DL Moves

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:59 am

If you have a guy go on the DL in the middle of the week, can you replace him mid-week, or will you have to wait until the end of the week?

Dominic

Royal Order of The Bass

Northern Ohio Fantasy Baseball

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:55 am

You have to wait till the end of the week

That's my biggest complaint with the current format. I always felt you should be able to use your 6 man bench daily.

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:23 am

I agree....would simulate the real game better.. oh well, at least it's equal for all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:57 am

Daily transactions may be in the future, but for now if a guy goes on the DL on Tuesday or Wednesday, he remains in your lineup until the Monday the following week. You change your active roster once a week. Here's a key: Don't draft any guys who will ever get hurt!

a · Post by a » Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:16 am

I don't like the daily transactions, that only gives an advantage to people who have unlimited access to the internet and no life. Draft your team and stand behind it. I'm not a big advocate of streaming.

Whith that said, I would not mind compromising and having 2 lineups per week. Friday and Monday.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:26 am

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

I don't like the daily transactions, that only gives an advantage to people who have unlimited access to the internet and no life. Draft your team and stand behind it. I'm not a big advocate of streaming.Bingo!!! People who want daily transactions = I have no life...I guess we know where some people stand.

The argument about this simulating the real game is worthless as well. Next!

[ February 12, 2004, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Jon_Ashton · Post by **Jon_Ashton** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:09 am

Daily transactions would not be good for this contest! Please, Greg, eliminate that possible notion from your mind. Do we really want starting pitchers streaming in and out of the active roster on a daily basis?!! No!

Weekly is fine. I don't see any reason to go with daily (or even twice weekly).

By the way, I wouldn't quite say I have no life, but fantasy baseball (particularly a contest where I could win $100 Grand) would rank high enough on my priorities that I'd be sure to take every advantage of rules allowing daily transactions. But I don't think that's the way a contest like this should be played!!!

Jon

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:04 pm

Just to be clear..... I think "daily" transactions would be wrong. My original question was regarding a guy going on the DL. Which only happens to a handful of guys in any given week.

Jon said:

"Do we really want starting pitchers streaming in and out of the active roster on a daily basis?!"

What the hell is that? A daily basis? You act as if the Fantasy GM has some sort of control over who goes on the DL. As if an angle could be played.

Geek-O said:

"The argument about this simulating the real game is worthless as well. Next!"

I realize that Fantasy doesn't truly simulate the actual, physical game. But in essence, we are simulating GM's, in a statistical kinda way. I think their is merit to replacing a guy that goes down during the week. I believe that's how they do it in the Bigs. 9 vs.9 - 23 vs. 23 - sounds fair. And Gekko... Ive been quietly observing your smarmy posts since the beginning, and am wondering if you have ever played fantasy sports before this year? My guess is a hearty, "NO". You talk like a pimple-faced 15 year old girl with her first bra.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:14 pm

Dominic, the answer remains no to replacing guys during the week even if they go on the DL. It's the breaks of the game and losing stats from a starting player for a couple of days is just the way it goes. That's obviously very common in many fantasy leagues and everyone will have to deal with the same breaks of the game. Just make sure you have a replacement the following week as nobody wants those dead stats longer than they have to.

As for daily transactions, I agree that it likely isn't for the NFBC in the foreseeable future.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:50 pm

Originally posted by Dominic:

I realize that Fantasy doesn't truly simulate the actual, physical game. But in essence, we are simulating GM's, in a statistical kinda way. We draft and start players that we think will do well. That's all. If you get a "rush" by thinking that you're simulating Brian Cashman...go ahead.

Originally posted by Dominic:

And Gekko... Ive been quietly observing your smarmy posts since the beginning, and am wondering if you have ever played fantasy sports before this year? I've posted my fantasy resume on one of the threads already. Look it up if you're wondering if I ever played. Let me know what you think.

Originally posted by Dominic:

My guess is a hearty, "NO". You talk like a pimple-faced 15 year old girl with her first bra. I guess you already "know" a couple girls like that? Thanks for sharing that with the rest of the MB.

[ February 12, 2004, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:07 am

Greg, it doesn't make an ounce of difference to me either way. As I mentioned in my second post...

It's equal for all, and that's all that really matters. In fact, if you were to review the posts on this subject, you would see that i merely mentioned that the idea has "merit", which it does. The whole "answer remains no, and breaks of the game" thing is misplaced. Just makin conversation is all.

