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Let me start by saying that I am not claiming that the Mathis League owners are any better (or worse) than any other league. In the Mathis League, we had the advantage of hindsight, and as a result, you would imagine that our numbers would be better than the numbers in the regular competition.



At least, I imagine that knowing what a player has already done for just over half the season makes it easier to compile better numbers as a team. Conversly, of course, we don't have the sleepers, but I think that is outweighed by the fact that we don't get any stinkers for the first half, either.



To demonstrate that point, the overall leader for each category in the Mathis league, if each such team were competing in the overall competition, would be:



1st in ERA;

1st in WHIP;

3rd in RBI;

5th in Saves;

6th in average;

6th in Runs;

9th in SB;

10th in Home Runs;

12th in K's; and

12th in Wins.



Considering that there are 20 leagues in the overall competition, I doubt that you would find the leader of each category in any one league in the top 12 in all ten of the categories, in 1st place in 2 categories, and in the top 6 in six of the ten categories.



Again, that doesn't make the Mathis owners better or smarter or anything else, it just means that we have the hindsight advantage.



All that being written, I took the Doughboys (overall competition) numbers, WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE OF HINDSIGHT, and plugged them into the Mathis League, just to see how the Doughboys would be doing.



Well, the Doughboys would presently earn:

13 points in average;

15 in runs;

11 in home runs;

11 in RBI;

14 in steals;

7 in ERA;

9 in Wins;

11 in WHIP;

14 in K's;

and 12 in Saves.



Overall, Doughboys would have 117 points. By the way, the leader in the Mathis League has 96.5 points.



What does it all mean? Probably not a whole lot, except that the Doughboys in the overall competition is one fantastic team.



Just one man's opinion.



Buster

Tell me about it, I've been watching the ass end of the Doughboy's freight train all season...



What are the current ytd stats in each of those categories, Buster?



Keep in mind that being able to rotate guys in and out makes a difference, too - plugging in 2 start guys or sitting/playing the right guy can make a difference over a half a season



Dave

Yes, I considered the rotating factor, but even with that, the Mathis League stats are still generally better than those of the regular season.



At present, here are the leaders in each of the categories:



Team BA

The Doughboys II 0.2895

  

Team R

Team Mathis 790



Team HR

CREATiVESPORTS Buster (Mid) 202



Team RBI

The Hilton Sisters 776



Team SB

Team Eroh, II 133



Team ERA

The Hilton Sisters 2.436

  

Team W

Team Eroh, II 77



Team WHIP

The Hilton Sisters 0.996



Team K

Team Ferrari 851



Team SV

Team Kaye 84

Want to be careful how I say this because I mean it is as a compliment. There team on paper is no better than most in the top 100. They obviously did a great job in drafting to get balance and react to the overall draft trends of the league. To be that dominant they have also had to use free agent dollars well.



Competition at this level is won in minor moves during the season and in rounds 10-25 of the draft.



I am impressed by the fact of their wire to wire dominance. It will be interesting to see at this level of competition if someone is able to sustain that for 6 whole months.



Any chance Doughboys is from Modesto California if so I met them at pre draft party?



Another question just for debate- what place do you have to be in right now to have a chance at the top spot? What about top 3?



My best guess is you need to be top 8 to have a shot at number one right now and top 25 for a shot at 3 but this is my first year and bjoak has not been teaching me regulary lately.

Chest Rockwell



Not that anyone has a real idea of what it takes for a top 3 or top 8 finish but, undaunted, I will give you my guess.



For a top three, you had better be in the top 15 right now for any real chance and top 10 is much better. The problem may not be catching the current 1st, 2nd or 3rd place teams but instead passing over a dozen or so teams ahead of you and also contending for those spots. My best guess is that the top three final teams are in the current top 10.



For a top 8 finish, I would think 25th or better right now would do.



One-third of the season remains so there is time to move. I do feel that moving up will be much harder than dropping like a rock.

