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Okay, there's been a lot of talk about instituting a minimum innings pitched limit in the NFBC. I asked STATS to download the current IP for each team yesterday and the results were very interesting. Here's the quick data and maybe I'll post all of this later:



1) In the NFBC, minimum innings pitched this year would have almost NO effect on teams in the main event. Only one team -- crazytown.gov with 96.1 -- has less than 100 IP. The next closest is Hankerchiefs at 320.0 IP. Even JerseyPaul is at 388. It's possible with a 500 IP limit this year, only one team would be affected.



2) The VAST majority will easily have 900 IP this year in the main event. I would say that six might not hit 900 IP, but all but 1 or 2 will hit at least 500 IP.



3) The auctions are slightly different. Only 1 team has less than 120 IP right now and only four have less than 300 IP right now. Four others have less than 500 IP, but most will easily top 700 IP. Not overwhelming, but based on 163 auction teams compared to 300 main event teams, it's slightly higher.



The rhetoric in the last week seemed to scare a few people that the contest could be flawed. At this point, the data says differently. Even adding a 300 IP limit next year for everything wouldn't change much, other than to quiet the speculation about what could happen. Those who go with closers and avoid starters likely would continue doing so. Even a 500 IP minimum might not change anything.



Feedback? Thoughts?

This is too much info, but I'll try it anyways.



PE Inc. NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 1216.0

T-HILL EMBASSY NFBC Ultimate Auction 1178.0

Old School New York League 7 1142.1

Team O'Connor Las Vegas League 9 1126.2

Wonder Boy/Ball Dude Las Vegas League 3 1125.0

Showtime New York League 1 1121.2

The Vegas Bandits Las Vegas League 9 1109.2

Dixie Walkers Chicago League 2 1109.1

Sawdusters Las Vegas League 9 1104.1

Blues Brothers New York League 3 1100.2

cheers Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 1100.1

Oboys Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 1096.2

Perquimans Allstars Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 1088.2

85cards Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1082.2

Red Sox Nation NFBC Ultimate Draft 1080.1

cheers NFBC Ultimate Draft 1072.1

Team Vella New York League 3 1069.2

Mandas Jowl Juicers NFBC Ultimate Draft 1069.2

The Lollygaggers - Mix Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1068.0

WHEELERS DEALERS Chicago League 3 1067.1

Behemoth NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 1066.2

POCKET ACES New York League 6 1062.0

www.SportsBuff.com Las Vegas League 5 1061.0

420 Feet Away Chicago League 4 1059.0

Roseland Money Ball New York League 6 1059.0

wemarriedshiksas Las Vegas League 6 1059.0

Team Kraus Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 1057.1

BackToFoulke New York League 6 1056.1

Subterraneans New York League 7 1055.0

Dregs of Sociey Las Vegas League 1 1055.0

Mashers Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1053.2

Incredible Hulking Us New York League 2 1048.0

Up From The Grave NFBC Ultimate Draft 1045.2

ATLANTA RENEGADES Vegas NL Auction 1045.0

No Balls No Babies! Chicago League 1 1044.1

Team Ferrari $250 Mid-Season League 1044.0

Atlanta Racktors Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 1039.2

SlackerBrothers Las Vegas League 9 1038.2

Boo Boo Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1038.1

Razor Shines last fan -NL Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 1038.0