Gekko - I'm sure your "fantasy resume" is lights out. Bravo. My beef with you is that you don't know me, or my "resume", and you call my statements "worthless". Then youve got the stones to say, "Next!"...as if their were a line forming, waiting for your opinions. You talk like a punk, and that's kinda uncool in a forum like this.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:34 am

Originally posted by Dominic:

Gekko - I'm sure your "fantasy resume" is lights out. Bravo. My beef with you is that you don't know me, or my "resume", and you call my statements "worthless". Then youve got the stones to say, "Next!"...as if their were a line forming, waiting for your opinions. You talk like a punk, and that's kinda uncool in a forum like this. This will be my second year playing fantasy baseball. Here’s my resume from last year:

League 1 (12 teams) – I won the championship, but 10 of the teams were managed by 8th graders.

League 2 (14 teams) – I came in third. All of the teams were managed by relatives (including nephews and wives).

League 3 (12 teams) – This was a Yahoo league. I came in 7th.

League 4 (12 teams) – ESPN league. Don’t know where I finished. I forgot my username and password.

League 5 (10 teams) – This was a league comprised of “people” I see at work. There was a water delivery guy, the UPS guy, FED Ex guy, mailroom guy, etc… Needless to say, I came in 8th.

Now you can see why I display confidence in my posts. Enjoy!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:43 am

Originally posted by :

And since I find myself piling-on, the whole Gecko thing....which is it that you identify with, the small lizard or the fictional movie character, sheesh, I can almost see the L on your forehead from here. Though from coming across your numerous posts in these forums the L is probably in some fancy calligraphy font. I find it amusing that you blast people who have no life, yet you seem to live in these forums. In my line of business, typically the first two weeks of the month are the slowest. It takes me two minutes to read all of the new posts for the day. I can filter out the BS ones pretty quickly. If I find a post to comment on, it takes me another 1-2 minutes to post that. I check the MB a few times a day. So, I'd estimate I spend about 15 minutes a day on the MB. Guess I have no life? You probably spent that much time thinking of that "witty" response. That's okay. It's all in good fun!

[ February 13, 2004, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Terry H · Post by **Terry H** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:18 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

As for daily transactions, I agree that it likely isn't for the NFBC in the foreseeable future. I would consider a transaction to be removing a player from your roster and replacing them with a free agent, and considering that free agents are obtained through a bidding process, weekly transactions are the only pactical way to do this.

I would not consider removing a player from your starting lineup and swapping them with a player from your reserve a transaction, but simply 'editing' your lineup.

Greg , could you clear up what is meant by transaction? Also why is it that you don't see daily 'editing' in the NFBC forseeable future?

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:21 am

I agree 100% with what Terry said.

A six man bench does not make streaming (rotating pitchers daily), a practical option. A bench balanced enough to cover an injury to a few positions is all that could be gained.

The six men on your bench were drafted by you and are on your team, you should be able to use them. You gain no advantage on anyone because the players you are using belong to you already.

There's no reason to have a bench if you can't use them anymore often than waiver aquisitions. Just dump 90 more players to waivers and let everyone bid on replacements they need each week.

Or reduce the bench to three people to allay the fears of the people with lives :rolleyes: that someone might actually spend 5 minutes a day working their line up and gain an advantage.

I guess since I had Gimpy Jr, Juan Gone from the Lineup, Ray not very durable Durham, Jason Izzy or Izzn't he going to pitch Izzringhausen, and Mo where did he go Vaughn all on my team last year and still finished one point out of the money, I know what a difference 5 or 6 days with no stats can make.

Before you get all excited Gekko and type out how stupid I was for drafting injury prone players, where I got them in the draft I would take them again, the potential reward was worth the risk, anyone can and does get injured and misses days from the lineup.

I know it's wishful thinking to hope for daily control over my roster. If you make it too hard you lose too many casual gamers. That's why fantasy football is so popular, 16 man roster, 16 games. You just plug em in and watch em run, everybody has a chance to win.

Oh well, in the mean time I guess I'll just play the ball where it lies and give those not willing to work their teams daily a chance to win.

That's just my oppinion, I could be wrong.

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Terry H · Post by **Terry H** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:57 am

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

I guess since I had Gimpy Jr, Juan Gone from the Lineup, Ray not very durable Durham, Jason Izzy or Izzn't he going to pitch Izzringhausen, and Mo where did he go Vaughn all on my team last year

.

