kibitzing allowed on Friday

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:17 pm

Will we "Saturday-only" participants be allowed to kibitz the Friday league(s) in Chicago?

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:03 am

Do you mean come in and watch? If so, we would probably allow a little bit of that. I can check with Greg to make sure that's cool with him, but as long as folks don't get loud or interrupt the auctions in any way I don't have a problem allowing some of the Saturday folks to watch the auctions on Friday.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:32 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

Do you mean come in and watch? If so, we would probably allow a little bit of that. I can check with Greg to make sure that's cool with him, but as long as folks don't get loud or interrupt the auctions in any way I don't have a problem allowing some of the Saturday folks to watch the auctions on Friday. part of being in an nfbc auction league is that you get to see how other participants value players and it could help in the main event.

don't allow bloats who don't pay to "get a free look" at how players are valued by their NFBC competitors. if someone wants to watch the auction, charge them $100 and add it to the prize pool for the specific auction league.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:36 am

Interesting point Gordon. Like I said, I'll talk to Greg about that and if the situation arises I'll let everyone know how we'll handle it.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:37 am

I should add I don't have a problem with people in the main draft checking out the auctions just to see what they're like and see if it's something they want to get involved with in 2006. From that standpoint I think it would be fine. But if people are there on a scouting mission I agree that's something that could cause a problem -- possibly minor, but still a problem on some level.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:46 am

Absolutely. This won't be an "on site" decision in each city. I'm going to talk to Greg about it and we'll let everyone know.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:49 am

OK I just talked to Greg and here is what we will do. If people competing on Saturday want to check out the auctions on Friday we will allow them to do so for a short period of time. Basically we'll let them get a feel for the auction process but Gordon's point is a good one that we don't want people in there for too long so they can possibly be on a scouting mission.

So if you're interested, you would need to get in touch with Greg in Vegas; myself in Chicago or Rocky in NY on Friday. We'll walk you in and let you check things out for a couple of minutes and that would be it.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:52 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

So if you're interested, you would need to get in touch with Greg in Vegas; myself in Chicago or Rocky in NY on Friday. We'll walk you in and let you check things out for a couple of minutes and that would be it. sounds okay. just don't allow them to bring a pen/paper or digital camera to record the auction values.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:53 am

They will come in "unarmed." That's a guarantee. Not that I'm frisking anybody in Chicago just so you know.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:55 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

They will come in "unarmed." That's a guarantee. Not that I'm frisking anybody in Chicago just so you know. if i bring a stripper friend as my co-manager in NY will Rocky frisk her?

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:57 am

Oh sure bring a stripper friend for Rocky in NY and leave me out in the cold in Chicago. I'm not keen on that idea at all, Gordon.

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:44 am

GG has a good point. I didn't stop to consider the Mata Hari aspect of viewing from the sideline. My interest was purely for next year. I wanted to compare the NFBC auction league with our "friends" leagues.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:06 am

Originally posted by coops:

GG has a good point. I didn't stop to consider the Mata Hari aspect of viewing from the sideline. My interest was purely for next year. I wanted to compare the NFBC auction league with our "friends" leagues. what exactly were you going to compare? an auction is an auction, isn't it. you bid on players.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:31 am

Well...they would be scouting for nothing if we did the exciting "find out your draft position on draft day" method...one that is very unpopular here...but very fun in home leagues.

~Lance

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by coops:

GG has a good point. I didn't stop to consider the Mata Hari aspect of viewing from the sideline. My interest was purely for next year. I wanted to compare the NFBC auction league with our "friends" leagues. what exactly were you going to compare? an auction is an auction, isn't it. you bid on players. [/QUOTE]If you were at a bar and noticed a fantasy baseball draft going on, wouldn't you stroll over and take a peek? I would. I would be curious how the bidding goes. Do they get the pricing up to $30 on a Pujols in 2 bids, or do they nickle and dime it a dollar at a time? Do some owners bid like crazy and then stop when it gets a little high while others don't bid at all until it gets high and just when it looks over they bid 1 extra dollar? Is there any razzing?

What are people using to keep track of bids, computer or paper? How quick does the gavel bang? Is there a "going once, going twice before the gavel bangs? Is there even a gavel? If there are any teams, do they argue with each other? etc. etc.

I'm not doing this for any strategy change, just curious and enjoyment sake. That's all.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:19 am

I haven't read all of this thread yet, but I am 100% against anyone else there.

In the football auction last year, non participants made it VERY hard for any auction owner sitting within 15 feet of the door to hear the auction in progress.

There was a blatant disrespect to those that were drafting. We repeatedly asked them to be quiet, and they repeatedly kept talking.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:38 am

Originally posted by UFS:

I haven't read all of this thread yet, but I am 100% against anyone else there.

In the football auction last year, non participants made it VERY hard for any auction owner sitting within 15 feet of the door to hear the auction in progress.

There was a blatant disrespect to those that were drafting. We repeatedly asked them to be quiet, and they repeatedly kept talking. Agree - if you want to experience the feel, pony up the cash and come play. If you want to stand at the door quietly and peak in for 30 seconds? Fine, but if you distract the people who are paying to play and trying to concentrate then that's ridiculous.

Every auction is different. Getting a feel for the pace of an auctioneer has nothing to do with the game. Unlike a snake draft, you have to consider EVERY nomination for bidding in an auction. It takes a lot more focus and a lot more hours.

Dave

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:54 am

Originally posted by UFS:

In the football auction last year, non participants made it VERY hard for any auction owner sitting within 15 feet of the door to hear the auction in progress.

There was a blatant disrespect to those that were drafting. We repeatedly asked them to be quiet, and they repeatedly kept talking. things like this shouldn't happen. who was in charge of security?

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:01 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

In the football auction last year, non participants made it VERY hard for any auction owner sitting within 15 feet of the door to hear the auction in progress.

There was a blatant disrespect to those that were drafting. We repeatedly asked them to be quiet, and they repeatedly kept talking. things like this shouldn't happen. who was in charge of security? [/QUOTE]John Deere

There was one player, can't remember who, that was brought up, and I never knew who it was until after he sold. Luckily, I didn't want him.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:05 am

Originally posted by UFS:

There was one player, can't remember who, that was brought up, and I never knew who it was until after he sold. Luckily, I didn't want him. john, you in the baseball auction this year?

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:08 am

OK, if I'm allowed to peek; I promise to keep my mouth shut, digital camera off, and I'll hold my applause until the round is over.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:14 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

There was one player, can't remember who, that was brought up, and I never knew who it was until after he sold. Luckily, I didn't want him. john, you in the baseball auction this year? [/QUOTE]AL 650.

You? There's room still to plant your tractor azz in it.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:22 am

Just remembered something....

I get to watch the NL auction in the morning.

And I get to talk the entire time and no one can tell me to be quiet

And I will be talking the entire time...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:28 am

Originally posted by UFS:

You? There's room still to plant your tractor azz in it. i'll be involved in one way or another...