MALLOY'S TRUTH SEEKERS Chicago League 2 1037.0

Ballfour Las Vegas League 1 1036.2

M&M Boys New York League 4 1036.1

gigglin marlin jamie Las Vegas League 9 1035.2

SportsBuffsMrFantasy+Son New York League 1 1035.1

ABC Fire Equipment Inc. New York League 2 1034.0

Mr Mojo Risin NFBC Ultimate Auction 1033.1

Kosher Meat New York League 2 1033.0

Max Ferrari Las Vegas League 6 1032.2

CREATiVESPORTS (Buster) Las Vegas League 2 1032.1

viking vacation Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1032.0

Team Kraus Las Vegas League 2 1030.1

Sack and Beav NFBC Ultimate Auction 1029.2

Diamond King Las Vegas League 2 1029.1

Moneymaker New York League 5 1027.2

Kings of Queens NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 1027.1

The Statisticals Chicago League 4 1025.2

Big Mac Attack NY/Chicago NL Auction 1025.1

Omega's Pancakes n Fries Chicago League 4 1025.1

Chico's Bail Bonds New York League 3 1025.1

SEABASS NATION Las Vegas League 8 1025.1

Lace 500 Las Vegas League 3 1023.1

Wiz's LeaderboardSports Las Vegas League 9 1023.1

Who Dat Is? Las Vegas League 7 1022.1

Zefurs Las Vegas League 6 1020.0

RoundTrippers Las Vegas League 3 1020.0

Wise Guy Baseball Las Vegas League 9 1019.0

'96 Yanks Las Vegas League 8 1017.0

Team Zwickel NY/Chicago NL Auction 1017.0

MUDHUDS Las Vegas League 9 1016.0

Appleton Hays Chicago League 2 1015.2

Team Kraus Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 1014.1

Shawon-O-Meters Chicago League 1 1014.0

SB PhillyCheeseSteaks New York League 7 1013.2

Battery Mates NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 1013.1

RoundTrippers NFBC Ultimate Draft 1013.0

Antonio Fuccio New York League 1 1012.0

fantasyjungle.com Chicago League 4 1011.2

Hamburg Hackers New York League 2 1008.1

gigglin marlin chris Las Vegas League 4 1008.1

LIPORAMA Las Vegas League 8 1008.0

Team Jones New York League 2 1007.2

Welcome to Stevieland Las Vegas League 5 1007.2

Zefurs Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1007.0

Pirate's Spoils Las Vegas League 5 1007.0

The Well-Oiled Machine New York League 5 1007.0

BLADES N BONES New York League 3 1006.2

IMO MMK Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 1005.2

Fish Fry Chicago League 3 1005.2

Zefurs Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 1004.2

CHARGING HIPPOS Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 1004.2

Tragically WHIP`d Las Vegas League 1 1004.1

Perfect I'm Not Las Vegas League 2 1003.1

Eaton Coco Crisp Las Vegas League 3 1002.1

LIPORAMA U NFBC Ultimate Auction 1001.2

Puffins Las Vegas League 5 1001.1

Bats from Hell Chicago League 1 1001.1

Team Johnson Las Vegas League 4 1000.1

KLN Rotomania Las Vegas League 1 1000.0

Dr Guadaloops Las Vegas League 2 999.2

Team Keikoan Las Vegas League 4 999.1

RoundTrippers Vegas NL Auction 999.0

ROCKIN RED ROOSTERS Chicago League 3 998.2

LB - Fortress Dyv Las Vegas League 7 998.1

Cream & Clear, Inc. New York League 7 997.2

Ricochets Vegas NL Auction 997.1

BAD[ass]ANGELS New York League 7 997.1

Smoky Mtn. Oysters Las Vegas League 4 996.1

Team Longood Las Vegas League 6 996.0

masters of war Chicago League 3 995.2

CREATiVESPORTS Buster (Mid) $250 Mid-Season League 995.0

Fightin' Amish New York League 4 994.2

Chin Music New York League 4 994.0

Team Gillespie Chicago League 3 993.1

The Lollygaggers Las Vegas League 5 992.1

Team Kanfer Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 991.1

Razor Shines last fan*ult NFBC Ultimate Draft 991.0

CC's Desperados-NLAuction Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 990.0