You mentioned on another thread that you have a relationship with ESPN, from the above quote I've got to ask, Are you Chris Berman?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:00 am

I don't think anyone is wrong because there isn't a wrong way to play. The six-man reserve does give you flexibility on a weekly basis and allows you to draft minor-leaguers who may become impact players starting in July. Since we're trying to appeal to the masses, making weekly starting lineup changes and weekly free agent pickups makes the most sense for Year One. Down the road, who knows what might branch off from the main NFBC event. I'm interested in all feedback about how to increase the appeal of this game, but in the end we must do what's right for the majority of the players and I think this format right now is the best way. Keep the comments coming.

viper · Post by **viper** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:43 am

I have pretty much only been in daily move leagues but know that weekly moves were the way fantasy baseball leagues originally began. The Internet and statistics supplied from outside automated sources have allowed for daily lineup changes. Daily or weekly changes are just different ways to play the game. Each way has its own challenges. Yahoo & ESPN have daily moves but with different roster freeze times. This allows for pitcher rotating. It also caused ESPN to change its rules to limit the number start that you could have. Continually moving SPs in and out generally had a negative effect on ratios and ERAs but always had a huge impact on Wins and strikeouts. After a couple of season of unlimited starts, they now have a 180 start limit. Weekly moves creates a managerial dilemma with regards to closers, middle men and inferior pitchers having 2 starts compared to superior pitchers with a single start. Also you have to consider the value of a superior pitcher having a start in Coors. Daily roster moves also strongly favors the “junkie”. I am one but not every one is and some of those non-junkies are very good players but don’t want to spend the needed time each day to set rosters. They like and play in weekly leagues. Plus they may be inclined not to join a daily roster setup league.

A long and rambling post basically saying weekly roster moves are they way it was and a very acceptable way to play.

Terry H · Post by **Terry H** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:46 am

I feel being able to set your lineup only once a week is rather 'amateur'(for lack of a better word)compared to being able set it daily.

That's my one and only complaint about the NFBC. Greg, I think you are doing an outstanding job and I for one am happy to be apart of the NFBC.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:16 am

No, I'm not Berman, but I did stay at the same Holiday Inn Express.

Never say anything in one sentence that you can stretch into 3 paragraphs, make two jokes about and add one inflamatory statement with it as well

a · Post by a » Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:56 am

Originally posted by Terry Haney:

I feel being able to set your lineup only once a week is rather 'amateur'(for lack of a better word)compared to being able set it daily.

That's my one and only complaint about the NFBC. Greg, I think you are doing an outstanding job and I for one am happy to be apart of the NFBC.

Making you actually manage a roster for a week at a time is amatuer???????

So looking at all the schedules for all of your players, deciding who is the best match for the week, relying on you own intuition and decision making is amatuer???? It takes research and guts to do that.

Sounds like the better manager would win this event, not the ESPN/Yahoo streamer who compensates a bad draft with mediocre players going in and out of your lineup daily just to be competitive.

Funny story, I was in a league last year where this guy streamed his team and then would email his opponent after he beats him (usually by a slim margin, but usually more than doubled the starts). I wrote an email to him and the rest of the league and challenged this guy to a one week match and no streaming, just rely on your best players. he stopped emailing his opponents after that

Streaming is something ESPN started, originally, rosters were all weekly.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:28 am

Come on Phil, you know the real managers adjust to situations daily, not like those weekly plug and play guys

You best get on board or we'll leave you at the Strip Club Friday night

Wait a minute, that's like throwing Brer Rabbit in the briar patch

I meant we'll leave you home and won't take you to the Strip Club

Jon_Ashton · Post by **Jon_Ashton** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:38 pm

Leaderboard Sports boiled it down pretty well by saying:

"I know it's wishful thinking to hope for daily control over my roster. That's why fantasy football is so popular, 16 man roster, 16 games. You just plug them in and watch them run, everybody has a chance to win."

That's why I jumped in quickly to say let's not rush and change the rules. It'd be a big switch! Personally, I'd have no problem committing to monitoring my lineup daily to get any edge possible, but many people don't want to be at a disadvantage if they have to spend some days away from their computer during the 6-month season.

Leaderboard Sports: "Oh well, in the meantime I guess I'll just play the ball where it lies and give those not willing to work their teams daily a chance to win."

That's the spirit! I feel the same way -- whatever the rules are, I'm up for the competition. I think Greg's comment about "for the foreseeable future" is just the right approach. Maybe down the line, there'll be 300 eager junkies who demand to be able to make moves daily, but we can't go that way now because that's a whole different ballgame and many people who sign up this year won't be that type of player.

Jon