Cueto

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:00 pm

Originally posted by Go Getta:

Once the league gets some tape on him and see him on the mound at least once, I guarantee he gets hit like the rookie that he is. Sure to an extent you may be right. So at the half way point at worst he becomes a league avg pitcher after half a year of domination. Sounds like those owners who used a high teen pick on him (I am unfortunately not one of them) at worst get really good value, at best get the best value pick of the 2008 draft.

I am not ready to put his name on the CY Young award yet, but I am willing to bet that injury is the only thing that can keep his owners from scoring major value.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:03 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Latham:

Cy Cueto!! Looked like a young Pedro out there today, congrat's to everyone who started him!! Randy - back when we went to see shandler in february, I asked him for a breakout pitcher in 08 after the seminar was over. He said gorrzalony. I specifcally asked him "what about cueto". He said no. I don't have gorz on any of my 5 teams, but I do have cueto on 3 of them.

[/QUOTE]I went to just read what they said re: cueto...and he wasn't on the radar of the Baseball Forecaster, nor the Bill James Handbook.

He did get a pretty good strike zone on the outside of the plate to right handers today...and it seemed to be either 86 or 95 every pitch.

The Diamondbacks didn't look like a tough team to beat today...we'll see how he does vs. an aggresive hitting team.

His control was solid...everything was around the strikezone...be may want to throw a few more balls next game. Two other hits beside the HR looked like they could have been homers coming off the bat...but they were lifted too high.

~Lance

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:05 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Raskolnikov:

OK, so maybe I should have bid more than $176. He was dominant today and there is no disputing that. Will he do it every time? NO.

Will there be other valuable FAAB pickups available to me? YES.

Will having 99% of my FAAB dollars available help me get the next potential super star rookie? YES. at the end of the year cueto will be one of the top 10 free agent acquisitions of the year. i would say top 3, but let's see him have success in his 2nd start before we start crowning his ass.

[/QUOTE]How can he be a free agent if he was drafted in most every main league...if not every one?

...or are you including sats?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:07 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

How can he be a free agent if he was drafted in most every main league...if not every one?

...or are you including sats? yes, this thread was about Jack picking up cueto in a satellite league or leagues.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:11 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Sure to an extent you may be right. So at the half way point at worst he becomes a league avg pitcher after half a year of domination. Sounds like those owners who used a high teen pick on him (I am unfortunately not one of them) at worst get really good value, at best get the best value pick of the 2008 draft.

what round did he go in your league and were you close to nabbing him? if he went "early" in your league, you can't fault yourself at all. he was a 100% gamble play on draft day. REAL TOUGH to convince yourself to use a valuable "teen round" pick on him.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:11 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Latham:

Cy Cueto!! Looked like a young Pedro out there today, congrat's to everyone who started him!! Randy - back when we went to see shandler in february, I asked him for a breakout pitcher in 08 after the seminar was over. He said gorrzalony. I specifcally asked him "what about cueto". He said no. I don't have gorz on any of my 5 teams, but I do have cueto on 3 of them.

[/QUOTE]And back in January you asked all of us, I gave you Cueto.....you and Quahogs said no.

You gave us Jeff Niemann, who isn't even the best pitching prospect in the Rays system AND Hiroki Kuroda, who should've been replaced with Kershaw, if you were going to pick a Dodgers pitcher. :rolleyes:

Laughable....muahahahahah..ha..cough..hah.ugh

Talk to me anytime if you want to know about the young guys.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:12 pm

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

And back in January you asked all of us, I gave you Cueto.....you and Quahogs said no.

You gave us Jeff Niemann, who isn't even the best pitching prospect in the Rays system AND Hiroki Kuroda, who should've been replaced with Kershaw, if you were going to pick a Dodgers pitcher. :rolleyes:

Laughable....muahahahahah..ha..cough..hah.ugh

Talk to me anytime if you want to know about the young guys. you keep living through a response you made to a MB contest. at least i had the balls to draft him

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:12 pm

mmmuuuhahahahahahahaha!!!!

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:17 pm

Dude, I drafted him in the middle of December.

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece??

BTW, I drafted Eveland in the middle of February...heck, people didn't even know who the guy was on draft day.

Again, like I told you before, I know SP...you claimed you did, but your selections have proven otherwise.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:18 pm

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece?? People still watch SportsCenter?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:19 pm

I specifically remember walking around in Vegas, looking over the draft boards after the round 20 break, and making a mental note to draft Cueto in the 21st.

I sat back down and plumb forgot.

I drafted Wandy Rodriguez instead of Cueto in the 21st.

That will haunt me big time should he pitch as well as he did today a few more times this year.

~Lance

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:30 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I went to just read what they said re: cueto...and he wasn't on the radar of the Baseball ForecasterIn fairness to Shandler Enterprises, the Baseball Forecaster is published in December, and probably has a cutoff of late November. Yes, Cueto moved through 3 levels of the minors last year, but a lot of his true "buzz" started in the Dominican Winter League -- most of which was played after the likely cutoff date of the Forecaster.

Now comes the hard part. I'm not a BaseballHQ subscriber, but I did get a free projection update on February 28, 2008 as part of my purchase. I just checked the Excel file 08npit.xls, and Cueto is nowhere to be found. Not even a 29 IP token appearance like they have Kershaw down for. For a major source of projections to not include Cueto in late February as giving ANY kind of potential impact for the 2008 season, that's really bad IMO.

[ April 03, 2008, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:33 pm

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Dude, I drafted him in the middle of December.

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece??

BTW, I drafted Eveland in the middle of February...heck, people didn't even know who the guy was on draft day.