The Chameleons Chicago League 3 988.2

Dante's Screamers Chicago League 4 988.2

LB Big Richards Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 986.2

SHOWTIMERS T B S Las Vegas League 5 986.2

Bad Boys New York League 7 986.1

Florida Wave Riders New York League 7 986.1

Las Vegas Gamblers NFBC Ultimate Draft 985.2

Team Eroh, II Las Vegas League 7 985.1

Bustouts NFBC Ultimate Draft 985.0

The Doughboys Las Vegas League 7 984.1

Sophomore Slump Chicago League 4 984.0

Wiseguy Baseball Las Vegas League 7 984.0

The New Mets NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 983.0

Kings of Queens New York League 4 983.0

cheapthrills Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 982.2

the disabled list New York League 6 982.0

Lake Shore Drive NFBC Ultimate Draft 981.1

Stargells Stars Chicago League 4 980.1

Wire to Wire Las Vegas League 6 979.2

BigIndians New York League 1 979.0

Insulater XXXIX Las Vegas League 3 978.2

Wharf Rats New York League 1 978.0

Doctor K's Nine Vegas $650 AL Auction 978.0

Team Eroh, II $250 Mid-Season League 977.2

DFW Rough Riders Las Vegas League 4 977.2

CC's Desperados (NFBC) Las Vegas League 1 976.2

Miami Mac Las Vegas League 1 976.1

Team Longood NFBC Ultimate Auction 976.1

Uncommon Men Chicago League 1 976.0

SENATORS Las Vegas League 6 975.1

Mighty Bozos Las Vegas League 8 973.2

MGBS109 New York League 5 972.1

OCEANS 23 Las Vegas League 2 972.0

Diamond Dogs Chicago League 1 970.2

WEIRD SCIENCE NFBC Ultimate Auction 970.2

Eight Men Out New York League 5 970.1

The Ziddies Vegas NL Auction 969.1

Team QQQ New York League 5 969.0

Chili Dogs Las Vegas League 3 968.0

Walla Walla Las Vegas League 1 967.2

The Lollygaggers - Ult NFBC Ultimate Draft 967.2

Crawdaddys New York League 1 967.1

Team Tavoso Chicago League 3 967.1

Yeti Baseball New York League 3 967.0

Kimo Ferrari NFBC Ultimate Auction 966.1

Antioch Avarice Chicago League 2 966.0

Kenmaur Square Las Vegas League 4 965.2

Lik KreVis Las Vegas League 4 964.1

Team Jaffe New York League 4 964.0

Lake Shore Drive Chicago League 1 963.2

CREATiVESPORTS Gawron Chicago League 1 963.0

Team Giese $250 Mid-Season League 962.0

Hell Bent For Leather Las Vegas League 4 961.2

Real Madrid New York League 2 961.1

Puffins NFBC Ultimate Auction 961.0

Triple A New York League 1 960.2

slopshot Chicago League 2 959.1

Team Keikoan NFBC Ultimate Auction 958.0

Barry's Juice Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 957.2

Spongeworthy Bubble Boys Las Vegas League 8 956.0

THIRSTY THIRD PLATOON New York League 1 955.2

Bow To Your Sensei New York League 5 955.1

karaoke boys Las Vegas League 5 955.0

The Grand Salami NY/Chicago NL Auction 954.2

69'ers New York League 3 954.0

www.RotoRank.com Chicago League 1 954.0

EspoPower New York League 2 954.0

21 rippers Las Vegas League 3 953.2

Team Mathis $250 Mid-Season League 953.0

FUPayMe Chicago League 3 952.2

Friends of Beaver Las Vegas League 8 952.2

Uncle Mo-Mo Las Vegas League 3 952.2

O'Aces New York League 1 951.2

ATLANTA RENEGADES CLUB Las Vegas League 3 950.1

Barton Bulldogs Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 949.2

Hopping Buffaloes Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 949.1

note to self: don't drink at draft New York League 3 949.0

LB Big Richards Las Vegas League 4 948.0

Kings Row Vegas NL Auction 947.0

Kickin' Chickens New York League 1 946.2

Overpaid Greedy Bastards Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 946.2

Wagga Wagga Dingoes New York League 2 946.0

Beaver Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 945.2

CREATiVESPORTS Walton New York League 6 945.2

Maniacs Las Vegas League 9 943.2

Team Petit Las Vegas League 2 943.2

Lucky 13 Chicago League 2 943.1

Sackofpotatoes Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 943.1

Look Up - See Dyv Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 942.1

Team Hoffman New York League 7 941.1

Cellar Dwellers New York League 4 941.0

Hopping Buffaloes Las Vegas League 5 941.0

Bambinos (auction) NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 941.0

Marvelous Ones New York League 2 940.1

Quahogs New York League 3 940.0

CC's Desperados(Ultimate) NFBC Ultimate Auction 940.0

God Our Team Sucks! New York League 5 940.0

RoundTrippers Vegas $650 AL Auction 939.1

Fat Toads NY/Chicago NL Auction 939.0

Leaderboard New York New York League 4 939.0

Bustouts Las Vegas League 8 938.1

Lawyers,Guns,and Money Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 938.1

Hawaiian Islanders Las Vegas League 1 938.0

Spyhunter's Injury Prone Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 937.1

FLINTSTONE PUGS Chicago League 3 936.1

Dead Rabbits New York League 4 935.1

ryansgang New York League 6 934.2

bluebloods New York AL Only Auction 933.0

Team Levitz Las Vegas League 2 933.0

Peyton's Dream Vegas NL Auction 931.0

The Red Wolf Vegas NL Auction 930.2

Leaderboard Sports North Chicago League 3 930.0

OUT OF THE SHADOWS Las Vegas League 5 928.1

THE ROID LESS TRAVELED Chicago League 3 928.1

Panic New York League 2 928.0

Team Keikoan Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 927.2

25 Giant Nuts Las Vegas League 1 927.1

The Lorddom Las Vegas League 1 926.2

Kingman-Millan Gambit New York League 3 926.2

GO BABY GO New York League 7 924.1

UpUrButtJobu New York League 7 924.1

pollypurebreadissweet Las Vegas League 7 924.0

Team Cummings New York League 5 923.1

RotoSpin.com Las Vegas League 4 922.2

coyotes Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 922.0

Royal Pain Chicago League 1 921.2

Team Gator Las Vegas League 6 921.1

Adam's Value Picks NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 921.1

Balco Bombers NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 921.0

The Wood Shed Chicago League 4 920.2

Doehler Bills Las Vegas League 2 920.0

The 4 Amigos NFBC Ultimate Auction 919.2

Team Goldsmith New York League 5 919.2

KAYE-O'S NFBC Ultimate Draft 919.1

Corey's AAA Stats Las Vegas League 1 919.1

BigWill's Bombers Las Vegas League 7 918.2

Puffins Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 918.1

Big Mac Attack Chicago League 1 918.1

Team Zwickel New York League 5 918.1

JefAnd2Ric Las Vegas League 6 918.1

Kings of Swing New York League 1 917.1

Looks Great on Paper New York League 1 917.1

gigglin marlin auction Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 917.1

