Simple Eligibility Questions

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:13 am

Gordon, please enlighten me as to why this is a good rule.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:16 am

All teams should have a legal lineup at all times to prevent collusion. It's one thing to hold an ERA or ratio lead by placing a DL'd player in your lineup. However, if a few teams are not picking up stats in ANY category, it could really throw things out of whack in the league and overall standings.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:16 am

Okay, here we go. If someone did not draft a legal lineup after 29 rounds I will make them put the last player drafted back into the league free agent pool because it wasn't fair to the other owners, who may have drafted that player had he been available. That player should have still been out there and thus should be the one to go back into the free agent pool. Nobody should be using a strategy to get around the system and be able to cut a different player who might have gotten injured between the draft and our first FAAB pickups. So there is no strategy involved in making your lineup illegal. You must cut that last player drafted.

That being said, again I will discuss this with our draft facilitators and we'll try to keep a handle on this on Draft Day. If we do that, then we shouldn't have any problem. Seriously, everyone in this group should realize you need two catchers and two middle infielders. Where else would someone fail to comply? Not enough outfielders? Not enough pitchers? With 29 rounds, I don't see the problem, but we'll keep an eye out for it and nip it in the bud, as Barney Fife used to say, right away.

As for the complete roster after 23 rounds, I chose not to do that because this allows even more strategy on Draft Day. One owner may want to draft additional outfielders in their league to take some of the numbers out of the league, or draft more starting pitchers so that they can rotate their starters each week. Some may not want to draft that second catcher until the 29th round. I think this rule allows for more creativity on Draft Day and more strategy, not less. We're all in enough leagues where you fill your 23 roster spots and then grab six reserves later. This should provide an interesting twist and the freedom to use your reserve squad liberally should keep everyone "in the game" all year long.

Hope this helps. Again, there are no mulligans for an error on Draft Day as you'll need to spend FAAB to comply with the roster requirements, and we'll do everything we can on Draft Day to make sure everyone's roster is legal. Each of you can point out the obvious to our draft facilitators if this happens in your league.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:46 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Okay, here we go. If someone did not draft a legal lineup after 29 rounds I will make them put the last player drafted back into the league free agent pool because it wasn't fair to the other owners, who may have drafted that player had he been available.

Again, there are no mulligans for an error on Draft Day as you'll need to spend FAAB to comply with the roster requirements, and we'll do everything we can on Draft Day to make sure everyone's roster is legal. Each of you can point out the obvious to our draft facilitators if this happens in your league. I hate to be persistent with this as I know you are busy, but can you expand on the process that an owner would use to have his roster meet the minimum specs?

Here's what I gather from your post. Someone drafts 1 catcher. You find out 2 days after the draft that the person has 1 catcher. You tell him he has to drop his last player drafted. He does so. Now, how does he use his FA$ to get his second catcher? Does he bid $1 on whatever catcher is left in the FA pool?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:41 am

During that first FAAB period, he would be asked to bid on as many catchers as it takes to get one and make his roster legal. At the same time, he would have to cut his final draft pick, thus allowing that player to go into that league player pool for the following week. If he's unable to obtain a catcher, in this instance, for Week 1 his roster would be deemed illegal. Sounds simple enough and worthy of a $1 bid on every available free agent catcher to make sure you're getting stats for that week, don't you think?

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:01 am

Maybe I'm being naive here but I would like to think that after 28 rounds someone would catch the fact that he only had 1 catcher by looking at the empty spot in his roster.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:11 am

Originally posted by SoonerC:

Maybe I'm being naive here Bingo!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:16 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

During that first FAAB period, he would be asked to bid on as many catchers as it takes to get one and make his roster legal. Thanks Greg. As always, thanks for your quick attention.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:10 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

During that first FAAB period, he would be asked to bid on as many catchers as it takes to get one and make his roster legal. At the same time, he would have to cut his final draft pick, thus allowing that player to go into that league player pool for the following week. If he's unable to obtain a catcher, in this instance, for Week 1 his roster would be deemed illegal. Sounds simple enough and worthy of a $1 bid on every available free agent catcher to make sure you're getting stats for that week, don't you think? Again, I'm being difficult here - but I'm going to assume again (looking for confirmation?) that the owner in question COULD drop any player he wanted - and it doesn'T HAVE to be the last player drafted, right? (Let's ignore that they could have TWO mistakes and be a 2b/ss AND a catcher short after the draft...).

I have no idea what the strategy would be to leave my roster incomplete and 'fix it' a week later and I have no intention of doing so, but I've seen some insane things before, lol.

D

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:12 am

Originally posted by Don Mathis:

What makes you a S. O. B. because you are able to work the rules in your favor? Hey Don - any clue who you're talking to?

If this is directed at me, my response is "What are you talking about"

If it's directed at someone else, my response is "Yeah, go get 'em Don..."

D

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:19 am

Seriously Gordon, I understand people are trying to cover all possible scenarios but it's not rocket science. If after 28 rounds a guy doesn't have 2nd catcher penciled in and no one on his reserve roster that qualifies there will be plenty of people there to point it out. I have ran into this many times and it's simply not that hard to catch. With the number of quality of people that are going to be in this thing, there is no excuse for anyone being allowed to draft, much left leave the room with an illegal roster.

hankstr · Post by **hankstr** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:05 am

Anything that is within the rules can be employed as strategy. With that being said, I'd like to change my team name to "Sorry #$@+!&^%" if it hasn't already been taken. Anyway, that is why we should be concise as possible with the rules.