Again, like I told you before, I know SP...you claimed you did, but your selections have proven otherwise. Pat - I drafted cueto in the main event and super draft. YOU did not draft cueto in the main or auction. That is inexcusable if you claim to know pitching as well as you do. Esp in the auction. How do you not walk away with cueto???

You can think you are all knowing when it comes to pitching, but knowing and drafting are 2 different things.

Btw, what has eveland done in the majors? Is he another cueto?

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:42 pm

baseballhq projections.

15W 157IP 147K 4.01ERA 1.27WHIP $12

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:49 pm

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

baseballhq projections.

15W 157IP 147K 4.01ERA 1.27WHIP $12 When were they updated? 3pm this afternoon?

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:56 pm

actually i think it was 2 or 3 days after our draft. I kept checking and then saw them.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:04 pm

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

actually i think it was 2 or 3 days after our draft. I kept checking and then saw them. March 18-19? Horrendous.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:06 pm

Gordon and Patrick im impressed with both of you knowing about Cueto so far back.I usally stay away from rookie pitchers but had my eye on Kershaw but only landed him in two leagues.

I did draft Cueto about 2 weeks ago in a 15 team local league very late.Gordon in the draft we did last week i couldnt find Cueto and fiqured he was drafted and i just missed it but he was under relief pitchers , i might have gotten him in that league if he was in the starters.

That sucks especially after today.Man did he look good.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:09 pm

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Dude, I drafted him in the middle of December.

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece??

BTW, I drafted Eveland in the middle of February...heck, people didn't even know who the guy was on draft day.

Again, like I told you before, I know SP...you claimed you did, but your selections have proven otherwise. Patrick a lot of pressure knowing so much more than others all the time? You live in a dream world and that is evident by the fact that you think Dan Kenyon, Rick Thomas, Jules, Matt Mickle about twenty other players and myself had no idea who Eveland and Cueto were during those drafts. It is one thing to be cocky a lot of us are about baseball it is another thing to constantly have to try to show you are the best at something often times at the expense of showing respect for your competition.

BTW good job Gordon and everyone else who got him. The three guys I really wanted in the main and missed were Mclouth, Cueto, and Garza. All 3 went 2-3 picks before I wanted them. My fault though no bad luck b/c I notice a lot of bright owners picked them up the round before me. Unfortunately in 2 of the 3 cases I saw value and a need in that round.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:11 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Dude, I drafted him in the middle of December.

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece??

BTW, I drafted Eveland in the middle of February...heck, people didn't even know who the guy was on draft day.

Again, like I told you before, I know SP...you claimed you did, but your selections have proven otherwise. Pat - I drafted cueto in the main event and super draft. YOU did not draft cueto in the main or auction. That is inexcusable if you claim to know pitching as well as you do. Esp in the auction. How do you not walk away with cueto???

You can think you are all knowing when it comes to pitching, but knowing and drafting are 2 different things.

Btw, what has eveland done in the majors? Is he another cueto? [/QUOTE]well said

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:17 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I sat back down and plumb forgot.

Lance, sometimes you crack me up! Lay off the liquor, my friend!

Man, did I fire up this thread or what? Good stuff.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:41 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I sat back down and plumb forgot.

Lance, sometimes you crack me up! Lay off the liquor, my friend!

Man, did I fire up this thread or what? Good stuff. [/QUOTE]THAT may have been the problem!!!

I only drank agua until the draft was complete.

I was a goooood booooooy.

~Lance

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:46 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece?? People still watch SportsCenter? [/QUOTE]I don't watch ESPN, period, anymore...haven't for years...unless there's a game on.

Latham · Post by **Latham** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:54 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Latham:

Cy Cueto!! Looked like a young Pedro out there today, congrat's to everyone who started him!! Randy - back when we went to see shandler in february, I asked him for a breakout pitcher in 08 after the seminar was over. He said gorrzalony. I specifcally asked him "what about cueto". He said no. I don't have gorz on any of my 5 teams, but I do have cueto on 3 of them.

[/QUOTE]Mark,

Nice call on Cueto. I also see you jumped on Cole Hamels even after your over/under 180 innings question, hopefully he can stay healthy for you. I liked Cueto during the spring but wasn't willing to jump up high enough to get him.

[ April 03, 2008, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: Latham ]

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:56 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Dude, I drafted him in the middle of December.

I was so used to getting Cueto later in EVERY draft, didn't realize Sportscenter did a special on him

I seriously wonder how many people knew about him prior to that piece??

BTW, I drafted Eveland in the middle of February...heck, people didn't even know who the guy was on draft day.

Again, like I told you before, I know SP...you claimed you did, but your selections have proven otherwise. Patrick a lot of pressure knowing so much more than others all the time? You live in a dream world and that is evident by the fact that you think Dan Kenyon, Rick Thomas, Jules, Matt Mickle about twenty other players and myself had no idea who Eveland and Cueto were during those drafts. It is one thing to be cocky a lot of us are about baseball it is another thing to constantly have to try to show you are the best at something often times at the expense of showing respect for your competition.

[/QUOTE]Kent, I think you are one of the only one's who feels this way. Do you really think the people you mentioned care what I think?? I doubt it.

Eveland really wasn't drafted in any leagues. If people knew about him, why not take a shot? I heard people at the main event ask who he was?? I don't lie or fabricate anything.....just very opinionated and not afraid to share it. Others do, so why can't I?

I got Cueto in basically every snake draft I did in the NFBC, with the players you mentioned. How am I not supposed to think others really didn't "know" about him? So what if i didn't get him in the main or auction...am I happy, not really, but I will live with having him in all my other leagues.

I actually talked with Dan about a pitcher recently who doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar...if he was, he would've been acquired more. Sorry, but I see a lot of reactive thinking around here and not enough proactive.

Kent, keep drafting Anthony Reyes and you'll be just fine.