I am not so sure. There are certainly categories like BA that are very hard to move (up or down) at this point. But take Whip and ERA. 3-4 bad 7 run outings would still make a significant difference.... This is not to be down on Doughboys, they have been fantastic, it is just there still is alot of room for change...



Also, for fun, I looked at Wins. If you see the data below, there are 87!!!! positiongs between 63 wins and 58!!! So if someone has a bad stretch of no wins, that is a killer (it also goes to show the value of a killer starting pitcher - rare as those are!)



124 cheers Las Vegas League 7 63 170

125 Wire to Wire Las Vegas League 6 63 170

126 The Doughboys Las Vegas League 7 63 170

127 The REAL ROTO GODS New York League 1 63 170

128 Harris Brothers Drink New York League 3 63 170

129 julie cooper New York League 4 63 170

130 Eight Men Out New York League 5 63 170

131 Team QQQ New York League 5 63 170

132 LeaderboardSports Las Vegas League 5 63 170

133 Lik KreVis Las Vegas League 4 63 170

134 Team Kraus Las Vegas League 2 63 170

135 The Wood Shed Chicago League 4 63 170

136 The Lollygaggers Las Vegas League 5 63 170

137 Old School New York League 7 63 170

138 Triple A New York League 1 63 170

139 Team Fandango New York League 6 62 155

140 Scottish Raiders Las Vegas League 3 62 155

141 TOWNIES New York League 5 62 155

142 Fightin' Amish New York League 4 62 155

143 Minute Men Chicago League 4 62 155

144 Puffins Las Vegas League 5 62 155

145 Black Sox Las Vegas League 2 62 155

146 FresnoFanatics2 Las Vegas League 4 62 155

147 Poopy Tooth New York League 6 62 155

148 Mr RippA'z Zimnox Chicago League 1 62 155

149 EspoPower New York League 2 62 155

150 bluebloods2 New York League 2 62 155

151 The Naturals New York League 4 62 155

152 Spongeworthy Bubble Boys Las Vegas League 8 62 155

153 Leaderboard New York New York League 4 62 155

154 Benchwarmers Chicago League 1 61 139

155 Wise Guy Baseball Las Vegas League 9 61 139

156 O'Aces New York League 1 61 139

157 Cream & Clear, Inc. New York League 7 61 139

158 Bats from Hell Chicago League 1 61 139

159 VANDER'S VIKES Chicago League 3 61 139

160 FLINTSTONE PUGS Chicago League 3 61 139

161 Wharf Rats New York League 1 61 139

162 Kings of Queens New York League 4 61 139

163 Cellar Dwellers New York League 4 61 139

164 Sunshine Boys Las Vegas League 6 61 139

165 Team Kanfer Las Vegas League 7 61 139

166 Team Lyons Las Vegas League 8 61 139

167 You're Killin Me Smalls Las Vegas League 7 61 139

168 BigWill's Bombers Las Vegas League 7 61 139

169 Mudcats Las Vegas League 7 61 139

170 Hell Bent For Leather Las Vegas League 4 61 139

171 THIRSTY THIRD PLATOON New York League 1 60 123.5

172 DFW Rough Riders Las Vegas League 4 60 123.5

173 Dirty Old Gym Shoes Las Vegas League 4 60 123.5

174 POCKET ACES New York League 6 60 123.5

175 Wiseguy Baseball Las Vegas League 7 60 123.5

176 Big Mac Attack Chicago League 1 60 123.5

177 Omega's Pancakes n Fries Chicago League 4 60 123.5

178 Heartbreak Kids Chicago League 4 60 123.5

179 Sophomore Slump Chicago League 4 60 123.5

180 Antonio Fuccio New York League 1 60 123.5

181 Hamburg Hackers New York League 2 60 123.5

182 American Dreams New York League 4 60 123.5

183 Beverly Hills Ram Jammers New York League 6 60 123.5

184 SHOWTIMERS T B S Las Vegas League 5 60 123.5

185 Florida Wave Riders New York League 7 59 110

186 Captain Hook Las Vegas League 8 59 110

187 Superpions Chicago League 4 59 110

188 UpUrButtJobu New York League 7 59 110

189 Prospectors New York League 7 59 110

190 Leaderboard Sports North Chicago League 3 59 110

