Lifetime Standings??

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:08 pm

Greg,

The 2009 "rank" look all F'd up in the Lifetime Standings. How could Andrew Nolan be ranked 743???????????????????????????

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:06 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Greg,

The 2009 "rank" look all F'd up in the Lifetime Standings. How could Andrew Nolan be ranked 743??????????????????????????? I know. I alerted STATS about this weeks ago. All of the 2009 rankings are being calculated wrongly and have been for weeks. I'll light another fire under this one.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:45 am

Actually Greg, I am using it to light a fire under Stevieland to get their arse in gear...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:42 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

Actually Greg, I am using it to light a fire under Stevieland to get their arse in gear... I believe this is fixed now. Sorry for the problems here.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:43 am

Greg,

Much better, but something is still a bit off as Christopher Stephenson is 12th whereas I am 15th, yet we are one in the same, and all the numbers are the same except for the 2009 Average Rank.

[ June 16, 2009, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Joe Sambito ]

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:20 am

maybe it's me, but how could someone (Shawn Johnson) who has only played the NFBC this year and last year and has NOT won a league championship be the TOP RANKED PLAYER IN THE LIFETIME NFBC STANDINGS???

:rolleyes:

come on! no offense to Shawn, but the LIFETIME standings are a joke as is. there HAS to be a better way.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:23 am

maybe have it sortable by 6 yr avg, 5yr avg, 4 yr avg, 3 yr avg, 2 year avg.

that way you can see who the best has been for the past 6 years or the best for the past 2 years.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:13 am

Gekko's right.

Indeed, if you look just at last year and this year thus far (through June 15), Gekko is #2 with an adjusted rank of 10.64, far better than the 22.22 and 23.78 currently listed as leading.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:28 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

maybe have it sortable by 6 yr avg, 5yr avg, 4 yr avg, 3 yr avg, 2 year avg.

that way you can see who the best has been for the past 6 years or the best for the past 2 years. Correct. The numbers are what they are. It's not a joke that someone leads in the Lifetime Standings if we agree to put in all players with two or more years in the NFBC. We've had this discussion before. The key is to make these sortable by number of years so that everyone can find the Lifetime Standings leader of their liking.

We do have some errors when it comes to co-managers and I've asked STATS to look into this. That and certain owners may be listed multiple times if the spelling of their name is off one character or any number of reasons. That part still needs to be cleaned up. But the best solution if you want to compare Shawn Johnson to Shawn Childs is to include players who have competed in the NFBC main event 2 or more years and then have the years sortable after that. We don't have that function yet, however. In time, I hope to accomplish that.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:25 am

Phantom partial excerpt of Matt Berry (ESPN) interviewing Greg Ambrosius

MB: Greg, how long has the NFBC been in existence?

GA: This is our 6th year now and the contest is growing each year. Just this year alone, we’ve doubled the amount of leagues we are running.

MB: In this economy, fantastic job doubling!! After 6 years, have any owners really stood out from the crowd and established themselves as the “fantasy baseball elite”?

GA: I firmly believe anyone can do well at fantasy baseball; however, yes, a few owners have been consistently good throughout the years.

MB: Do you have a lifetime leaderboard? If so, who is at the top and what got him/her there?

GA: Of course we have a lifetime leaderboard. As of right now, Shawn Johnson is the top ranked lifetime NFBC player in the main event.

MB: Greg, what about the second part to the question? What got him there? What are his accomplishments?

GA: Well he’s only been playing with us a year and a half, and he’s never even won his league but he's done good in that year and a half. We are hoping our back-end site STATS can have the leaderboard programmed so it can be sortable based on # of years playing.

MB: Interesting. 6 year event. Lifetime leader is someone who has played a year and a half and has never won his own league. Man, with those qualifications, sign me up for next year!! I can be the #1 ranked lifetime player in the NFBC next year!!!

