Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
While I am not as upset about this as Gekko, I do agree that this decision is inconsistent with past rulings on player eligibility. There have been many discussions about "pinch-hitting" qualifying as a position. I think that Greg made it quite clear with Ramon Castro in 2004 and again with Prince Fielder in 2006 that pinch hitting appearances do count towards position eligibility. Since Jack Cust played in the majors last year, we are supposed to use his major league games played to determine position eligibility. One game at OF, 3 appearances as a pinch hitter. Based on previous rulings, this SHOULD make Cust a Utility player.
Just for sake of clarity, I would like to know how Cust is different than Castro or Fielder. Either pinch hitting counts towards position eligibility, or it doesn't. Were we wrong before to not make Castro a catcher or Fielder a first baseman? I think it is pretty simple. Cust made it to the free agent list as an outfielder by mistake. Not one person complained when he was available. Everyone who was interested in him bid on him accordingly. Anyone else didn't see he had any value at the time. Therefore, he was brought to the pool as an outfielder. He was bid on as such. It was an equal playing field accross the board for all leagues. Once he cleared the first free agent period, it wouldn't be fair to allow him to be picked up as a DH only as he was already allowed to play as an outfielder. Greg has a tough job. It would be easy to make the right call before he was bid on. But after the fact, he has to make judgement that is best interest of the event. Everyone had a fair shot at him. Not one person got screwed because they thought he was a DH. I have agree with Greg. [/QUOTE]I thought he was a DH only. I looked up his game log and found 2 or 3 PH appearances vs 1 gm in the OF. I didnt notice the OF designation and even if I did I thought surely if I tried to put him there monday stats wouldnt let me. I had no clue he was going to make such an impact but knew he had potential to do so. So him being a DH only in my mind kept my bids low (if I even bid in some leagues) since the UTIL spot was a longjam for me anyway.
But I agree that you cant take the stats off the table.
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One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database?
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility. Pinch hitting is an in game strategic decision not relevant to a players defensive ability. DHing however is a position relegated to a player at the start of the game because HE, HE NO GOOD with the glove. More DH games than fielding games is again a good indicator that there is no love for the glove. His glove GOT NO GAME . But pinch hitting has little or no relevance to fielding
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[ May 20, 2007, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility. Pinch hitting is an in game strategic decision not relevant to a players defensive ability. DHing however is a position relegated to a player at the start of the game because HE, HE NO GOOD with the glove. More DH games than fielding games is again a good indicator that there is no love for the glove. His glove GOT NO GAME . But pinch hitting has little or no relevance to fielding
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[ May 20, 2007, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? last post of the night. going by the rules, he is only eligible at Utility. STATS or Greg made an error which can now be corrected.
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? last post of the night. going by the rules, he is only eligible at Utility. STATS or Greg made an error which can now be corrected.
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Originally posted by Quahogs:
Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility.
Q i agree with this, but next year would be the proper time to implement it, not when a quarter of the season has already been played by one set of rules.
ps - that was the last post for me 2night
Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility.
Q i agree with this, but next year would be the proper time to implement it, not when a quarter of the season has already been played by one set of rules.
ps - that was the last post for me 2night
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Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility. Pinch hitting is an in game strategic decision not relevant to a players defensive ability. DHing however is a position relegated to a player at the start of the game because HE, HE NO GOOD with the glove. More DH games than fielding games is again a good indicator that there is no love for the glove. His glove GOT NO GAME . But pinch hitting has little or no relevance to fielding
Q [/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't mean in a theoretical sense. I meant in the NFBC, on 5/6/07, based on everything that has happened in the 3 1/4 year history of the NFBC, how should Cust have been listed?
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility. Pinch hitting is an in game strategic decision not relevant to a players defensive ability. DHing however is a position relegated to a player at the start of the game because HE, HE NO GOOD with the glove. More DH games than fielding games is again a good indicator that there is no love for the glove. His glove GOT NO GAME . But pinch hitting has little or no relevance to fielding
Q [/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't mean in a theoretical sense. I meant in the NFBC, on 5/6/07, based on everything that has happened in the 3 1/4 year history of the NFBC, how should Cust have been listed?
**ALERT Jack Cust ERROR?
Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility. Pinch hitting is an in game strategic decision not relevant to a players defensive ability. DHing however is a position relegated to a player at the start of the game because HE, HE NO GOOD with the glove. More DH games than fielding games is again a good indicator that there is no love for the glove. His glove GOT NO GAME . But pinch hitting has little or no relevance to fielding
Q [/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't mean in a theoretical sense. I meant in the NFBC, on 5/6/07, based on everything that has happened in the 3 1/4 year history of the NFBC, how should Cust have been listed? [/QUOTE]ahh
5/6 he should have been UTIL only. However since he was listed and bid on as an OF (and Im sure the majority assumed that was his designation) and teams dropped players (other OF's maybe) and bid $ based on him being an OF, it's unfortunate but really cant be modified now. IMO. Plus im sure that since he DOES play OF that had a bearing on Greg's decision. I only wonder what would happen if maybe a Justin Upton gets added one fine sunday afternoon mistakenly at SS...
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quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
One thing I've seen very little discussion about here is this: SHOULD Cust have been a Utility or an Outfielder when he was added to the STATS player database? Pinch hitting should be scrapped in regard to positioning eligibility. Pinch hitting is an in game strategic decision not relevant to a players defensive ability. DHing however is a position relegated to a player at the start of the game because HE, HE NO GOOD with the glove. More DH games than fielding games is again a good indicator that there is no love for the glove. His glove GOT NO GAME . But pinch hitting has little or no relevance to fielding
Q [/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't mean in a theoretical sense. I meant in the NFBC, on 5/6/07, based on everything that has happened in the 3 1/4 year history of the NFBC, how should Cust have been listed? [/QUOTE]ahh
5/6 he should have been UTIL only. However since he was listed and bid on as an OF (and Im sure the majority assumed that was his designation) and teams dropped players (other OF's maybe) and bid $ based on him being an OF, it's unfortunate but really cant be modified now. IMO. Plus im sure that since he DOES play OF that had a bearing on Greg's decision. I only wonder what would happen if maybe a Justin Upton gets added one fine sunday afternoon mistakenly at SS... Q