lv 1 illegal lineup

[Dickie V]

dude chill ... i was only kidding you ... sorry if I offened the "BAM"...but it does strike me sorta odd that you bitched and moaned about another team in our league who made 2 perfectly legal draft picks...then when another team does not you say "gosh wally" "who cares?" yea yer right yer team ROCKS!!!!

[bjoak]

I 'm not done bitching about that team by a long shot. And for some reason it will only make me feel worse when they are in last place because it will continue to prove they f'ed up the draft for no reason.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by bjoak:

I 'm not done bitching about that team by a long shot. And for some reason it will only make me feel worse when they are in last place because it will continue to prove they f'ed up the draft for no reason. Missed this -- what happened?

[bjoak]

Hey, I might not like the guy but what happens in LV1 stays in LV1.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by flattops:

Guys, I accept full responsibility for this and I should have known better considering this is my third year in the NFBC. What happened was I penciled in a first baseman in my CI slot but the guy was picked before it got to me and I forgot to erase his name. So when I did a final check before my last pick, I thought I was good to go.

Tom, you can take out $100.00 from my FAAB as a penalty or better off just assign me a non-starter CI then I'll just try to acquire a starter in the free agent pool. Thanks Oscar. By the way, Brady says you were a hoot at the draft and that you had a lot of fun. Welcome back. It was our responsibility to make sure your lineup was legal before you left and we should have seen that you were without a corner infielder and if we had seen that we would have forced you to cut your last pick and make another pick right there. But you now have Nevin and can pick up a corner infielder next Sunday when FAAB begins.



Good luck man and enjoy LV 1. Looks like a good, good league.

[ESPN6J]

Hey, just chiming in. It would have been unfair for him to get Hatteberg free of charge. I think it is pretty cool that he realized that and offered a fair solution. Good job by Tom accepting it also. It is nice when we can work things out.

[Cooperstown]

This really is something that has to be addressed for next year. Think of the uproar if he took Maicer Izturis instead of Hatteberg.



Kudos to Flattop for doing the right thing. I've always thought professional fantasy baseballers were an honorable bunch, well unless you're in a trading league.

[Gordon Gekko]

There was no way he would been able to add Hatteberg without having a near RIOT from NFBC participants. Seriously. If this "rule" stays in effect for next year, I'll be the first one to use it ON PURPOSE.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

There was no way he would been able to add Hatteberg without having a near RIOT from NFBC participants. Seriously. If this "rule" stays in effect for next year, I'll be the first one to use it ON PURPOSE. Good call. It needs to be spelled out in the rules that if you are unable to complete a starting lineup by the time you make your 30th pick (and not right after the draft, or a week later, or whatever), the NFBC will replace that team's final pick with a player who is:



* retired

* a minor leaguer with virtually no chance of being called up (Single A)

* dead or otherwise incapacitated



As it stands, you can "accidentally" draft 8 pitchers in the main event. Then a week later, when the mistake is caught, replace your 30th pick with Dustin Hermanson or Jorge Julio. An extreme example to be sure, but there are other more subtle strategies that can be unfairly employed unless a contingency plan is determined in advance.



[ March 27, 2007, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

[JohnZ]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

There was no way he would been able to add Hatteberg without having a near RIOT from NFBC participants. Seriously. If this "rule" stays in effect for next year, I'll be the first one to use it ON PURPOSE. Good call. It needs to be spelled out in the rules that if you are unable to complete a starting lineup by the time you make your 30th pick (and not right after the draft, or a week later, or whatever), the NFBC will replace that team's final pick with a player who is:



* retired

* a minor leaguer with virtually no chance of being called up (Single A)

* dead or otherwise incapacitated



As it stands, you can "accidentally" draft 8 pitchers in the main event. Then a week later, when the mistake is caught, replace your 30th pick with Dustin Hermanson or Jorge Julio. An extreme example to be sure, but there are other more subtle strategies that can be unfairly employed unless a contingency plan is determined in advance. [/QUOTE]All of this could be rectified with draft boards that are filled by position, and not draft order.



