Bad Closers

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:51 pm

With apologies to DOUGHBOYS, here's some more negativity. How many closer blowups have we seen already this season? Blecchhh!

So far we've had

Huston Street

Kerry Wood

Eric Gagne

Tom Gordon

Matt Capps

Blecchhh!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:57 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

With apologies to DOUGHBOYS, here's some more negativity. How many closer blowups have we seen already this season? Blecchhh!

So far we've had

Huston Street

Kerry Wood

Eric Gagne

Tom Gordon

Matt Capps

Blecchhh! That wasn't a Capps blowup, that was a Jason Bay WTF was he doing on what should have been the final out blowup. This, in addition to his 0-6 at the plate. Nice game Bay! Take that Bay-believers.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:57 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

With apologies to DOUGHBOYS, here's some more negativity. How many closer blowups have we seen already this season? Blecchhh!

So far we've had

Huston Street

Kerry Wood

Eric Gagne

Tom Gordon

Matt Capps

Blecchhh! outside of capps, does any of these really surprise you?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:14 pm

C'mon now...Gag-knee and Lacey EARNED that win.

Earned I says.

~Lance

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:14 pm

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

With apologies to DOUGHBOYS, here's some more negativity. How many closer blowups have we seen already this season? Blecchhh!

So far we've had

Huston Street

Kerry Wood

Eric Gagne

Tom Gordon

Matt Capps

Blecchhh! outside of capps, does any of these really surprise you? [/QUOTE]Since I have Street in three NFBC leagues, I can safely say that I was surprised by his Blecchhy performance in Japan.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:20 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

With apologies to DOUGHBOYS, here's some more negativity. How many closer blowups have we seen already this season? Blecchhh!

So far we've had

Huston Street

Kerry Wood

Eric Gagne

Tom Gordon

Matt Capps

Blecchhh! outside of capps, does any of these really surprise you? [/QUOTE]Since I have Street in three NFBC leagues, I can safely say that I was surprised by his Blecchhy performance in Japan. [/QUOTE]i hope you have embree on reserve

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:20 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

C'mon now...Gag-knee and Lacey EARNED that win.

Earned I says.

~Lance When Greg Gagne used to be the shortstop for the Twins, and Chris Berman used to be the regular anchor of SportsCenter, I always liked his nickname of Greg Gagne "With A Spoon"

Of course, Eric Gone-YAY pronounces his name a little differently.

On a related note, check out this great website:

www.op.net/~lmk/baseball/berman.htm

Kirt "What was that" Manwaring!!

[ March 31, 2008, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:35 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

C'mon now...Gag-knee and Lacey EARNED that win.

Earned I says.

~Lance When Greg Gagne used to be the shortstop for the Twins, and Chris Berman used to be the regular anchor of SportsCenter, I always liked his nickname of Greg Gagne "With A Spoon"

Of course, Eric Gone-YAY pronounces his name a little differently.

On a related note, check out this great website:

www.op.net/~lmk/baseball/berman.htm

Kirt "What was that" Manwaring!!

[/QUOTE]I know how to say his name...but I'm not speaking French today.

Just today.

WOW...to have that many good-to-great nicknames is a real talent!!!

What a list!

VIVA LA FRANCE!

~Lance

RedRum · Post by **RedRum** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:37 am

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

With apologies to DOUGHBOYS, here's some more negativity. How many closer blowups have we seen already this season? Blecchhh!

So far we've had

Huston Street

Kerry Wood

Eric Gagne

Tom Gordon

Matt Capps

Blecchhh! outside of capps, does any of these really surprise you? [/QUOTE]Again that was NOT Capps' fault.. Remove from this list now!!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:20 am

Do you think you can call MLB and ask them to change the scoring?

Those runs count and it goes down as a bad performance...on the stat sheet!

puddle of nud · Post by **puddle of nud** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:44 am

It was Capps fault....maybe if he could have found the plate you would have a better argument. He couldn't locate so he takes the blame!!

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:49 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Do you think you can call MLB and ask them to change the scoring?