Keeneland Chicago League 4 917.0

Heads New York League 7 916.1

SHOWTIMERS TBS 2 Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 916.1

amazins New York League 6 916.1

Leaderboard Vegas Las Vegas League 3 916.1

Balco Bartokomous Las Vegas League 4 916.0

Alien Legion Las Vegas League 8 915.2

Captain Hook Las Vegas League 8 915.1

Sukate B Chicago League 2 915.0

Razor Shines last fan*mix Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 915.0

Mel's Farewell New York League 2 915.0

Mad Hungarians Las Vegas League 8 915.0

LB - Nookie Monsters Las Vegas League 5 914.1

Team Kanfer Las Vegas League 7 912.1

Mariners Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 912.0

Poopy Tooth New York League 6 911.2

Down with Pot Las Vegas League 9 911.2

cheers Las Vegas League 7 909.2

Manda's Jowl Juicers New York League 6 907.0

Benchwarmers Chicago League 1 906.1

Lake Shore Drive $250 Mid-Season League 906.1

Piggy Las Vegas League 6 906.0

Rockland Holitop Kids New York League 5 906.0

FresnoFanatics2 Las Vegas League 4 905.2

Dirty Old Gym Shoes Las Vegas League 4 905.2

Team Mauriber NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 905.1

Bigalupabarntools Las Vegas League 5 905.1

Beverly Hills Ram Jammers New York League 6 904.1

Promontory Riders New York League 2 903.1

Ambrosious's Mustache Las Vegas League 5 902.0

Kings of Queens NFBC Ultimate Auction 901.2

Hot Corner New York League 6 901.0

Meat Pullers New York League 3 900.0

Brooklyn Cyclones Vegas $650 AL Auction 898.2

bluebloods2 New York League 2 898.1

The Tasbys New York League 6 897.2

LeaderboardSports Las Vegas League 5 897.2

Gregorian Chants Chicago League 2 897.1

East Coast Schwag New York League 1 897.1

Mattingly's Maulers NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 897.1

Team Throop and Davis Las Vegas League 6 896.1

Air Lar New York League 5 896.0

Long Gone Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 895.2

Team Levitz Vegas $650 AL Auction 895.1

Razor Shines Last Fan Chicago League 4 895.0

Die Fledermaus New York League 7 894.0

Thunder Road Chicago League 1 893.0

Super Squirrels NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 893.0

Draftin' Drunk Las Vegas League 8 892.2

Big Alameda Machine Las Vegas League 7 892.2

Coyotes Las Vegas League 7 892.0

Homer's Homers New York AL Only Auction 892.0

Mattingly's Maulers New York League 5 891.0

RotoPlay New York League 4 890.2

VANDER'S VIKES Chicago League 3 890.1

Where's Howie? Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 890.0

Team Lyons Las Vegas League 8 889.1

FJ Fantasy Sports Las Vegas League 2 888.1

Taylormades Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 888.0

RotoSpin.com $250 Mid-Season League 887.1

Prospectors New York League 7 886.1

Team US Vegas $650 AL Auction 886.0

Bambinos Chicago League 3 884.2

Superpions Chicago League 4 884.2

Crosstown Traffic Vegas NL Auction 884.2

The REAL ROTO GODS New York League 1 882.0

BAD[ass]ANGELS NFBC Ultimate Draft 881.1

UES Banshees New York League 5 880.1

MONEYBALL New York League 6 880.0

Scottish Raiders Las Vegas League 3 880.0

GATORS Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 879.2

West Coast Ballers Las Vegas League 6 879.1

Team Johnson NFBC Ultimate Draft 878.2

Wiz Runs Wild Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 877.1

Team Cameron Las Vegas League 6 876.1

Team Disabled List Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 875.0

WEIRD SCIENCE Las Vegas League 8 874.2

Project Mayhem Las Vegas League 5 874.1

MT Pockets New York League 6 874.0

TOWNIES New York League 5 873.2

Team Poppel NY/Chicago NL Auction 873.2

Vast RightWing Conspiracy Chicago League 2 873.0

Motown Sounds New York League 3 872.2

Wise Guy John Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 872.2

KLN Ultimate NFBC Ultimate Draft 872.0

CREATiVESPORTS Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 872.0

Heartbreak Kids Chicago League 4 871.2

PezSox Las Vegas League 1 870.1

Black Sox Las Vegas League 2 870.1

Diamond Dancers Las Vegas League 3 870.1

Cheap Seat Chuggers Chicago League 2 869.2

Dark Side of the Mound Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 867.2

