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This is a question for Greg - but any NFBC vets can feel free to add their two cents.



I am wondering if you have considered an innings limit option for Sat leagues. It seems like there are more than a few owners out there now employing an all-reliever strategy in the Sat leagues. Obviously this is a tactic that will not work in the Main - but I can see how you could be successful with it in Sat's.



My thinking is, that while I think it is a worthy strategy, if I am looking at my Sat draft as a prep for the main, I would prefer to have my draft be as true a reflection of what I will face in the Main Event draft. If you get one or more owners employing the all reliever strategy, then the draft dynamic is altered quite a bit.



Again, I for one would like to see an option for at least a 1000 IP minimum league - this would give me the option of playing in a Sat league where the SP isn't in such danger of being devalued. I admit I don't really like the strategy being so easily implemented in a mixed league.

this also messes up adp given out.

People need to do what what they feel like they need to win. Seems to me it would be easier for a person to win their league if people are dumping cats, i dont get the need to force someone to have a better team. Im am totally agaisnt this. i think the ip should go back to 600 or 550 to let people that want to use the lima or any other stratagy to be able to do that.



These limits and other unnessary rules in the end limit participation in these leagues which is a bad thing.



[ February 24, 2009, 08:41 AM: Message edited by: Bama ]

I didn't advocate changing the rules for every Sat league - merely adding leagues that DO have a limit so that I can have the OPTION to choose to play in one if I like. If you want to play in a league that allows a successful implementation of these strategies, I agree, that you should have the choice. I just want the choice to not be forced to play in those leagues



Choice in the marketplace usually settles these matters - and I guarantee that if you started a SAT league with a limit it would fill very quickly.



IMO, one of the best things about the Main is if you are serious about winning it, you really can't punt any categories. Look at Gekko last year, if he had even one more closer, he probably would have been the overall champ.

1)ALREADY in place - 700 IP minimum for satellites just like main event



2) Ryan - you want a floor not a ceiling...a minimum IP not a limit

Youy are correct about the floor Perry- thanks for clarifying my position.



I do not advocate a limit just a higher floor. Again, I realize it is probably too late to do it for this season, but I think it would be worth exploring for next year. I for one would choose that option for my SAT's.

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

Youy are correct about the floor Perry- thanks for clarifying my position.



I do not advocate a limit just a higher floor. Again, I realize it is probably too late to do it for this season, but I think it would be worth exploring for next year. I for one would choose that option for my SAT's. Why cant people leave well enough alone with the gdamn rules. Thats change this, thats change that to suit me, cry,cry, if anything the limit needs to go back to 400 or 500 ip.

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

This is a question for Greg - but any NFBC vets can feel free to add their two cents.



I am wondering if you have considered an innings limit option for Sat leagues. It seems like there are more than a few owners out there now employing an all-reliever strategy in the Sat leagues. Obviously this is a tactic that will not work in the Main - but I can see how you could be successful with it in Sat's.



My thinking is, that while I think it is a worthy strategy, if I am looking at my Sat draft as a prep for the main, I would prefer to have my draft be as true a reflection of what I will face in the Main Event draft. If you get one or more owners employing the all reliever strategy, then the draft dynamic is altered quite a bit.



Again, I for one would like to see an option for at least a 1000 IP minimum league - this would give me the option of playing in a Sat league where the SP isn't in such danger of being devalued. I admit I don't really like the strategy being so easily implemented in a mixed league. I think 700 IP is a fair level for our satellite leagues and the main events. It allows some folks to still try some unique strategies while forcing owners to still have a few SPs. I've never been opposed to allowing our owners to try different strategies and it forces other owners to see what is going on and adjust. Each league has different ebbs and flows during the draft and allowing a window for a different strategy either on Draft Day or during the season isn't all bad, I think.



Thanks for the suggestion, but 700 IP is a happy medium for all of our leagues, I believe.

Originally posted by Bama:

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

Youy are correct about the floor Perry- thanks for clarifying my position.