Those runs count and it goes down as a bad performance...on the stat sheet! Yep.

MLB should do something about "giving" wins though.

I think if you "blow a save" (just like Gagne did) NO ONE should receive a win in the stats.

Just my opinion, as the only thing Gagne deserved was a swift kick in the arse!

And no, I don't have him on any teams.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:11 am

Billy, it just doesn't seem same for you over here. Do you want Snake to cross over to baseball?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:22 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Billy, it just doesn't seem same for you over here. Do you want Snake to cross over to baseball? the #1 ranked NFFC player needs a place to chill Shawn. The 800lb gorilla gets tired of having the snake bite his ass all the time

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:23 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Billy, it just doesn't seem same for you over here. Do you want Snake to cross over to baseball? Why does it seem different?

Obviously don't have the track record over here, and it is new, but I will be fine by next year!

2nd year of baseball compared to my 22nd of football is a bit of a gap, but I think I will be able to bridge it somewhat.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:24 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Billy, it just doesn't seem same for you over here. Do you want Snake to cross over to baseball? the #1 ranked NFFC player needs a place to chill Shawn. The 800lb gorilla gets tired of having the snake bite his ass all the time

[/QUOTE]LOL Steve!

You are pretty much right on. Baseball is currently something to "keep me busy", while football is another source of income.

Hopefully baseball can someday be the same, but it will never take the place of football for me.

Thanks for the laugh!

[ April 02, 2008, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:43 am

Would you believe that, since 1957, there have been 15 occasions in which a reliever picked up a win without facing a single batter???

Almost all of these were of the "caught stealing" variety. That is, the reliever came into the game with two outs, an inherited runner was caught stealing, then the pitcher's team scored in the next half-inning.

Sometimes it can get really interesting. In 2006, St. Louis' Tyler Johnson entered a 1-1 game in the top of the 8th with two outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd base. Tyler Johnson works a 2-2 count to Mark Bellhorn of the Padres, then throws a wild pitch allowing the runner on 3rd to score. The runner on 2nd also tries to score, but is thrown out at the plate. Inning ends, and officially, Mark Bellhorn's at-bat never happened. Bottom of the 8th, Pujols hits a three run homer, and the Cardinals hold the lead and win the game. Tyler Johnson is credited with the win...without facing a single batter.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:51 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

football is another source of income.In 2008, make sure to stick with the companies that actually pay what they're promising!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:43 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Billy, it just doesn't seem same for you over here. Do you want Snake to cross over to baseball? Why does it seem different?

Obviously don't have the track record over here, and it is new, but I will be fine by next year!

2nd year of baseball compared to my 22nd of football is a bit of a gap, but I think I will be able to bridge it somewhat.

[/QUOTE]I was talking about the message board battles. You have peace here!!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:09 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Would you believe that, since 1957, there have been 15 occasions in which a reliever picked up a win without facing a single batter???

Almost all of these were of the "caught stealing" variety. That is, the reliever came into the game with two outs, an inherited runner was caught stealing, then the pitcher's team scored in the next half-inning.

Sometimes it can get really interesting. In 2006, St. Louis' Tyler Johnson entered a 1-1 game in the top of the 8th with two outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd base. Tyler Johnson works a 2-2 count to Mark Bellhorn of the Padres, then throws a wild pitch allowing the runner on 3rd to score. The runner on 2nd also tries to score, but is thrown out at the plate. Inning ends, and officially, Mark Bellhorn's at-bat never happened. Bottom of the 8th, Pujols hits a three run homer, and the Cardinals hold the lead and win the game. Tyler Johnson is credited with the win...without facing a single batter. Wow! That is so cool. Something like 70,000 games won over that period, and 15 Wins to guys where the pitcher of record did not record an out or allow an "official" at bat.

Were there any instances in those 15 where the pitcher never addressed the plate (i.e. picked off the third out of the inning without throwing to the plate)?

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:28 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

football is another source of income.In 2008, make sure to stick with the companies that actually pay what they're promising!