Some Assembly Required Las Vegas League 9 867.0

Acme Dos Chicago League 3 866.1

Ya Gotta Believe New York League 3 865.2

The Booze Brothers NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 865.0

Mark Prior's Elbow New York League 3 862.1

Stephie's New Shoes New York AL Only Auction 862.1

julie cooper New York League 4 861.2

Mind the Stepchildren Las Vegas League 2 861.2

Sunshine Boys Las Vegas League 6 861.0

Shadow II & MJ Shady New York League 4 860.2

BuckeyeBo Chicago League 2 859.2

Wildwood Weeds Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 859.1

42nd Boys New York AL Only Auction 859.0

CLEMENZA Las Vegas League 4 858.2

Second Chance New York League 4 857.0

The Dirty White Boys NY/Chicago NL Auction 856.1

Pillsockers Las Vegas League 1 855.1

Rototimes.com Las Vegas League 3 855.0

FOLLOW DA LEADER Las Vegas League 3 854.2

Team Lammi Vegas $650 AL Auction 854.1

What's the Rumpus? Las Vegas League 8 854.0

75 Pound Mel-Contents New York League 4 853.0

Goodfellas New York League 1 852.0

D'Qwon's Freakin' Idiots Chicago League 2 852.0

Team Lionetti $250 Mid-Season League 852.0

Minute Men Chicago League 4 850.2

Sons of Eleazar Chicago League 2 848.1

Franks n' Beans NY/Chicago NL Auction 848.0

ILLINOIS TROY NY/Chicago NL Auction 847.1

Team Garcia Vegas $650 AL Auction 845.0

Grey Crushed My Infield Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 844.2

Non Dairy Creamers Chicago League 1 844.1

Cougars Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 842.1

armchairman $250 Mid-Season League 842.1

Piggy Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 840.1

KLN Mixer Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 836.2

Pedro and Man Las Vegas League 5 836.1

The Naturals New York League 4 836.0

STEELE NFBC Ultimate Auction 831.1

Smith Fleecers NY/Chicago NL Auction 831.0

The Doughboys II $250 Mid-Season League 827.2

Harris Brothers Drink New York League 3 827.2

Red Stocking Stables New York League 3 827.1

The Dawggs Las Vegas League 9 826.0

Mr RippA'z Zimnox Chicago League 1 826.0

Team Levitz Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 825.2

Edwards Kings Chicago League 2 825.1

Expos + In Memorial + Chicago League 4 824.2

American Dreams New York League 4 823.2

Green Eggs & Ham Vegas NL Auction 822.1

Diamond Dogs NFBC Ultimate Auction 818.2

FSTOCKS Las Vegas League 8 818.1

A Rototitans Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 816.0

None More Black Vegas NL Auction 815.2

Team Fandango New York League 6 815.1

Snotty Buzzards New York AL Only Auction 813.1

movers Las Vegas League 2 810.0

Miranda's Marauder's New York League 2 810.0

Walla Walla Vegas $650 AL Auction 808.1

Slumpbusters Chicago League 4 808.1

PUKES Vegas $650 AL Auction 807.0

BobCats Chicago League 1 804.2

Baggins'n Buddies Las Vegas League 2 804.1

Mudcats Las Vegas League 7 804.0

Strokes Chicago League 2 801.2

Team Eroh Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 801.1

Chi-Town Demigods NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 800.1

Wise Guy Gene Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 798.1

BAD[ass]ANGELS New York AL Only Auction 797.2

Team Davis Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 797.1

High Rollers NY/Chicago NL Auction 796.2

CC's Desperados-ALAuction Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 795.1