I do not advocate a limit just a higher floor. Again, I realize it is probably too late to do it for this season, but I think it would be worth exploring for next year. I for one would choose that option for my SAT's. Why cant people leave well enough alone with the gdamn rules. Thats change this, thats change that to suit me, cry,cry, if anything the limit needs to go back to 400 or 500 ip. [/QUOTE]Look - Bama - there was no crying or emotion in my post. I am merely stating my desire, as a paying customer, to the people who run the site and want me to spend more money. I am letting them know that this owner, me, doesn't really want to play in leagues where these strategies are employed. I don't like it in mixed league play. I would prefer a league that requires you to have a "Rotation" of starters. I believe it makes leagues more fair and more like real baseball. There are many owners who I know like to employ this tactic, and I for one don't join those leagues if I can avoid it. That is my choice.



If you would take a moment to actually think before you rip other people publicly - you will clearly see that I am not calling for the rules to be changed across the board. I am merely expressing my desire for something "additional". My request is no different than those who asked for Slow-Draft Champion Sat's and KJ Dukes salary leagues. These are "New" formats introduced because someone thought to ask for them and players responded to them.



I am sure that Greg and Tom will take my suggestion in the spirit that it was intended and decide for themselves whether there is any merit to it.



[ February 24, 2009, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]

Ryan,



While I wouldn't ever vote to change the rules in mid-stream, I agree with your general premise. I'm currently in a league where 4 people are using the all-RP strategy, and it just makes it lame and of course useless in terms of practicing for the main event. While technically legal, for me personally it detracts from the spirit of the game as the powers that be intended it (Okrent, Waggoner, etc.). And of course the people using these techiques shout that I am ignorant for having this opinion. I'd rather not be in leagues with these people if given the choice. Just my opinion.



-CK

RYAN I SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT GEARING YOUR PRACTICE DRAFT FOR THE MAIN EVENT. I WOULD HAVE CHANGED MY STRATEGY ACCORDING TO MY LEAGUE RULES I STARTED A TOPIC OF THIS EXACT ISSUE AND I WAS ONE OF THE GUYS YOU WERE REFERING TO. WHILE I WAS A LITTLE MORE BALANCED 3OR4 S.P 3 CLOSERS AND 3 M.R. KEEPING MY I.P. DOWN TO HAVE A GOOD E.R.A.AND WHIP AND WAS GIVEN FEEDBACK ABOUT PUNTING WINS AND STRIKEOUTS.TO ME THIS IS THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF FANTASY BASEBALL THE DIFFERENT DYNAMICS OF THE DRAFT STRATEGY TRYING TO GET THAT EDGE ON EVERYONE ELSE OR SETTING A WINNING STANDARD FOR EVERYONE TO ILLUMINATE THEY CHANGED THE SCORING THIS YEAR IN MY HEAD TO HEAD LEAGUES NOW A WIN IS ONLY 7 POINTS AND A LOSS IS -5 I WOULD ONLY START 2 START PITCHERS IN THAT SCORING PERIOD THAT THROWS THAT OUT THE WINDOW ENOUGH RAMBALING YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE I AM COMING FROM? MAYBE NEXT YEAR GREG MAKES A SPECIFIC PRE-DRAFT MAIN EVENT LEAGUE GOOD LUCK AT THE BIG SHOW !!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Sebadiah23:

Ryan,



While I wouldn't ever vote to change the rules in mid-stream, I agree with your general premise. I'm currently in a league where 4 people are using the all-RP strategy, and it just makes it lame and of course useless in terms of practicing for the main event. While technically legal, for me personally it detracts from the spirit of the game as the powers that be intended it (Okrent, Waggoner, etc.). And of course the people using these techiques shout that I am ignorant for having this opinion. I'd rather not be in leagues with these people if given the choice. Just my opinion.



-CK Thanks for the backup there - it's always nice to know you were not totally out on a limb all alone. I still think it is an issue worth discussing because the main reason many play in Sat drafts is to practice for the Main Event. However:



As always, I appreciate Greg's response and respect the decision.



[ February 26, 2009, 02:24 AM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]