Drafting/Lineup requirements

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:59 am

This seems related to the 'illegal lineup' thing in the other thread, but I want to ask explicitly. I'm doing my first ever NFBC Satellite on Sunday and I want to keep my nose clean so here goes:

1) Do I need to draft enough position variety to be able to field a full team after the draft? [The answer from the other thread would be appear to be yes.] Suppose the only catcher I wanted was Mauer, I got him in the third round, and I decided I didn't want to draft any more because I don't think a guy like Gregg Zaun can help my team (he'll hurt my avg.).

2a) If I'm forced to draft to fill a full team, when I send in a weekly lineup can I leave a slot blank. So if you make me draft Zaun, can I choose to play only Mauer and leave Zaun on the bench? If no, why not?

2b) and if no, if I have to play Zaun "because I can", is it kosher, then, instead of drafting Zaun, to draft a catcher in Single-A who has no hope in hell of seeing the Majors this season, and I can "play" this minor leaguer instead? If that's not kosher, why not?

Submitted respectfully,

Bluenose

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:11 am

If you want to lose use a good cathcer and a single A Catcher. You must have 2 catchers. I hope that you are in my league. Easy money!

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:21 am

In 2005 I went with Piazza & a prospect catcher (Liard) and it was rougher then I expected. The plan should boost your team BA, but will give the other 14 teams a 40 run & RBI along with ten homeruns advantage. Good luck.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:54 am

Good question- I will let someone in authority answer the whether or not you can use the A ball catcher scenario.

Do not listen to Steve who ever that guy is- lots of very good players in this event limit their exposure to batting avg with their 2nd catcher. Most will use a backup who posts a decent batting avg that they nab in the 30th round. Last year Laird was one of choice, I think this year Valentine of the Reds is the one I saw most. I have never done it and have not thought it through but you are certainly not in left field or going to be easy money for doing it.

Hope this helps- and yes you definitely have to draft a full roster in your draft and keep in mind just because mock draft central says he is eligible at a position does not make him eligible in the nfbc. If you have a question about a player or 2's eligiblity feel free to PM me.

AmericanDreams · Post by **AmericanDreams** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:33 am

I'd rather a 2nd catcher who contributes in the counting categories, even if his AVG isn't the greatest. Catchers only get 400-450 at bats anyway, so it's not going to hurt your AVG as much as an outfielder who gets 600+ at bats.

Those 40 or 50 runs and RBI and 10 or 15 homers could be a difference maker in the end.

freddiezee · Post by **freddiezee** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:14 am

Bluenose,

I see where you are going with the idea of not playing a 2nd catcher, and you could definitely do it by drafting a guy who you know won't play. I would say that you could choose to take your 2nd catcher in the 30th round if you want and that wouldn't be the worst idea. If at that point you are concerned about BA, then draft a guy like Mike Redmond who usually has a decent average and only gets a few AB's but at least he'll get you some RBI, R etc. Or, draft a guy like Valentin who may get you 10 HR while only using 200-250 AB.

One other thought.....since most of the final players drafted will end up back on waivers by the end of April, you may as well go a couple rounds earlier and pick up your 2nd catcher in round 27-28.

Just my 2 cents.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:17 am

Originally posted by steve:

If you want to lose use a good cathcer and a single A Catcher. You must have 2 catchers. You could argue this point, but you'd be wrong.

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:42 am

To the amazing chest rockwell..don't lead him down the worng path taking a zero in a catcher spot! Thats not the right thing to do....Thought you were better than that! Whoever you are!

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:48 am

Originally posted by steve:

To the amazing chest rockwell..don't lead him down the worng path taking a zero in a catcher spot! Thats not the right thing to do....Thought you were better than that! Whoever you are! You call me amazing- that is so nice of you, I hope you are not worng about that and that drafting only one cathcer does not hurt him.

[ March 23, 2007, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:49 am

King of Queens you are saying that going with 1 catcher only is good,,you are wrong along with the amazing chest rockwell who knows everything,,,the difference u lose in batting avg does not outweight the hr rbi runs u get from a 2nd lousy catcher..Do the math..A bad 2nd cathcer usually gets 5 hr and 30-40 rbis, 30 runs. Would you rather go without those stats to preserve batting avg..ridiculous! Asd another poster wrote that cathers do not get alot of at bats anyway!