{Again, no offense to Shawn, it coulda been anyone there)

[ June 17, 2009, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:01 am

GG, you missed the interview by a few strokes. Just last week a free-lancer from ESPN The Magazine called to ask if he could interview some of the top NFBC players in our contest's history and to give him their qualifications. I gave him five of our top players to contact based on our past six years. It was easy to do: Only two guys have won three league titles in five seasons and only a few others have consistently been in the Top 50 every year or won the $100,000 grand prize plus other league titles. I sent him to the right people and this reporter didn't even need to question why he wasn't interviewing Shawn Johnson (no offense).

We have Lifetime Standings for everyone who has competed 2 or more years. Until we can sort them by years, you will just have to sort through the facts to see who the top players are. All of the data is there for you to load into Excel and do a better job than we've done so far.

Matt has one year of results in the NFBC. He's going to need a good second season to move up in the NFBC Lifetime Standings.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:52 am

Funny stuff Greg!!! Even you know not to put any weight on the current lifetime rankings!!! ROLMAO!!!

Can’t wait for them to be meaningful. Hopefully they can get this done before the end of the season. Thanks for following up on this.

[ June 17, 2009, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:10 am

btw, out of the "LIFETIME" NFBC rankings, 7 of the TOP 10 owners have only played two years in the NFBC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:47 am

While this request has been with STATS a while (months?), Gekko got it done over lunch.

Due to MB space constraints, I’m only listing the Top 10 for each category. Here we go…

6 Years in the NFBC

Rank Owner Avg

1 Shawn Childs *** 28

2 Christopher Stephenson * 42

3 Andrew Nolan * 43

4 Stephen Jupinka *** 44

5 Mark Srebro ** 55

6 Eric Price 58

7 Scott and Jason Zeidman * 58

8 Rick Thomas * 61

9 Martin Bedell 63

10 Karl Mische 65

5 Years in the NFBC

Rank Owner Avg

1 David Clum * 49

2 Brent Grooms * 62

3 Lindy Hinkelman 64

4 David Van Der Stuyf * 68

5 Dickie V 68

6 Nick Cassavetes 68

7 Brian Oakchunas 73

8 David DiDonato ** 74

9 Jeff Thomas ** 74

10 Pat DePirro * 75

4 Years in the NFBC

Rank Owner Avg

1 Lopi Asch * 31

2 Bob Mazur ** 54

3 Jared Eagle ** 55

4 Mrs. Josh Hamilton * 56

5 Eric Peden * 64

6 Kevin Kirves * 66

7 Brian Eagle * 70

8 Stephen Fiore 74

9 Jason Duponte 77

10 Michael Bozzi 77

3 Years in the NFBC

Rank Owner Avg

1 Aaron Smith 25

2 Tim Short 43

3 Chris Poulson ** 66

4 Ned Donohue * 66

5 Richard Kulaski 71

6 Joseph Monaco * 72

7 Andy Kaufmann * 73

8 Kyle Borth 74

9 Scott Jenstad 78

10 James Rodriguez 79

2 Years in the NFBC

Rank Owner Avg

1 Shawn Johnson 21

2 Richard McCormick * 23

3 Fred Zinkie 28

4 Win Murray 31

5 Barry Fishman * 33

6 Keith Voight 39

7 Jim Thelen * 39

8 Rob Dykhoff * 44

9 Stewart Cables * 47

10 Kevin Deckel * 49

Past 3 years (owners had to have played all 3 years)

Rank Owner Avg

1 Mark Srebro ** 9

2 Shawn Childs *** 23

3 Phillip McDonald ** 32

4 Scott and Jason Zeidman * 33

5 Michael Edelman 33

6 Kevin Kirves * 35

7 Lindy Hinkelman 35

8 John Dean * 38

9 Lopi Asch * 39

10 Edward Nolan * 41

Past 2 years (owners had to have played both years)

Rank Owner Avg

1 Scott and Jason Zeidman * 9

2 Mark Srebro ** 11

3 Peter Lukowicz * 14

4 Kevin Kirves * 16

5 Shawn Johnson 21

6 David Clum * 22

7 Richard McCormick * 23

8 Eddie Gillis 27

9 Fred Zinkie 28

10 Scott Jenstad 29

[ June 17, 2009, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:57 am

Hate to beat a dead horse, but STATS has been wrong on the lifetime standings since just about the lifetime standings' inception.

