spots does open up the strategy of spending more than $1 per reserve, I feel it takes away too much of the nomination strategy (Trumbo) alluded to earlier as well as possibly rewarding those that mismanaged their $260 as they can spend their "extra" on reserves.

I don't mind the 7 man reserve draft, perhaps because I am so used to it as that is how LABR and Tout Wars do it. To me, the auction KDS is all about where I want to pick in the reserve and not about when I nominate.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:35 am

fundamentally, why was an auction set up that you had to fill your starting lineup in the first 23 rounds, but the snake draft was not?

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:36 am

Just re-emphasing what others have said in different places:

1) Auction drafts have been and should be about acquiring the 23 player roster; reserve spots should NOT be auctioned off

2) If the reserve draft is wildly unpopular (and I don't think that is the case) but perhaps some are just upset with the order of the reserves, then why not have the seven reserve rounds drawn individually its not hard to do.

3) Frankly I agree that in the regular draft leagues that the "starting" 23 roster spots should be completed after duh 23 rounds. Then continue the reserve draft in either that order or shuffle that each round as well

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:40 am

Originally posted by Gekko:

fundamentally, why was an auction set up that you had to fill your starting lineup in the first 23 rounds, but the snake draft was not? The NFBC is the first organized baseball draft that I am aware of that does not require the legal lineup to be drafted before reserves.

Football obviously does it.

Personally, I would prefer everyone fill out a legal 23 before the reserves, but it is not enough of a deal-breaker for me.

Roy's Outlaws · Post by **Roy's Outlaws** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:21 pm

In the auction draft I like the $260 to draft 23 roter spots first. But then i would like to see a second round of the auction with each team starting with $25 to auction draft their resever squad.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:28 am

I don't see the benefit of adding $7 to the auction/snake process. The auctions are my favorite type of draft, but they take a long time to complete.

Agree with CJ, we do away with the 7 round snake portion of the auction process. Everybody leaves with the required 23 man roster and the FAAB period is used to build to a 30 man roster.

[ November 10, 2011, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: Thunder ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:54 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

i agree with Cowboy Joe. While I can see an argument that having $267 for 30 spots does open up the strategy of spending more than $1 per reserve, I feel it takes away too much of the nomination strategy (Trumbo) alluded to earlier as well as possibly rewarding those that mismanaged their $260 as they can spend their "extra" on reserves.

I don't mind the 7 man reserve draft, perhaps because I am so used to it as that is how LABR and Tout Wars do it. To me, the auction KDS is all about where I want to pick in the reserve and not about when I nominate. Agree with Todd. Also, auctioning another 7 rounds would add on to an already long day for auctions.

mbendar16 · Post by **mbendar16** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:15 am

I would be against drafting the last 7 rounds with FAAB. In addition to potentially being an administrative nightmare for Greg, Tom and their IT group, it would cause players to submit anywhere from 20-50 (maybe more) players to fill their team. I'm not seeing how this would work (ie, how would ties be broken, etc.), so if someone could explain their idea, I would possibly be more receptive.

Mark