And when a multi-position player needs to be moved during the draft, just put the player being drafted into the spot the player needs to move to. Same difference.

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

There was no way he would been able to add Hatteberg without having a near RIOT from NFBC participants. Seriously. If this "rule" stays in effect for next year, I'll be the first one to use it ON PURPOSE. Good call. It needs to be spelled out in the rules that if you are unable to complete a starting lineup by the time you make your 30th pick (and not right after the draft, or a week later, or whatever), the NFBC will replace that team's final pick with a player who is:



* retired

* a minor leaguer with virtually no chance of being called up (Single A)

* dead or otherwise incapacitated



As it stands, you can "accidentally" draft 8 pitchers in the main event. Then a week later, when the mistake is caught, replace your 30th pick with Dustin Hermanson or Jorge Julio. An extreme example to be sure, but there are other more subtle strategies that can be unfairly employed unless a contingency plan is determined in advance. [/QUOTE]All of this could be rectified with draft boards that are filled by position, and not draft order.



And when a multi-position player needs to be moved during the draft, just put the player being drafted into the spot the player needs to move to. Same difference. [/QUOTE]Excellent point Zaleski- and I think it is more valuable to see it in that format while sitting at the draft table. Having them different colors helps but still is difficult to make out across the room.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by UFS:

All of this could be rectified with draft boards that are filled by position, and not draft order.



And when a multi-position player needs to be moved during the draft, just put the player being drafted into the spot the player needs to move to. Same difference. Not a bad suggestion, but the rule can still be circumvented. In addition, your example with multiposition players isn't complete. What if I draft Esteban German, Freddy Sanchez and Mark DeRosa? All three players could move positions several times throughout the draft. Then you have a big mess on your hands. One solution -- though I doubt this is possible -- is to use velcro-backed player names.



Just to be clear: I am in no way suggesting that Oscar intentionally fielded an illegal lineup. I would, however, like the "solution" to be spelled out in a manner that prevents any chance of rule manipulation.

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

All of this could be rectified with draft boards that are filled by position, and not draft order.



And when a multi-position player needs to be moved during the draft, just put the player being drafted into the spot the player needs to move to. Same difference. Not a bad suggestion, but the rule can still be circumvented. In addition, your example with multiposition players isn't complete. What if I draft Esteban German, Freddy Sanchez and Mark DeRosa? All three players could move positions several times throughout the draft. Then you have a big mess on your hands. One solution -- though I doubt this is possible -- is to use velcro-backed player names.



Just to be clear: I am in no way suggesting that Oscar intentionally fielded an illegal lineup. I would, however, like the "solution" to be spelled out in a manner that prevents any chance of rule manipulation. [/QUOTE]As I previously stated I like the idea, one catch is how do you get the draft orders entered in to the system just as easy and properly?

[King of Queens]

Very true, Chest. How about two draft boards per table, one showing the draft order and the other the positions filled? It might slow things down a bit, but if you have three people working each draft, two could be on sticker duty and the third could take the picks and apply the names to the little draft board that we sign off on.

[Greg Ambrosius]

I'm definitely not in favor of putting the stickers in the positions. We don't even do that for the auction leagues. As suggested above, it would be a mess with players who have multi positions. Next year we'll just have to set up the rule that states what happens if you draft an illegal team and circumvent all of your conspiracy theories by assigning the lowest ranked player at that position on KP's draft sheets for the unfulfilled position. That seems like the easiest solution.

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I'm definitely not in favor of putting the stickers in the positions. We don't even do that for the auction leagues. As suggested above, it would be a mess with players who have multi positions. Next year we'll just have to set up the rule that states what happens if you draft an illegal team and circumvent all of your conspiracy theories by assigning the lowest ranked player at that position on KP's draft sheets for the unfulfilled position. That seems like the easiest solution. Greg one thing I thought was a great addition this year was the preprinted roster grids for each owner.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I'm definitely not in favor of putting the stickers in the positions. We don't even do that for the auction leagues. As suggested above, it would be a mess with players who have multi positions. Next year we'll just have to set up the rule that states what happens if you draft an illegal team and circumvent all of your conspiracy theories by assigning the lowest ranked player at that position on KP's draft sheets for the unfulfilled position. That seems like the easiest solution. Greg one thing I thought was a great addition this year was the preprinted roster grids for each owner. [/QUOTE]Yeah, we had those last year too. Take care of the sponsors on those sheets as they made those possible.