They are still wrong, whether or not one sorts them by year.

For example, Aaron Smith is currently ranked third overall.

Here is his line:

2007 15th, adjusted average 12.00

2008 54th, adjusted average 38.34

2009 243rd, adjusted average 179.82

Simple math would put Mr. Smith with an OVERALL adjusted average for all three years at 76.62. [(12.00 + 38.34 + 179.82)/3 = 76.72]

However, the third ranked Mr. Smith has an OVERALL adjusted STATS average of 25.17.

Apparently, STATS isn't including 2009 (adjusted average 179.82) in Mr. Smith's totals, but instead is using only 2007 (adjusted average 12.00), and 2008 (adjusted average 38.34)

(12.00 + 38.34)/2 = 25.17, which reflects where STATS has placed Mr. Smith. Of course, no one else seems to be permitted to throw out his/her worst year, as STATS has done for Mr. Smith.

Gekko should move up one more spot in the lifetime rankings.

I'm just using Mr. Smith as an example. There are definitely many more errors, such as Mrs. Josh Hamilton.

Mrs. H has a four year STATS OVERALL adjusted average of 56.45, which sounds pretty good, until you do the math.

2006 110th, adjusted average 100.10

2007 16th, adjusted average 12.80

2008 163rd, adjusted average 115.73

2009 94th, adjusted average 69.56

To calculate Mrs. Josh Hamilton's OVERALL adjusted average, one would need to merely add the four adjusted averages, and divide by four.

100.10 + 12.80 + 115.73 + 69.56 = 298.19

298.19/4 = 74.55.

So, Mrs. H's OVERALL adjusted average is 74.55. However, her STATS OVERALL adjusted average is 56.45.

For anyone mathematically challenged, the above adjusted average calculations are correct, as confirmed by Shawn Childs' (the real lifetime leader) numbers:

2004 3rd, adjusted average 4.29

2005 5th, adjusted average 5.00

2006 102nd, adjusted average 92.82

2007 3rd, adjusted average 2.40

2008 57th, adjusted average 40.47

2009 35th, adjusted average 25.90

4.29 + 5.00 + 92.82 + 2.40 + 40.47+ 25.90 = 170.88

170.59/6 = 28.48

Shawn Childs' OVERALL adjusted average as calculated by STATS is 28.48, the exact same as it is with the above calculation.

So, STATS gets it right on some, perhaps even most, but has errors on others.

Sorry, it appears that for these to be of any help, the lifetime standings need a lot more than a sorting capability.

Buster

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:03 am

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:55 am

sorr, last pic didn't stick. how bout this one?

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:55 am

If you compare Chris Paulson (LR- 37) and Aaron Smith (LR 3)- both great competitors- you will see a significant technical flaw in the calculations. Both have competed 3 years; Chris (14, 13, 239) is ahead or finished higher all three years, but Aaron (15, 54, 243) is rated significantly higher.

I don't have an issue with the ranking system, as it is but one of many views; but that view should be accurate.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:39 am

More on Lifetime Standings.

STATS is using an Adjusted overall ranking, so that it can compare years where there were different numbers of participants. This is certainly the right idea, as finishing 190th out of 190 is far different from finishing 190th out of 390.

Here are the numbers of participants each year:

2004 195 participants

2005 300 participants

2006 330 participants

2007 375 participants

2008 390 participants

2009 390 participants

STATS has chosen to use 2005 as the base year, and compare the other years to 2005. Parenthetically, if performed correctly, this calculation isn’t dependent upon which year STATS chooses as the base year.

Therefore, as there were only 195 participants in 2004, and the base year had 300 participants, STATS should use an ADJUSTMENT FACTOR of 1.54 to adjust 2004 results to the base year results (300 / 195).