Captains of Tequila Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 793.2

You're Killin Me Smalls Las Vegas League 7 793.0

Go Bears Las Vegas League 9 792.2

S.F. Bleacher Bums Vegas NL Auction 792.2

Long Gone Las Vegas League 2 792.2

Team Snyder Las Vegas League 4 792.0

Long Gone NFBC Ultimate Auction 786.1

Priors Medical Unit NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 785.0

BARBERIANS Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 783.0

baseball sevant New York League 2 769.1

Carlos is dead to me Las Vegas League 7 764.2

Walla Walla Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 761.0

Team Garbage Chicago League 3 752.2

Team Kaye $250 Mid-Season League 751.0

Your Worst Nightmare!! $250 Mid-Season League 750.2

Team Hertz New York AL Only Auction 747.1

Bayes / Rackliffe Las Vegas League 9 744.2

Team Dabigu $250 Mid-Season League 743.2

roundmen New York AL Only Auction 740.0

Las Vegas Ratpack Las Vegas League 7 734.1

Bad Boyz Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 721.1

ANSKY New York AL Only Auction 719.0

McLloyds Las Vegas League 6 717.1

Fear Factor Las Vegas League 3 692.1

Elder Statesmen Vegas Mixed Auction League 2 674.1

Team Sherman NY/Chicago NL Auction 655.0

Brooklyn Blues NY/Chicago NL Auction 654.0

Is It Football Season Yet? $250 Mid-Season League 646.2

Long Stick Goes Boom Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 643.0

Team Miller NY/Chicago NL Auction 629.2

Martinis New York AL Only Auction 625.2

Team Fandango New York AL Only Auction 619.2

Feast and Famine Vegas NL Auction 601.0

Statistical Apocolypse Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 579.2

Statistical Apocolypse Las Vegas League 9 577.2

Knights New York AL Only Auction 521.0

Team Ravitz Vegas $650 AL Auction 463.2

Sharon Delyne NFBC Ultimate Draft 397.2

Jersey Paul New York League 7 388.0

era/whip s.o.s. NY/Chicago Mixed Auction 387.1

Terminators Vegas $650 AL Auction 384.0

Absolute Power Las Vegas League 1 377.1

Team Connors Vegas Mixed Auction League 1 369.1

Team Connors Las Vegas League 6 364.2

The Crowd Killers Las Vegas $1,250 AL Auction 335.2

Hankerchiefs Las Vegas League 1 320.0

Insulater Vegas $650 AL Auction 231.2

Bayes Diamond Dudes NL Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 219.0

Hankerchiefs Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 2 122.2

Team Lammi Las Vegas $1,250 NL Auction 1 120.2

crazytown.gov New York League 7 96.1

Heroes & Zeroes Vegas NL Auction 1.1



[ July 29, 2005, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The rhetoric in the last week seemed to scare a few people that the contest could be flawed. At this point, the data says differently.



Feedback? Thoughts? nice data greg. thanks. again, what worries me is the bizarro-world owners out there who think the RP/hurt P strategy can work for winning their league (which it might, but i doubt it) but could cause some unexpected results in the overall competition. i'll keep track of where CC and Cheesesteak finish this year. if i get a chance i'll look through last year's data to see how many teams tried the RP/hurt P strategy and how that affected the overall contest (if at all).

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Okay, there's been a lot of talk about instituting a minimum innings pitched limit in the NFBC. I asked STATS to download the current IP for each team yesterday and the results were very interesting. Here's the quick data and maybe I'll post all of this later:



1) In the NFBC, minimum innings pitched this year would have almost NO effect on teams in the main event. Only one team -- crazytown.gov with 96.1 -- has less than 100 IP. The next closest is Hankerchiefs at 320.0 IP. Even JerseyPaul is at 388. It's possible with a 500 IP limit this year, only one team would be affected.



2) The VAST majority will easily have 900 IP this year in the main event. I would say that six might not hit 900 IP, but all but 1 or 2 will hit at least 500 IP.



3) The auctions are slightly different. Only 1 team has less than 120 IP right now and only four have less than 300 IP right now. Four others have less than 500 IP, but most will easily top 700 IP. Not overwhelming, but based on 163 auction teams compared to 300 main event teams, it's slightly higher.



The rhetoric in the last week seemed to scare a few people that the contest could be flawed. At this point, the data says differently. Even adding a 300 IP limit next year for everything wouldn't change much, other than to quiet the speculation about what could happen. Those who go with closers and avoid starters likely would continue doing so. Even a 500 IP minimum might not change anything.



Feedback? Thoughts? So... is there any harm in putting in a 500 IP minimum?

Gekko - it may be possible to look exclusively at pitching and see how the "all reliever" strategy effects things. How will you also figure out how this strategy effects hitting results. As I said before, in the NY7 draft, because two teams filled their bench with backup hitters before anyone else even competed their active rosters, teams in that league have slightly weaker starting hitters and definitely have weaker benchs. When injuries occur, these teams are at a disadvantage.



The relief pitcher drafting strategy has a ripple effect into hitting. This cannot be ignored.

Originally posted by viper:

Gekko - it may be possible to look exclusively at pitching and see how the "all reliever" strategy effects things. How will you also figure out how this strategy effects hitting results. As I said before, in the NY7 draft, because two teams filled their bench with backup hitters before anyone else even competed their active rosters, teams in that league have slightly weaker starting hitters and definitely have weaker benchs. When injuries occur, these teams are at a disadvantage.