With the WCOFB last year, I don't think any of the 45 teams came out of the draft with an illegal roster. However, there was more than one time when a FA acquisition was made and a player dropped. The completed transaction resulted in an invalid roster. Say, for example, an owner picked up Craig Wilson last year and plugged him in at catcher (dropping existing catcher Joe Schmuck) only to find out too late that Wilson didn't have enough games to qualify at catcher. These things can and do happen. Honest mistakes. So the WCOFB simply dropped the last guy on the reserve roster (leaving the team with 28 players) and the team got zeroes for the week at the second catcher position (Wilson's stats didn't count). I like that approach but will work with whatever we formally spell out.

On second thoght, please change my team name to "draft naked".

hankstr · Post by **hankstr** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:47 am

Anything that is within the rules can be employed as strategy. With that being said, I'd like to change my team name to "Sorry #$@+!&^%" if it hasn't already been taken. Anyway, that is why we should be concise as possible with the rules.

With the WCOFB last year, I don't think any of the 45 teams came out of the draft with an illegal roster. However, there was more than one time when a FA acquisition was made and a player dropped. The completed transaction resulted in an invalid roster. Say, for example, an owner picked up Craig Wilson last year and plugged him in at catcher (dropping existing catcher Joe Schmuck) only to find out too late that Wilson didn't have enough games to qualify at catcher. These things can and do happen. Honest mistakes. So the WCOFB simply dropped the last guy on the reserve roster (leaving the team with 28 players) and the team got zeroes for the week at the second catcher position (Wilson's stats didn't count). I like that approach but will work with whatever we formally spell out.

On second thoght, please change my team name to "draft naked".

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:24 am

Dyv, again it will be the last player selected that will be dropped. Again, the reason being that a person's 23rd round pick could get hurt and be out for the year after the draft and before Opening Day and then it makes sense for the person who drafted illegally to drop the 23rd round pick when he shouldn't have even had the 29th round pick. There will be no benefit from taking a player that you weren't supposed to have in the first place.

We will do our best not to let this happen, but I'm glad to see there is a lot of concern over it.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:41 am

It sounds like there is already a lot of time/energy being WASTED on this small issue. Kinda funny in a way.

Why not just let owners draft whoever they want. If their weekly line-up doesn't comply with the roster requirements, they get zero points. Case closed.

The facilitators don't have to worry about tracking rosters at the draft, Greg doesn't have to worry about contacting owners who don't meet the roster requirements, I don't have to read through anymore BS posts on this thread, etc...

[ February 29, 2004, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

a · Post by a » Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:28 pm

Beleive it or not, I completely agree with Liz on this one....

If the owner screws up and doesn't do his homework and has an illegal roster, to damn bad. Take the zeroes like a man and move on with life. Everyone will have position eligibility lists and if you "thought" a player was eligible and he wasn't, you lose.

This event is a "World Championship", let's pretend everyone who enters thinks they are a world champion caliber and we don't need to babysit everyone's roster. There shouldn't be any mulligans or do overs or roster fixes.

Dominic · Post by **Dominic** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:43 pm

I'm with Gekko, (sounds kinda funny rollin off the tongue) I'm with Gekko....

Forget the loopholes in the rules. If you are the guy that leaves the draft one catcher light..you are also the guy that sucks at fantasy sports..

Draft 2 catchers and enjoy them.

"Baseball been...very very good to me"

Chico Escuela - New York Mets

Top Dawg · Post by **Top Dawg** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:40 am

Greg - You replied earlier (about 10 posts ago) that there could only be 2 possible errors, not drafting 2 catchers or not drafting 2 middle infielders. Did I miss something in the rules? Do we really need to draft 2 MI's? I see where we need 1 second baseman, 1 short stop and 1 MI (2nd or SS); not 2 MI. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks,

Pete

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:27 am

You are correct. I was paraphrasing, meaning someone needed at least one second baseman and one shortstop, along with one more middle infielder. I doubt this problem will occur, but everyone is right to bring this up now.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:46 pm

Originally posted by SoonerC:

Seriously Gordon, I understand people are trying to cover all possible scenarios but it's not rocket science. If after 28 rounds a guy doesn't have 2nd catcher penciled in and no one on his reserve roster that qualifies there will be plenty of people there to point it out. I have ran into this many times and it's simply not that hard to catch. With the number of quality of people that are going to be in this thing, there is no excuse for anyone being allowed to draft, much left leave the room with an illegal roster. I guess you haven't played in too many high stakes events. The possibility always exists that someone will walk away without the necessary line-ups requirements (esp since alcohol is allowed at the draft). I doubt you are going to be keeping track of every other roster at the draft. If you do, you are a fool. Pretty simple! Thanks for trying.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:05 am

Gee I always thought it was big advantage keeping track of the other teams rosters. You know like when you're drafting 13th and can't decide between this catcher or that second baseman and you look at team 14 and 15's rosters and notice they both have two catchers but no second basemen. Here I always took the second baseman first and the catcher on the turn, I had no idea that was foolish.

Thanks Lizzard, you should charge money for all this good advice.

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:42 am

Don't even try explaining anything to Gekko, he invented the game.

a · Post by a » Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:30 am

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:41 am

Originally posted by Leaderboard Sports:

Gee I always thought it was big advantage keeping track of the other teams rosters. You know like when you're drafting 13th and can't decide between this catcher or that second baseman and you look at team 14 and 15's rosters and notice they both have two catchers but no second basemen. Here I always took the second baseman first and the catcher on the turn, I had no idea that was foolish. In the real world, your example MIGHT help the owners drafting at spots 2,3,13,14. And that's a big MIGHT. How can you say with certainty that some owner wouldn't select three catchers? Waste of valauble time if you ask me. For example, your time would be much better spent overhearing the conversations of loud-talking owners, etc…

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:22 am

I can't fathom being in a draft or auction where I didn't fill out everyone's lineup as picks were made, but that's just me. Believe it or not, on extemely good days I have even managed to write down an entire name in an empty slot AND overhear something at the same time. Guess I'm just talented.