However, if you look at the final 2004 standings, you will find an additional 15 teams listed. These fifteen teams are labeled as “Test” teams. In STATS world, even though these teams didn’t compete, and even though each team earned an impossible zero points per team, each of these teams are listed and therefore they somehow exist. So, STATS is using an ADJUSTMENT FACTOR instead of 1.43 (300/ 210).

If you look at 2004 standings, you will see that Artie Rastelli , who won the league, has a 1.43 Adjusted Ranking for 2004. Shawn Childs , who finished 3rd overall, has an Adjusted Ranking of 4.29, which just happens to be 3 times 1.43. Further evidence of the use of this incorrect ADJUSTMENT FACTOR is that Mark Srebro , who finished 93rd, has an Adjusted Ranking of (93 x 1.43) 132.99.

In 2005, the ADJUSTMENT FACTOR is one, as STATS is using the base 300 as the control number. Hence, participants’ ranking in 2005 correspond exactly with each participants’ 2005 Adjusted Ranking. Childs finished 5th, and has an Adjusted Ranking of 5. Srebro finished 74th, and has an Adjusted Ranking of 74. Stephen Jupinka finished 18th, and has an Adjusted Ranking of 18, and Brian Oldenski finished first, and has an Adjusted Ranking of 1.

In 2006, there were a total of 330 participants, so STATS should use an ADJUSTMENT FACTOR of 0.91 (300/330). STATS is indeed using that factor, as evidenced by 2nd place finisher Rick Thomas who has an Adjusted Ranking of 1.82 (0.91 x 2), Srebro with a 106th place finish and an Adjusted Ranking of 96.46 (0.91 x 106), and Shawn Childs with an Adjusted Ranking of 92.82 (102nd place x 0.91 factor).

In 2007, there were 375 participants, so the proper ADJUSTMENT FACTOR should be 0.80 (300/375). STATS is using the right number, as evidenced by Childs’ 3rd place finish (3 x .80) for an Adjusted Ranking of 2.40, Srebro’s 5th place finish (5 x .80) for an Adjusted Ranking of 4.0, and Aaron Smith’s 15th place finish for an Adjusted Ranking of 12.0 (15 x. .80). Champion Terry Haney has an Adjusted Ranking of 0.80.

In 2008, there were 390 participants, so the proper ADJUSTMENT FACTOR should be 0.77 (300/390). STATS is using the incorrect ADJUSTMENT FACTOR of 0.71 for reasons unknown. That ADJUSTMENT FACTOR equates to a total of 422.5 teams, which of course we didn’t have in 2008.

You can check this by looking at champion Robert Jurney who has a 2008 Adjusted Ranking of 0.71. Childs’ 57th ranking should equate to 43.89 (300/390 x 57), but STATS has it listed as 40.47, and Srebro’s 6th place finish which should equate to an Adjusted Ranking of 4.62. Instead, STATS assigned an Adjusted Ranking of 4.26.

Amazingly, as there are the same number of teams in 2009 as there were in 2008, STATS uses a different ADJUSTMENT FACTOR for 2009 than it does for 2008. In 2009, STATS is using an ADJUSTMENT FACTOR of 0.74. This equates to 405 teams (300/405). Of course, there are only 390 teams this year. This causes the 2009 results to be incorrect, as well.

So, just on the ADJUSTMENT FACTOR, it is clear that numbers for 2004, 2008 and 2009 are incorrect, causing the Lifetime Standings to be incorrect, as well.

Just another issue that STATS needs to address if our Lifetime Standings are going to be meaningful.

Buster

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:48 am

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:23 pm

GG,

Can you paste the entire list the standings you generated from the past 3 years?? (only owners that have played all 3 years)

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:15 pm

tomorrow.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:07 pm

Since when has STATS ever impressed anyone?

They only do what they are told to do...they have no initiative to do anything on their own...and they wait until they feel like doing it...and do it half assed.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:13 am

Originally posted by rkulaski:

GG,

Can you paste the entire list the standings you generated from the past 3 years?? (only owners that have played all 3 years) this is based on the adjusted avg produced by STATS. if STATS calculated them wrong, these are wrong...