Again, we'll keep refining the rules to make sure we have every loophole covered in upcoming seasons. We're getting there.

[JohnZ]

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

All of this could be rectified with draft boards that are filled by position, and not draft order.



And when a multi-position player needs to be moved during the draft, just put the player being drafted into the spot the player needs to move to. Same difference. Not a bad suggestion, but the rule can still be circumvented. In addition, your example with multiposition players isn't complete. What if I draft Esteban German, Freddy Sanchez and Mark DeRosa? All three players could move positions several times throughout the draft. Then you have a big mess on your hands. One solution -- though I doubt this is possible -- is to use velcro-backed player names.



Just to be clear: I am in no way suggesting that Oscar intentionally fielded an illegal lineup. I would, however, like the "solution" to be spelled out in a manner that prevents any chance of rule manipulation. [/QUOTE]As I previously stated I like the idea, one catch is how do you get the draft orders entered in to the system just as easy and properly? [/QUOTE]The "small" official board goes in order.





In ref to post above this, you just keep putting the player drafted in the spot you want the other player moved to. It all comes out in the wash.



This isn't rocket science folks.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by UFS:

This isn't rocket science folks. You're right, it isn't. Greg's suggestion for the lowest KP-ranked player works well, as the owner will get a non-entity at the position and will be forced to use FAAB to fix the mistake.



Here's another conspiracy theory (I like that!): say an owner is notified right before his 30th pick that he only has one catcher, but REFUSES to draft one with his final pick. The facilitator firmly tells him you must pick a catcher, but he still refuses and wants to take another player instead. Would the draft be held up to give the other 14 owners an opportunity to beat the offending owner senseless?



Remember, alcohol is never an excuse...

[JohnZ]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

This isn't rocket science folks. You're right, it isn't. Greg's suggestion for the lowest KP-ranked player works well, as the owner will get a non-entity at the position and will be forced to use FAAB to fix the mistake.



Here's another conspiracy theory (I like that!): say an owner is notified right before his 30th pick that he only has one catcher, but REFUSES to draft one with his final pick. The facilitator firmly tells him you must pick a catcher, but he still refuses and wants to take another player instead. Would the draft be held up to give the other 14 owners an opportunity to beat the offending owner senseless?



Remember, alcohol is never an excuse... [/QUOTE]Why would the draft be held up? 60 secs.. next pic... 60 secs next pic.. Non C owner gets his 5 secs or keeps passing.

[AmericanDreams]

Now time for a stupid question: If someone, say, doesn't draft a shortstop, why is that considered an illegal lineup, since he's the one who will suffer with a hole in his lineup?

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by AmericanDreams:

Now time for a stupid question: If someone, say, doesn't draft a shortstop, why is that considered an illegal lineup, since he's the one who will suffer with a hole in his lineup? It would be illegal because the rules state you must field 14 offensive players with specific position requirements.

[AmericanDreams]

I know, but why is it against the rules to do that? I might just be naive, but it seems like someone doing that is only hurting themselves.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by AmericanDreams:

I know, but why is it against the rules to do that? I might just be naive, but it seems like someone doing that is only hurting themselves. There are many conspiracy theorists (thanks, Greg!) who will tell you this rule is due in no small part to the infamous 30-Pitcher Roster Scandal of 2002. However, what it all boils down to is this: fantasy baseball is supposed to mirror Major League Baseball. The roster requirements are based on an actual team. Thus, two catchers, five outfielders, etc. If you allowed teams to field illegal lineups, you would essentially be destroying the "realism."

[AmericanDreams]

I see.



30 pitchers? How did that work out? Why'd they do it in the first place? Even if they won every pitching category, they'd lose all the hitting categories and finish middle of the pack.