The relief pitcher drafting strategy has a ripple effect into hitting. This cannot be ignored. viper - some of the best stats will come from where CC and cheesteak finish this year. in general terms, every team has hitters but not every team has SP'ers. if a "normal" team in a league with 3 teams trying the RP strategy, loads up on hitting in the first 9 rounds (save one round for a closer) and doesn't draft a SP till let's say round 10, he will still get some mighty fine SP'ers to go with that good hitting.



[ July 29, 2005, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Originally posted by Dyv:

[QUOTE]So... is there any harm in putting in a 500 IP minimum? No. But is there reason for it? So that the two guys who want to try a different strategy are prevented from that? If that's the answer, then I guess we could add a 500 IP minimum.



Remember, we're going to add the rule again that you must draft players on 40 man rosters. That prevents the Class A pitcher strategy that was used this year. Using all closers is still a strategy that could be used without a large minimum IP limit and I don't mind that.



We'll see. In the auction leagues, I may add something, but nothing here shows me a need for a large IP minimum in the main event.

Agreed.



Hey Greg -- on a side note, my wife is pregnant and she's due in early March. When is the 2006 draft date? I'm hoping I can defend my title without missing the delivery.

If there are not daily transactions, I will not get into the league next year. It just doesnt make sense to pretend that you are the top of the line fantasy league and that you invite people to pay top dollar to pick and run their teams but dont allow them to do it the same way it could be done in real life. Daily transactions will give the owners who are snake bitten with injuries, the chance to compete and not just lose points for a whole week.

Originally posted by Moneymaker:

Agreed.



Hey Greg -- on a side note, my wife is pregnant and she's due in early March. When is the 2006 draft date? I'm hoping I can defend my title without missing the delivery. Man, that's dedication. I meant to post the dates today as I think we have finalized sites for all three cities. Tampa may not happen in 2006 as I wanted (still fighting that internally). I don't have a calendar in front of me, but I believe the dates are March 18-19. Celebrate the child's two-week-old birthday in Las Vegas with us!!

Originally posted by newkidintown:

If there are not daily transactions, I will not get into the league next year. It just doesnt make sense to pretend that you are the top of the line fantasy league and that you invite people to pay top dollar to pick and run their teams but dont allow them to do it the same way it could be done in real life. Daily transactions will give the owners who are snake bitten with injuries, the chance to compete and not just lose points for a whole week. There definitely will NOT be daily transactions in 2006. That I'm sure of.

hey newkidintown,



I'm a daily transaction type person too (six of my eight leagues are daily) but contests like this won't exist with daily transactions. I'm pretty sure that weekly tranactions were the way things started originally back in the olden days. Daily stuff is a function of the internet and easy to track stats. The thing is that many people just don't have the time or desire to make daily moves. Greg may consider a separtae league or two with daily moves but the main event need 300+ participnats to exist and he won't get them with daily moves. And as an aside, I will be back for a third year come next March.



[ July 29, 2005, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: viper ]

Originally posted by viper:

hey newkidintown,



I'm a daily transaction type person too (six of my eight leagues are daily) but contests like this won't exist with daily transactions. I'm pretty sure that weekly tranactions were the way things started originally back in the olden days. Daily stuff is a function of the internet and easy to track stats. The thing is that many people just don't have the time or desire to make daily moves. Greg may consider a separtae league or two with daily moves but the main event need 300+ participnats to exist and he won't get them with daily moves. And as an aside, I will be back for a third year come next March. Okrent and Waggoner bite us in the ass again... every direction I turn they stalk me. If they had set up rules for $100,000 contests and thought about the internet we'd all have a foundation to fall back on instead of having to say 'it's never been that way before'



Dyv

I really don't care if you put a relatively high innings pitched requirement in the main event. When teams from all the different leagues have to compete against each other for one Grand Prize, the more conformity you can legislate in the rules the fairer the contest. I also have no problem with the 40 man roster requirement, the Class A pitcher thing was a loophole that wasn't caught in time and shouldn't have been there, however I would be extremely disappointed if a higher than 300 inning requirement is placed on the auction leagues.

When the only teams you will be competing against are all sitting at the same table, adjusting your strategy to what is happening around you should be an important part of the game. While I went the no starter and low innings route this year, had 3 or more teams done the same I would have blinked and taken advantage of the extra starters to buy cheap and stream two start pitchers. It was something I was prepared to do this year and will likely do next year if several teams go the low inning route.

I was really looking forward to the possibility of 6 or 7 teams running the bids up on injured pitchers next year. As was stated in the other thread, success with a strategy one year almost certainly dooms it to failure due to over use the next year. There aren't many strategy options available in an NL or AL only league as it is, please don't legislate away one of them.



[ July 30, 2005, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: Ken ]

Ken, I ask you the same question I asked Hank and got no response. Did you play in either auction league last year? The closer stategy isn't like your some baseball guru. It is a part of loop hole that was closed in year one and open up in year two. I don't know if a group of guys expressed interest to Greg about dropping the innings behind the scenes, but he hasn't answer that question either.



