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Name Team Pick

C Victor Martinez CLE R4 P11 Comment

C David Ross CIN R21 P2 Comment

1B Todd Helton COL R6 P11 Comment

2B Robinson Cano NYY R5 P2 Comment

2B Mark Derosa CHC R22 P11 Comment

SS Miguel Tejada BAL R3 P2 Comment

SS Bobby Crosby OAK R18 P11 Comment

SS Khalil Greene SD R20 P11 Comment

3B Eric Chavez OAK R7 P2 Comment

OF Manny Ramirez BOS R2 P11 Comment

OF Magglio Ordonez DET R8 P11 Comment

OF Rocco Baldelli TB R9 P2 Comment

OF J.D. Drew BOS R10 P11 Comment

OF Dave Roberts SF R12 P11 Comment

OF Craig Monroe DET R19 P2 Comment

P Johan Santana MIN R1 P2 Comment

P Jason Schmidt LA R11 P2 Comment

P Randy Johnson ARI R13 P2 Comment

P Josh Beckett BOS R14 P11 Comment

P Ervin Santana ANA R15 P2 Comment

P Jason Isringhausen STL R16 P11 Comment

P Mike Gonzalez ATL R17 P2 Comment

P Armando Benitez SF R23 P2 Comment

Only 8 pitchers?

. I figuerd being it was the # 9 pitcher I could always pitch and ditch that one, right off the bat.

1) I like Santana as much as the next guy, but I think the second pick is too soon



2)I think there were better choice than Manny and Miggy on the turn at 2/3



3) Todd Helton at 6-11 and Eric Chavez at 7-2 seem way too early (this is the result of drafting Santana and then thinking you have to go hitter for X straight rounds to catch up).



4) Where are your stolen bases???

You might win a single league without them but won't do well in the overalls

Sure my comment is that looks like a team that a lot of us including me would have drafted in our local leagues before coming to this format and adjusting to 15 teams. If I graded it I would give it a D minus or an F.



No chance you will win a dime with that team as Perry said no speed, way too much risk in starting pitching, bad closers subject to losing their jobs, and a lot of offensive guys with names who are slightly declining or in a freefall.



Make your mistakes in the mocks and make your money in the real deal- good luck my man!



If you covet Santana KDS towards 7-9 and in most drafts you will get him then.



Hope this helps!



Not trying to slam you- but if you are going to play the main event or a satellite you want to make some big adjustments when the money is on the line(unless you draft in Tampa if so great draft do it again ). Get some more speed, reliable pitching, and more upside guys IE your Baldelli pick.



I am assuming this is your first year- you cannot mock enough or ask for feedback enough your first year especially.

Good Stuff Guys ........ thats what I'm talking about, Keep it comming...Thanks

As always, Chest and the Captain provide some good, constructive critism. That always helps.



I am not as down on this team as they might be. Perry was right that some of the picks seem to done higher than you might have (opportunity cost), so it looks like you drafted based not on average draft position, but rather on where you viewed the relative value. Not a bad approach, but it could leave some value out there for someone else to gobble up.



Draft round/pick aside, you could do alot worse at MI than with Tejada/Cano. Helton, if he rebounds from the back, and Chavez will probably be middle of the pack for CM. The third man for MI is better than the third man for CM (I am guessing DeRosa, who is risky coming off a career year but not a bad pick for the 22nd round).



I still believe in Manny, but Ordonez (solid, but unspectacular at this stage of his career), Baldelli (huge upside but hasn't been able to stay heathly), Drew (hang-nailectomy waiting to happen), and Roberts (your best source of speed, but little else) bring this OF to the middle of the pack. V-Mart and anybody else is a pretty good catcher tandem.



The pitchers could break your heart. The best closer doesn't have the job (yet) and the other two are battling chronic, potentially debilitating diseases. Both have been the best in the game at some point, but have to claw back quite a bit to regain that status. Of course, it looks like you planned it that way waiting until the 16th round to address saves (still, keep you eye on the FA pool).



Mix on the starters is interesting from the best in the game, to nice upside if mature (the other Santana), to trying to reclaim former glory in the sand, to steady recent results but showing age, to its nice to pitch for a powerhouse offense. Good luck with them, but it could go either way.



As with all of us and especially in a "value" draft like this one, your gonna need a lot of luck to mitigate some of the risks. Good luck...to me sitting here in February, this team looks like one that will finish in the middle.



[ February 20, 2007, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

E King .... That was excellent...thanks for the thoughtfull insight...!

One other thing I agree with the Captain about reaching on Manny and Miggy.



Other than that I am so sure you reached or missed a lot with when to pick people which is actually the hardest part of adjusting IMO so good job there.



You just seemed to draft the same guy over and over again, big name, declining health, 2-3 years on the decline etc.

C Rock .... thats very astute, because thats exactly what I did..!

I'm looking for the bounce back year..... I may have over did it....!!

Originally posted by WOOF WACKERS:

I'm looking for the bounce back year..... I may have over did it....!! People will tell you the key to this contest is balance in the draft. The balance goes deeper than just balance between pitching and hitting, or I have an anchor in all 10 categories etc.



It is a balance between proven and up and comers, not too many bounce back candidates, not too many injury prone guys, no injury prone guys and I will tell you that you probably missed some value along the way, I even try to balance a little bit between solid first half players and solid 2nd half players.



Do you project numbers- if so I think you will answer your own questions on a lot of those guys. Helton and Chavez keep getting worse what makes you think they will get better? If you have a good reason draft em, if your reason involves hope or a gut feel still draft them just draft them when you are getting them for value and if you miss them in that scenario hope someone else overpaid for a declining big name.

You know what's funny Edwards King is although I graded it a F, I too would bet it would finish middle of the pack. Middle of the pack equals zero dollars- we want our new buddy here to win 5k at least.

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

You know what's funny Edwards King is although I graded it a F, I too would bet it would finish middle of the pack. Middle of the pack equals zero dollars- we want our new buddy here to win 5k at least. Truer words were never spoken...

All of U have contributed very insightfull and enlightening veiw points, Thanks... one response I take from this is, I hear a lot of, " thats a gamble pick ". and my repsonse to that would be , Whats not a gamble ?...!

Originally posted by WOOF WACKERS:

All of U have contributed very insightfull and enlightening veiw points, Thanks... one response I take from this is, I hear a lot of, " thats a gamble pick ". and my repsonse to that would be , Whats not a gamble ?...! True. It is all about risk tolerance. Chest put it very well about balancing risks and rewards. An all gamble, no-net team has to have EVERYTHING go right to succeed (success = finishing in the money). A team of all safe picks will land you square in the middle with no upside. Choose your poison!

Can anyone can tell me what is a sure thing.

Originally posted by WOOF WACKERS:

Can anyone can tell me what is a sure thing. It does not exist in baseball.

The Cubs will lose

If Manny is healthy, he is not a reach at the turn. Do people call him a reach simply because his ADP is lower than at 15? The man is still one of the best hitters in baseball.



[ February 21, 2007, 08:56 AM: Message edited by: The Mighty Men ]