1 Mark Srebro ** 9

2 Shawn Childs *** 23

3 Phillip McDonald ** 32

4 Scott and Jason Zeidman * 33

5 Michael Edelman 33

6 Kevin Kirves * 35

7 Lindy Hinkelman 35

8 John Dean * 38

9 Lopi Asch * 39

10 Edward Nolan * 41

11 Bob Mazur ** 41

12 Tim Short 43

13 David Clum * 49

14 Paul Weber 51

15 Steve Wells 54

16 Eddie Gillis 54

17 Jeff Dobies ** 60

18 Kenneth Magner 61

19 Nick Cassavetes 61

20 Sean Brinlee 65

21 Chris Poulson ** 66

22 Ned Donohue * 66

23 Mrs. Josh Hamilton * 66

24 Jules McLean 66

25 Jared Eagle ** 66

26 Brian Eagle * 66

27 Stephen Jupinka *** 66

28 Christopher Stephenson * 67

29 Andrew Nolan * 67

30 Terrence Haney * 70

31 Stephen Fiore 70

32 Richard Kulaski 71

33 Brian Oakchunas 71

34 Martin Bedell 71

35 Rick Thomas * 72

36 Kyle Borth 74

37 Ray Murphy 75

38 David Van Der Stuyf * 76

39 Jason Duponte 77

40 Aaron Smith 77

41 Scott Williams 77

42 Donn Johnson 77

43 Eric Price 78

44 Scott Jenstad 78

45 Dickie V 79

46 James Rodriguez 79

47 David Biester * 80

48 Eric Albright 81

49 Peter Lukowicz * 84

50 Scott Fleming 85

51 David Longood 86

52 Eddy Betancourt * 86

53 Mike Wilson * 86

54 Michael Bozzi 88

55 Scott Newman 88

56 James Cummings 88

57 Winston Sapigao * 90

58 Aaron Seefeldt * 91

59 Mike Diedrich 91

60 Richard Lepow 92

61 Mike O'Connor 93

62 Brent Grooms * 93

63 Ron Ludwin 94

64 Cory Sarge 96

65 Thomas Greenwald * 98

66 Todd Zola 98

67 David DiDonato ** 99

68 Jay Bufis 99

69 Gregory Glukhovsky 99

70 Bradley Miller 100

71 Erik Konyk 104

72 Bill Strickler 104

73 J.P. Kastner 104

74 David Deterra * 105

75 Billy McAleer * 105

76 David Geisinger 105

77 Clark Olson ** 107

78 Dave McDonald 107

79 Douglas Jaffe ** 108

80 Ryan Messick 109

81 Mark Wigent 109

82 Karl Mische 109

83 David Conkey * 110

84 Matthew Snoga * 110

85 Henry Tang 110

86 Oscar Solamillos 110

87 David Cushard 110

88 Masters 111

89 Rob Maysey 111

90 Joe Kruk * 112

91 Joe Martino * 113

92 Gino Yu * 113

93 Larry Schechter 115

94 John Kerr 115

95 Robert Zidonik 115

96 Rich Sutton 115

97 Joseph Anello ** 119

98 VINNY MARCONE 119

99 Andre Bourcier * 121

100 Sullivan * 123

101 Pat Tremaglio * 123

102 Kevin Sullivan 123

103 Will Robertson 125

104 Jesse Herron * 125

105 Bruce Lev 126

106 Greg Marta 126

107 Frank Heron 126

108 Bruce Bevacqua 127

109 Todd Nord 128

110 Chris Beeler 129

111 Erik Sudigala 130

112 matt mickle ** 131

113 Peter A. Plati III * 131

114 KJ Duke * 132

115 Ari Benjamin 133

116 damien passalacqua 133

117 Dan Kenyon ** 133

118 Chris Garcia 133

119 Don Mathis 133

120 Kent Stermon * 134

121 Ed O'Donnell 135

122 Ed O'Donnell 135

123 Emmett Ruland 136

124 Joe Thelen ** 136

125 Lowell Kaplan * 136

126 John Hogan ** 139

127 Kevin Bass 139

128 rusty clark 141

129 Charles Bennett 142

130 Craig Kielinski * 142

131 Korey Gardner 143

132 Chris Dalzell 144

133 Tom Brennan 144

134 Leonard Ringle * 144

135 Brian Walton 145

136 Mark Laronga 145

137 Gerry Scotto Di Marco 146

138 John Zaleski 147

139 Tom Lord ** 148

140 Andrew Robinson 148

