kibitzing allowed on Friday

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:10 pm

Greg, If you want to show how the auction works

than set up a practice three round auction during the friday night greeting event. Everyone not doing an auction that night can attend. As far as letting visitors in during a live draft with money on the line is not fair to those that payed to play. I never saw an auction before I played last year. It cost me $1250 to see it. Now it only costs only $650 for someone to see it.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:17 pm

set up a practice three round auction during the friday night greeting event. Seems like a good idea. I'm sure people who did this ten years ago are very familiar with the up close and personal leagues, but I'd guess most of us were initiated on computers where an auction league seems diffficult to find to say the least, so I'd like to get a look at it without being an intruder.

That said, if people in the auction draft get to see values of players why can't anyone else? To me, the league results should be posted publicly so those people don't have any unfair advantage. The idea that you have that right because you're paying extra is ridiculous. If I really felt people had a way to pay to get an advantage over me, I'd not play.

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Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:46 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote: set up a practice three round auction during the friday night greeting event. Seems like a good idea. I'm sure people who did this ten years ago are very familiar with the up close and personal leagues, but I'd guess most of us were initiated on computers where an auction league seems diffficult to find to say the least, so I'd like to get a look at it without being an intruder.

That said, if people in the auction draft get to see values of players why can't anyone else? To me, the league results should be posted publicly so those people don't have any unfair advantage. The idea that you have that right because you're paying extra is ridiculous. If I really felt people had a way to pay to get an advantage over me, I'd not play. [/QUOTE]What if 7 people from my Saturday league got to take notes on who I liked while I drafted an auction team on Friday? Does that seem fair to you that my cheat sheet has to be exposed to everyone else? We're not paying to have an unfraid advantage, we're paying to play in a game. Anyone NOT in the league would be simply stealing our research because the auction had to take place the day before due to scheduling issues.

EVERYONE has the opportunity to pay for more research or more advice sites to get tidbits and sleepers. Drop "Fantasy baseball" into google sometime and enjoy the next 30 days of reading.

Dave

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:51 am

Good Lord. Auctions are about value. Most owners who know what they are doing would take just about anyone in the first couple hours if the price was right. Get over yourselves.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:56 am

All Auctioneer's are'nt the same.In the NFFC this year , i had to ask the Auctioneer if he could slow it down , he was way to fast at first. I also felt the Auctioneer in the NEW YORK AUCTION 1.250.00 , RUSHED it a little bid as the draft got late. Beleive me the AUCTIONEER is a very important person , if he is to fast , your day is going to suck. He needs to be consistent the whole AUCTION. BAD [ ass] ANGELS

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:28 pm

To me a good auctioneer is one who takes his time announcing the first bid and gives everyone time to find him on their cheatsheets and then goes like hell. I know what I'm willing to pay and who I'm interested in and several backup plans to initiate if the draft takes an unexpected turn.

I think Jason Grey did the NL auction last year in Vegas and I thought he was excellent. We lost at least a 1/2 hour because one owner did not have a deep enough list and took way too long to nominate players but other than that I thought the pace was perfect. There were adequate money count breaks, and bathroom breaks, and the pace was picked up durring the dollar rounds. I was dissappointed to see Jason in the NL draft this year instead of calling it, I guess he's a good fisherman and saw a fishing hole he couldn't pass up.

The Hats

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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:36 am

I haven't jumped into this thread before, but I certainly can make my thoughts known. The Auction Leagues are for the participants and we'll certainly keep these as private as we can. It's hard enough to concentrate in auction leagues without having an audience around. That being said, if I can show some people how the proceedings are taking place without interfering the auctions, I will. But we are not having a revolving door into these. As for the results, we are not making them of public record either or leaving the boards out for everyone to see on Saturday. It's just not fair to those participants.

If people want to see how an auction works, we've provided free access to FantasyAuctioneer.com for all NFBC members. You can mock auction there if you'd like and do as many rounds as you'd like. Several newbies could get together and practice there if they'd like. Our $650 leagues are meant to introduce auctions to more people as I'm a strong advocate of auction leagues. This part of our business has grown three-fold this year and we expect that area to continue to grow in the future. Next year we'll add $1,250 Mixed Auction Leagues.

So let's realize that we will honor these as private auction leagues in all three cities and "viewing" will be allowed at a minimum.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:00 am

Seems like if it were possible...that having the auctions after the main draft would make sense.

A snake draft would give a hint as to who the owners liked...but an auction spells it out much more clearly.

If I were in an auction...I'd be a bit fearful of scouts...especially since someone in my league (public info) could swing by toward the end of the auction and see who I bought. Not a big advantage...but still an advantage.

~Lance

Latham · Post by **Latham** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:29 am

For Saturday's main event, will we be able to get a list of players that other teams in our main event league might have on their auction teams as well as how much they paid. This might be helpful. Thank You!

Goggles Pisano · Post by **Goggles Pisano** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:07 pm

I'm going to inject in this coversation with as much class and respect as possible, but I have a definite opinion on the matter. Too many players have expressed their desire to know information about the auction and snake draft league values or an easy way to get a cheet sheet of what took place to better prepare themselves.

First of all, Greg has enough to do without helping anyone of the participants, paid or unpaid, with their draft strategy or potential player values by offering this information. Give the guy a break, he is running a business and coordinating 3 cities at the same time, along with all the behind the scene work before the event. Furthermore, he has not left anyone high and dry either. A magazine was mailed to most and player details, like multiple position eligibility, are on the site.

Just as important, this is the WORLD SERIES of FANTASY BASEBALL gentleman and ladies(as some are acting). Just like the W.S of poker in Vegas, it brings together the absolute best players in the country in the ultimate high stakes tournament. Bottom Line, lots of players will be dead money and the other 60% will have atleast some legit shot at winning. If you don't do the tons of homework required and are not willing to pay the $$ for research materials and internet sites than it's plain and simple YOU DON'T DESERVE TO WIN!! This is not some novice tournament or $30 internet league. Hell, the guy who drafted next to me last year had been playing fantasy baseball for 13 years and coordinates his own league outside the NFBC as well.

I can respect the fact that everyone has a different desire and time alloted in their life to dedicate to Fantasy Baseball, That's Cool with me. What isn't cool is giving away an advantage I gained by putting the sweat in that other won't go the extra mile to do themselves. I played last year and used it as a learning tool because I won't make those same mistakes again and have learned a ton more since then. $100K buys alot of research hours in my book and the odds are the best in town: 1 in 300 or 1 in 15 in the auction leagues.

I personally loved this event last year and I hope it exploses nation wide and people have to fight for entry spots in the years to come.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:22 am

I have no idea why learning your pick position the day of is unpopular, I have played that way for many years and it is no problem at all!!!

Chris

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