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:50 am

If you read my 1st post I did not say to draft only 1 catcher you have to draft 2. Stop drinking those budweisers.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:52 am

Originally posted by steve:

King of Queens you are saying that going with 1 catcher only is good,,you are wrong along with the amazing chest rockwell who knows everything,,,the difference u lose in batting avg does not outweight the hr rbi runs u get from a 2nd lousy catcher..Do the math..A bad 2nd cathcer usually gets 5 hr and 30-40 rbis, 30 runs. Would you rather go without those stats to preserve batting avg..ridiculous! Asd another poster wrote that cathers do not get alot of at bats anyway! Do not know everything but I do know how to spell the word catcher, which based upon two of your posts in this thread you do not. Have a nice day! Love, the amazing Chest

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:57 am

I typed fast,,,I am not a pencil pusher in an office...CATCHER are you happy now? Don't lead the rookie team the wrong way. I hope he knows to draft 2 catchers that play. Chest you are the Chief mailroom operator,,,Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:21 am

Originally posted by steve:

King of Queens you are saying that going with 1 catcher only is good,,you are wrong along with the amazing chest rockwell who knows everything,,,the difference u lose in batting avg does not outweight the hr rbi runs u get from a 2nd lousy catcher..Do the math..A bad 2nd cathcer usually gets 5 hr and 30-40 rbis, 30 runs. Would you rather go without those stats to preserve batting avg..ridiculous! Asd another poster wrote that cathers do not get alot of at bats anyway! Depends who the second catcher is. Believe it or not, some carry negative value -- on average, this will be the case with 3 starting catchers per league.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:24 am

Originally posted by bluenose:

This seems related to the 'illegal lineup' thing in the other thread, but I want to ask explicitly. I'm doing my first ever NFBC Satellite on Sunday and I want to keep my nose clean so here goes:

1) Do I need to draft enough position variety to be able to field a full team after the draft? [The answer from the other thread would be appear to be yes.] Suppose the only catcher I wanted was Mauer, I got him in the third round, and I decided I didn't want to draft any more because I don't think a guy like Gregg Zaun can help my team (he'll hurt my avg.).

2a) If I'm forced to draft to fill a full team, when I send in a weekly lineup can I leave a slot blank. So if you make me draft Zaun, can I choose to play only Mauer and leave Zaun on the bench? If no, why not?

2b) and if no, if I have to play Zaun "because I can", is it kosher, then, instead of drafting Zaun, to draft a catcher in Single-A who has no hope in hell of seeing the Majors this season, and I can "play" this minor leaguer instead? If that's not kosher, why not?

Submitted respectfully,

Bluenose You must have a legal lineup after the draft, which means you must have two catchers. If you don't, we'll give you a second catcher after this satellite league draft as we don't have time to have you correct this.

You cannot leave a slot blank. STATS has your weekly lineup set so that you MUST have the prerequisite 14 hitters and nine pitchers.

You're the manager. Do what you want with that second catcher. But I doubt that getting zeros from that spot is a wise strategy. Your call, but I think history will show you otherwise.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:25 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by steve:

King of Queens you are saying that going with 1 catcher only is good,,you are wrong along with the amazing chest rockwell who knows everything,,,the difference u lose in batting avg does not outweight the hr rbi runs u get from a 2nd lousy catcher..Do the math..A bad 2nd cathcer usually gets 5 hr and 30-40 rbis, 30 runs. Would you rather go without those stats to preserve batting avg..ridiculous! Asd another poster wrote that cathers do not get alot of at bats anyway! Depends who the second catcher is. Believe it or not, some carry negative value -- on average, this will be the case with 3 starting catchers per league. [/QUOTE]Well said Glenn and I do not think anyone besides the rookie asking a very valid question suggested blanking out the spot. I have never done it but I can certainly see where a Redmond or Valentine in round 30 makes more sense than a lot of guys.

The past 2 years catcher has been the hardest thing to find on waivers only 2 I can think of have helped at all Paulino and Napoli. If you do not draft it you probably will not fix it on waivers.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:26 am

Forgot to add, in a points league, you'd be correct. However, in a rotisserie-style league, negative value can be achieved. Better to get nothing than negative...

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:43 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Forgot to add, in a points league, you'd be correct. However, in a rotisserie-style league, negative value can be achieved. Better to get nothing than negative... Great point. And this year, at least, there seemed to be a greater selection of at catchers with at least mediocre counting stats and decent BA...at least compared to the last couple of years.