Now, I will give you a story about this years event. This being my second season in a national event. This was my first experience with someone not drafting starters. I have never played in a Yahoo or Espn league, so I don't know if it is common there. I played two years in a free sandbox league besides my home AL auction league. I'm the commissioner so I'm always looking to close any loop holes especially on the pitching where it is easist to manipulate the stats. When we put a pitcher in, he has to be in for ten days unless he is hurt or sent to the minors. After playing in the event in year one, I recruited a couple of players from my home league to play.



In Las Vegas, after completing the NL auction league, I ran into an owner from back home. He was headed to play in the AL $650 league and I was going to play in the AL $1250 league. I explained to him in a couple of minutes what had gone on with the two owners taking closers only. He being in the financial business is alway looking for an angle. He decided to try it. His team name is Insulators, he is leading that league. He main event team is currently sitting at 281.



I'm not getting much of a following on this, so maybe I'm all alone on this one. As I said earlier, I'd like to see Greg offer both and let the players decided which they prefer. The edge for me might be the play in the league with minimal innings required as the starter could be cheaper.



As for the Main event, with 15 teams, a couple of teams will most of the time come up with balance pitching staff to beat the closer stategy. As for Vegas gambler calling it dead money, I don't think so. They have to be consider especially if winning total is around 100-110 points. I have no problem with inning requirement in the draft.



As for GG concern about Las Vegas league 1 and New York league 7, what impact does it have when those leagues are ranked 2nd and 3rd by league strength. Also Gordon can I get your cheat sheet for football. Kevin was good at talking on the phone and looking at your player list last year!!

Originally posted by CC Desperados:

Also Gordon can I get your cheat sheet for football. Kevin was good at talking on the phone and looking at your player list last year!! he must have been looking at jason's, as he was sitting next to him. now i know why you guys did so well

This being my second season in a national event. This was my first experience with someone not drafting starters. I have never played in a Yahoo or Espn league, so I don't know if it is common there.



by CC Desperados

I have played ESPN and Yahoo for a number of years and in a 5x5 setup I have never seen a team try this strategy. I successfully won a 4x4 AL-only legaue using a closer strategy in ESPN before they implemented a minimum inning requirement. In a 4x4 league, this can work but I see no chance at all in a 5x5 league.



That said, there will be teams that try it next season whether or not some type of minimum innings are required. Everyone thinks they have an angle. But in a no trade environment, some type of balanced roster is the only way to go.



[ July 30, 2005, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: viper ]

CC, yes I played in the NL auction last year with this years Atlanta Ractors owner Jeff Rackliffe, we finished third after leading most of the year and fading at the end. We had a normal pitching staff of starters and closers. I don't claim to have invented the closer only strategy but I thought it might work if I were the only one to try it. I knew if it were successfull it would be a one time thing because I'm certain several people will try it next year. Which is why I don't want to see the rules changed much for next year, I see a great opportunity for some really undervalued starters or a chance to punt saves as people overbid for closers. This is one of the fun parts of the game for me in trying to take advantage of how the draft is going. I took great pleasure in throwing out closers early after getting mine and forcing others to overpay or go without. The same was done in one of the other leagues when someone took the three top shortstops and forced everyone else to overpay for what was left. I like the low minimum innings rule because it opens up more situations for underpaying for some players and overpaying for others. I will play and be competitive no matter what the rules next year but I enjoy having lots of choices as to how I want to build my team. With such a high level of players in the NFBC you can't sneak through many unknowns, and undervalued players are hard to find.



[ July 31, 2005, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: Ken ]

Personally I have no issue with a closer/MR staff strategy, what I do have as an issue is loading up slots with inactive players.



If a minimum is NOT put into places, I think you will see alot more people try to exploit this gap.



Spy

Haven't been posting much what with trips to west Africa and backpacking. However here's my two cents:



I can work with eliminating inactive players as long as a mimimum innings pitched rule does not preclude use of all closers/relievers (e.g. 300 innings). I don't buy the argument that a team using this strategy adversely affects teams outside the division. That is a copout posted by owners who had a crappy draft and are looking for someone else to blame. My NCOFB team sucks this year and you know whose fault that is? Mine. Mine alone. One could just as well say that players who drafted Barry Bonds and other busts early this year unfairly hurt other teams outside their divisions.

As far as the efficacy of the strategy - let the market decide it. The two teams currently (August 3rd) 1st and 2nd in the LV1 NL auction league used guess what? The closer/reliever strategy. The race is far from over, however, and no telling who will come out on top.

While we can get rid of minor leaguers let's not reduce the possible strategies. I would much rather play bridge than spades.

For you Bill...