Official Juan Pierre_is_DOA_Thread

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:57 am

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

Make your own interpretation, folks, or you can let Joe Torre spin it for you

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:15 am

Or is it the Dodgers?

It's hard to believe that Torre has the ability to make a big $ decision like that.

I figure one of two things is happening. It could be the same thing that got Johnny Damon in Boston. The Dodgers could have hired a sabermetrician that says OBP is everything and SB is nothing. Or, there may already be a trade in place, but not finalized. Hence, they can't play Pierre for fear of injury. And, the Dodgers don't want that to happen since there is a lot of money tied up in Pierre.

So does anyone know whether the Dodgers or not hired themselves one of these new-fangled Bill James-types?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:20 am

There is no truth to the rumors that the Dodgers have hired the Advisory Board.

kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:37 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by kgrady:

I have no choice but to hold onto him for a while. In my case, Pierre has some company. I'm stuck (for a while) holding onto Bobby Howry and Carlos Marmol as I wait for Kerry Wood to go on the DL or cough up the closer job.

i hear ya. it's tough holding onto players, esp when you have 3 or more of them. it's not just holding on to them and not getting any immediate production that stings. it's also the opportunity cost. imagine if didn't bid on braun, gallardo, lincecum, etc... last year because you were "holding on" to many players. more realistic examples would be missing out on 2 start pitchers. good luck! [/QUOTE]Gordon,

Fortunately, Carlos Marmol is a good enough pitcher that I can justify having him active even if he is not the Cubs' closer. That alleviates the clogging of my reserve spots to some extent, but your point is still quite valid. If I get hit with an injury or two, I may be compelled to release possible closer-in-waiting Bobby Howry.

Kevin

kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:46 am

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

It's hard to believe that Torre has the ability to make a big $ decision like that.

I figure one of two things is happening. It could be the same thing that got Johnny Damon in Boston. The Dodgers could have hired a sabermetrician that says OBP is everything and SB is nothing. The Dodgers sort of went the Sabermetric route with Paul DePodesta as GM and that didn't work out too well. I'm inclined to think this is more of a Joe Torre decision, which is curious in that Torre is not a heavily analytical type of manager. Perhaps Torre simply expects his outfielders to provide some pop in his line-up? The most similar outfielder to Pierre that Joe had with the Yankees was an aging Kenny Lofton. Torre was definitely not a Lofton fan.

Kevin

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:00 am

Could possibly be that Torre is just giving his team the best chance to win. Unfortunately that doesnt happen often enough because of money.

jamesmaples · Post by **jamesmaples** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:11 am

Is it possible that Pierre will platoon with all three outfield positions?

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:27 am

Maybe Pierre will be heading to Chicago for Joe Crede. The question is, how much contract will LA eat?

Ethier may have gone 0 for 4, but if Pierre saw him cut off a ball hit down the line and hold the hit to a single after he fired a dart to 2B, I don't think he was laughing. Especially not after DeWitt scooped the next ground ball and turned a double play, stranding a man on 3rd wheb the game was 3-0. Could have been 3-1 or 3-2 at least. To us, defense doesn't count in the standing, but it does in the playing time.

Pierre for Crede...at least LA can dump Crede by letting him walk.

Gekko is right, you don't sit thw veteran, espcially with the streak to open the season if they are platooning. MESSAGE SENT - PACK A BAG...

Unless of course they turn and trade Ethier instead

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:48 am

Pierre's not going anywhere. Forget the fantasy tilt for a second. No one in their right mind will take that contract and why should LA eat it just to move him ? Sure LA is overpaying him immensely but this is a team built to win now. He can fill in all 3 OF spots. He'll see enough p/t to keep him sharp thru Kemp's malingering and Ethier being Ethier. If anything he'll be a great pinch runner and will factor in the pinch hitting side too. He's getting paid a king's ransom so he can zip his lip about not playing every day. He doesn't seem to be boat rocker (at least from where I can see).

If you're rostering Pierre you'll just have to wait out an injury or ineffectiveness from a starter. No different than rostering an Owens or a Pods or a Freel

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:16 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Pierre's not going anywhere. Forget the fantasy tilt for a second. No one in their right mind will take that contract and why should LA eat it just to move him ? Sure LA is overpaying him immensely but this is a team built to win now. He can fill in all 3 OF spots. He'll see enough p/t to keep him sharp thru Kemp's malingering and Ethier being Ethier. If anything he'll be a great pinch runner and will factor in the pinch hitting side too. He's getting paid a king's ransom so he can zip his lip about not playing every day. He doesn't seem to be boat rocker (at least from where I can see).

If you're rostering Pierre you'll just have to wait out an injury or ineffectiveness from a starter. No different than rostering an Owens or a Pods or a Freel It's not nearly as much fun, but your angle is probably the right one.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:25 am

juan pierre is not a major league outfielder. never has been, never will be. i watched the minny game last night. gomez will be a very good center fielder. he is faster than pierre and about 7 inches taller with a nice arm. the white sox already have a center fielder in brian anderson and a faster player than pierre who also can't play center field in owens. 2 dumbest contracts in baseball= 50 mill for a guy that wants to play but can't and 70 mill to a guy that can play but has no interest.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:40 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Pierre's not going anywhere. Forget the fantasy tilt for a second. No one in their right mind will take that contract and why should LA eat it just to move him ? Sure LA is overpaying him immensely but this is a team built to win now. He can fill in all 3 OF spots. He'll see enough p/t to keep him sharp thru Kemp's malingering and Ethier being Ethier. If anything he'll be a great pinch runner and will factor in the pinch hitting side too. He's getting paid a king's ransom so he can zip his lip about not playing every day. He doesn't seem to be boat rocker (at least from where I can see).

If you're rostering Pierre you'll just have to wait out an injury or ineffectiveness from a starter. No different than rostering an Owens or a Pods or a Freel Well done.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:26 pm

What's all the ruckus?

After tonight, Pierre will have as many starts as KEMP!!

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:33 pm

Originally posted by headhunters:

juan pierre is not a major league outfielder. never has been, never will be. i watched the minny game last night. gomez will be a very good center fielder. he is faster than pierre and about 7 inches taller with a nice arm. the white sox already have a center fielder in brian anderson and a faster player than pierre who also can't play center field in owens. 2 dumbest contracts in baseball= 50 mill for a guy that wants to play but can't and 70 mill to a guy that can play but has no interest. 7 inches taller?

Any idea about his skill with the ladies?

I want all the important stats...

Dyv

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:50 pm

Ha Ha!!!

Matt Kemp, who hit third in Monday's season opener, is out of the lineup in favor of Juan Pierre on Tuesday.

This was a definite source of concern. The Dodgers aren't going to forget about Pierre, and it makes more sense to sit Kemp against a right-hander than Andre Ethier. It'd be best for all parties if the Dodgers could find a taker for Pierre's contract. Manager Joe Torre made the right decision to turn him into a fourth outfielder, but he's probably not going to be the true fourth outfielder he should be.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:58 pm

So now pierre AND kemp owners get part-time players. Even better than b4!!!!!!!

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:41 pm

Originally posted by Dyv:

Any idea about his skill with the ladies?

I heard that he had a hard time getting to first base, but once he was on he really knew how to slide into second

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:59 pm

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

quote:Originally posted by Dyv:

Any idea about his skill with the ladies?

I heard that he had a hard time getting to first base, but once he was on he really knew how to slide into second

[/QUOTE]He tends to grab at second, feel for third, and then he slides into home!!