[/QUOTE]Only 3 companies in 2008 Glenn, and NONE of them have four letters and start with an "A"!

I have been "ASSURED" that I will receive my payment though. Whether it is before or after he moves to Somalia was not discussed.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:32 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Billy, it just doesn't seem same for you over here. Do you want Snake to cross over to baseball? Why does it seem different?

Obviously don't have the track record over here, and it is new, but I will be fine by next year!

2nd year of baseball compared to my 22nd of football is a bit of a gap, but I think I will be able to bridge it somewhat.

[/QUOTE]I was talking about the message board battles. You have peace here!! [/QUOTE]I hear you Shawn, but I am much like my one satellite team name .... "A Minnow Among Sharks".

Hoping after another year of "seasoning", I will be swimming in a bigger pond!

No Snake IS nice over here, although I have seen some people who have his "potential" (a lot of hot air, and nothing to really back it up).

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:02 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Would you believe that, since 1957, there have been 15 occasions in which a reliever picked up a win without facing a single batter???

Almost all of these were of the "caught stealing" variety. That is, the reliever came into the game with two outs, an inherited runner was caught stealing, then the pitcher's team scored in the next half-inning.

Sometimes it can get really interesting. In 2006, St. Louis' Tyler Johnson entered a 1-1 game in the top of the 8th with two outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd base. Tyler Johnson works a 2-2 count to Mark Bellhorn of the Padres, then throws a wild pitch allowing the runner on 3rd to score. The runner on 2nd also tries to score, but is thrown out at the plate. Inning ends, and officially, Mark Bellhorn's at-bat never happened. Bottom of the 8th, Pujols hits a three run homer, and the Cardinals hold the lead and win the game. Tyler Johnson is credited with the win...without facing a single batter. Wow! That is so cool. Something like 70,000 games won over that period, and 15 Wins to guys where the pitcher of record did not record an out or allow an "official" at bat.

Were there any instances in those 15 where the pitcher never addressed the plate (i.e. picked off the third out of the inning without throwing to the plate)? [/QUOTE]All 15 winning pitchers recorded an official out (0.1 IP). If the pitcher had 0 IP (as in finishing an at-bat due to an injury or ejection), then the original pitcher who he replaced would have gotten the win. The pitcher who officially ends the inning -- in this case, the injured or ejected pitcher -- is the one who gets the win.

As for your never addressing the plate question, the play by play data was only kept starting in the early 90's. Of the 15 instances, 10 of them were in 1993 or later. The only one in which an actual pitch was not thrown, and the reliever still got the win, was B.J. Ryan in the 5/1/03 game between Baltimore and Detroit. From the play by play, it appears that Ryan replaced Pat Hentgen in the bottom of the 7th, with two outs, and Omar Infante on 1st base (he had just driven in Ramon Santiago to make it 2-1 Detroit). Without throwing a pitch to Bobby Higginson, Infante was caught stealing (PO 2B P-1B-SS) to end the inning. Top of the 8th, Gibbons and Batista drive in 3 for the Orioles, and they hold the lead making B.J. Ryan -- who never actually threw a pitch to home plate -- the winner.

[ April 02, 2008, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:09 am

And, from my research, perhaps the greatest relief win of all time was Ken Ash of the Cincinnati Reds:

"Ash's final major league win brought him more recognition than any of his other performances. On July 27, 1930, with the Reds down by one run in the fifth inning against the Cubs, Ash entered the game with the bases loaded and none out. He delivered only one pitch to Charley Grimm, who hit into a triple play. In the bottom of the inning, Ash was removed for a pinch hitter as the Reds scored three runs and coasted to victory. Ash was credited with the win. Three outs and a victory on one pitch! A Ripley's "Believe It or Not" feature depicted the event in newspapers across the country the following year."

source: SABR.org

Throw 1 pitch, get a triple play and a win! And his last major league win to boot! Now that's what I call going out in style.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:19 pm

Back to bad closers, I hate Brandon Lyon tonight for costing us a win!