141 Robert Giese 149

142 Larry Lensak 150

143 Patrick Gagne 151

144 Glenn Schroter * 151

145 Brian Zirlin 151

146 Josh Jantas 151

147 Randy Barbour 152

148 William Tyrer 153

149 John Rundle 154

150 Kelly Uganski * 155

151 Terry Passalacqua 158

152 Jim Mieszala 158

153 Lenny Diveglio 160

154 Joe Anthony 160

155 Jason Aberli 160

156 Rey Diaz 161

157 Mike Duggan 162

158 Ira Kerker 163

159 Emo Bonaminio 164

160 Perry Mullin 164

161 Duke Viveros 164

162 Mullin 164

163 John Crane 164

164 Boaz Levy 165

165 Adam Lippert 165

166 Stephen Ranaghan 165

167 Ken O'Brien 166

168 Kevin Grady 167

169 Jason Steeves 167

170 Dan Semsel 168

171 Artie Rastelli * 168

172 Carl Borgatti 169

173 Michael Crescenzi 170

174 Jeff Peters * 170

175 David Martino 171

176 Trevor Braunig 171

177 Carlos Barrionuevo 171

178 Paul Spradling 171

179 Dr. Matt Hickok 172

180 Steve Pletkin * 172

181 Chris Hill 174

182 Lance Turbes 174

183 Joshua Sack 174

184 Kenneth Norred 174

185 Robert Jurney ** 175

186 Mark Yagan * 176

187 Jim Ferrari 176

188 John Wojtowicz 177

189 Scott Keikoan 178

190 Richard Gordon 180

191 Gregg Janoff 181

192 Dohn Terrell Jr. 182

193 Wayne Edwards 182

194 William Burak 183

195 Marc Meltzer 184

196 Michael Pomponio 185

197 Bob Ashmen 185

198 Albert Petit 185

199 Chris Kleemann 186

200 Pete Baczynski 186

201 Thomas McDevitt 186

202 Gregory Morgan * 187

203 Dale Morgan * 187

204 Richard Kidd 191

205 Jeff Meyer 191

206 Jack Haan 192

207 Perry Van Hook 192

208 Michael Cameron * 193

209 George Beason 194

210 Steven Tavoso * 195

211 Chris Throop 198

212 R.T. Davis 198

213 Ron Kraus 200

214 Nick Cole 203

215 Dominic Cirigliano 207

216 Peter Berall 208

217 Sandi Kleemann 209

218 James Fares 210

219 Salvatore Vella 213

220 Robert DeNofrio 216

221 Chris Schinker 217

222 Schinker 217

223 Jeff Cooper * 218

224 Steven Janovici 221

225 John Swol * 222

226 Allen Kimman 226

227 David Zwickel 230

228 John S. Longo 232

229 John S Longo 232

230 Michael Kleemann 232

231 George Kleemann 233

232 Jim Nicola 234

233 Carl Greer 238

234 Charlie Wiegert 240

235 Leif Lasagne 242

236 John Menna 250

237 George Puhl 267

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:35 am

Buster, thanks for the thorough review of the Lifetime Standings. I know you've sent something similar to this before and we've reached out to STATS to get this corrected, but it doesn't look like the problem has been fixed. I've sent this to them again this morning and we'll see if we can get the year-to-year calculations correct. The final standings for the most part (still have problems with some co-managers) is accurate and now we need to get the adjusted rankings for each year with 300 teams as the baseline correct.

Again, thanks for this and I'll ask for some help on this. Trust me, nobody wants to get this completely correct than yours truly. Our Lifetime Standings are important to the history of the NFBC and it's something we want to expand on with our Online Championship. Thanks for the help.