I have used two strategies..and anchor catcher and a end-game gamble/part-timer and using relatively high draft picks (say in the 9th to 14th rounds) to get two catchers who may not actually contribute, but at least won't hurt you. Last year I did Barrett (9th) and Estrada (17th?). Worked pretty well.

I hate the lost opportunity cost of using too high (before 16th round) draft picks to lock down the position, but that is what I did this year (Barrett in the 9th again and AJ in the 13th). We'll see how that works.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:57 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Forgot to add, in a points league, you'd be correct. However, in a rotisserie-style league, negative value can be achieved. Better to get nothing than negative... Great point. And this year, at least, there seemed to be a greater selection of at catchers with at least mediocre counting stats and decent BA...at least compared to the last couple of years.

I have used two strategies..and anchor catcher and a end-game gamble/part-timer and using relatively high draft picks (say in the 9th to 14th rounds) to get two catchers who may not actually contribute, but at least won't hurt you. Last year I did Barrett (9th) and Estrada (17th?). Worked pretty well.

I hate the lost opportunity cost of using too high (before 16th round) draft picks to lock down the position, but that is what I did this year (Barrett in the 9th again and AJ in the 13th). We'll see how that works. [/QUOTE]I wanted Barrett pretty badly just was going to wait until the 10th, AJP is great value in round 13. I paired AJP and Estrada last year in later rounds and was happy. Love that I got Kenji in the 11th this year, do not think Kendall in the 20th was my wisest move of the day, but Jeff Peters told me he would have taken him at the 20/21 turn. In hindsight the guy he got there Bard may be the better play.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:10 am

I just hope Barrett is wearing an extra-heavy duty cup this year!

thinkjohn · Post by **thinkjohn** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:17 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by steve:

King of Queens you are saying that going with 1 catcher only is good,,you are wrong along with the amazing chest rockwell who knows everything,,,the difference u lose in batting avg does not outweight the hr rbi runs u get from a 2nd lousy catcher..Do the math..A bad 2nd cathcer usually gets 5 hr and 30-40 rbis, 30 runs. Would you rather go without those stats to preserve batting avg..ridiculous! Asd another poster wrote that cathers do not get alot of at bats anyway! Depends who the second catcher is. Believe it or not, some carry negative value -- on average, this will be the case with 3 starting catchers per league. [/QUOTE]Well said Glenn and I do not think anyone besides the rookie asking a very valid question suggested blanking out the spot. I have never done it but I can certainly see where a Redmond or Valentine in round 30 makes more sense than a lot of guys.

The past 2 years catcher has been the hardest thing to find on waivers only 2 I can think of have helped at all Paulino and Napoli. If you do not draft it you probably will not fix it on waivers. [/QUOTE]Based on last year's stats, of the top 30 catchers, 11 had negative value. That does not even include every catcher, only the best 30. That leaves tons of negative value catchers.

We figure that there is no difference between a catcher drafted in the 23rd round or the 30th round. So we just grab two at 29 and 30.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:22 am

Which two?

thinkjohn · Post by **thinkjohn** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:32 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Which two? LaRue and Navarro. Can't remember the order though...

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:01 am

Hope it works for you and it could. Neither will help your BA, but LaRue has been getting some spring training buzz and he has shown some decent power in the past. Good luck!

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:11 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by steve:

King of Queens you are saying that going with 1 catcher only is good,,you are wrong along with the amazing chest rockwell who knows everything,,,the difference u lose in batting avg does not outweight the hr rbi runs u get from a 2nd lousy catcher..Do the math..A bad 2nd cathcer usually gets 5 hr and 30-40 rbis, 30 runs. Would you rather go without those stats to preserve batting avg..ridiculous! Asd another poster wrote that cathers do not get alot of at bats anyway! Depends who the second catcher is. Believe it or not, some carry negative value -- on average, this will be the case with 3 starting catchers per league. [/QUOTE]Well said Glenn and I do not think anyone besides the rookie asking a very valid question suggested blanking out the spot. I have never done it but I can certainly see where a Redmond or Valentine in round 30 makes more sense than a lot of guys.

The past 2 years catcher has been the hardest thing to find on waivers only 2 I can think of have helped at all Paulino and Napoli. If you do not draft it you probably will not fix it on waivers. [/QUOTE]I have found several others, including David Ross.