191 Yeti Baseball New York League 3 59 110

192 Motown Sounds New York League 3 59 110

193 MGBS109 New York League 5 59 110

194 MONEYBALL New York League 6 59 110

195 MT Pockets New York League 6 59 110

196 Rototimes.com Las Vegas League 3 59 110

197 Mattingly's Maulers New York League 5 59 110

198 Perfect I'm Not Las Vegas League 2 58 96.5

199 Dr Guadaloops Las Vegas League 2 58 96.5

200 Team Snyder Las Vegas League 4 58 96.5

201 Zefurs Las Vegas League 6 58 96.5

202 Looks Great on Paper New York League 1 58 96.5

203 Kings of Swing New York League 1 58 96.5

204 Thunder Road Chicago League 1 58 96.5

205 Lake Shore Drive Chicago League 1 58 96.5

206 FUPayMe Chicago League 3 58 96.5

207 Bambinos Chicago League 3 58 96.5

208 East Coast Schwag New York League 1 58 96.5

209 Mel's Farewell New York League 2 58 96.5

210 Team Zwickel New York League 5 58 96.5

211 Kenmaur Square Las Vegas League 4 58 96.5





Spy



[ August 05, 2005, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: Spyhunter ]

Although I have currently fallen back to 33-35th or so in the overall, I have no question with one good week I can be in the top 10 overall. This is primarily based on the fact I have several categories where I'm right behind the 'mass' and points can be made up very quickly in batting average, saves, etc.



I know have Fernando 'save a night' Rodney, so that's clearly enough



Dave

I was studying the LV Draft 7 to see how Doughboys 'did it' and it struck me that Doughboys team is kind of interesting in that really he is winning through most of his top picks doing what was expected. He doesn't have Brian Roberts or Derrick Lee who have way surprised people (well maybe Roger Clemens and Chad Cordero), but then of his top 10 only Pavano has fallen apart. I know that my own draft of Boones, Sosa and Woods killed me (though I got Woods in the 9th).



And he was smart enough to pick up players like Patterson and Nomar (I can't believe he got dropped) along the way



Spy

I really don't expect much from Nomar - do you?



I felt strong up the middle infield so I put in a token bid on Nomar but wasn't worried about him.



Dave

I don't expect much, but the upside is very considerable. Nice to have additional potential available when you are leading things.



Spy

Dave

I know what you mean about chasing doughboys all year I have been chasing moneymaker in NY#5 all year Crazy being 5th over all but 2nd in League 9-10 points back I do agree that there is plenty of time to get into either top 10 or even top 3 over all depends where you stand over all Wins is the best category to move up I think I was 193rd Thats where I get frustrated Had Webb pitch a gem but bull pen blows it You would think based on having Beckett Burnett Halladay Webb Loiaza Capuano Lowry on fire right now Halsey and Tomko to choose from I would have more Last couple of weeks I bench 1 of my legit closers whether Brazoban or Wickman to go for starts I think depending on where you stand in league as well as overall might be wise to kick a talented player back to a team that has a chance to pass either doboys or in my case moneymaker back into FA pool For example I l;ead by 4-5 saves in my league There are 2-3 teams that could overtake maker if they had another closer I have Cordero Wickman and Brazoban also had Farnsworth still cant figure out why Tigers got rid of him Me and Pudge or on that same page Might kick Brazo back with the hope that team that picks him up takes points from maker Just a thought But I do agree with you that 1 or 2 good nights for you hitting wise can move you up



Marty MGBS109