Rickie Weeks

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:48 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

All the crying and "Bust" labelling of Miggy, and with a strong week, could be right "on pace" for what many projected him to get.

It's not like he's a 40 HR guy.

~Lance Completely agree. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he met my projection for him. It's just that he's a 30 .300 4 guy, rather than a 40 .330 12 guy. [/QUOTE]He hadn't hit below 320 in three seasons, while averaging 32 HRs - why would you project a fall-off of 20 pts? Already peaked at age 25 ?

According to HQ (based on historical stats), FLA's park surpresses RH HR's twice as much as DET (-15% vs -8%), while impact on BA is negligible for both.

I viewed him as one of the most reliable hitters in the game. Damn $80 million contract.

[ June 14, 2008, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:50 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

All the crying and "Bust" labelling of Miggy, and with a strong week, could be right "on pace" for what many projected him to get.

It's not like he's a 40 HR guy.

~Lance Right now Lance, Miggy has delivered $5 in value - that's about 15th round value and $30 below where he should be. He has been a bust so far.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:09 pm

He just looks much better to me lately. Like he survived a cold streak/new team jitters/pressure/slump...and now it's "Miggy Time!"

Side Note...very pleased to have a known guy doing the StrikeZone channel today, as opposed to those crappy nobody guys they had.

Side Note #2...Ned Yost looks too much like an ugly old woman to not have any facial hair.

~Lance

[ June 14, 2008, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:14 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

All the crying and "Bust" labelling of Miggy, and with a strong week, could be right "on pace" for what many projected him to get.

It's not like he's a 40 HR guy.

~Lance Completely agree. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he met my projection for him. It's just that he's a 30 .300 4 guy, rather than a 40 .330 12 guy. [/QUOTE]He hadn't hit below 320 in three seasons, while averaging 32 HRs - why would you project a fall-off of 20 pts? Already peaked at age 25 ?

According to HQ (based on historical stats), FLA's park surpresses RH HR's twice as much as DET (-15% vs -8%), while impact on BA is negligible for both.

I viewed him as one of the most reliable hitters in the game. Damn $80 million contract.

[/QUOTE]When a hitter changes leagues the pitchers have the advantage. The AL is stronger than the NL.

More importantly, Florida's defensive efficiency has been far worse than Detroit's for four years running while their BABIP has been far better. Don't know how HQ comes up with their ballpark figures but those are some fairly irrefutable numbers and I don't know when Detroit changed their park but it probably coincides.

But all that doesn't matter because I can just open up Cabrera's Yahoo page and see that he changed.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:26 pm

When Miggy came into the league he hit from day 1 and didn't know any pitcher - but now he can't hit off someone he doesn't know?

Even in the same league hitters are regulalrly facing guys they haven't faced before, especially in their first couple of years when he hit for a huge average. I don't buy any of those theories.

AL pitchers are stronger? Even if this was true the effect would be statistically neglibible on the best hitters in the game.

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bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:33 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

When Miggy came into the league he hit from day 1 and didn't know any pitcher - but now he can't hit off someone he doesn't know?

Even in the same league hitters are regulalrly facing guys they haven't faced before, especially in their first couple of years when he hit for a huge average. I don't buy any of those theories.

AL pitchers are stronger? Even if this was true the effect would be statistically neglibible on the best hitters in the game. Um, day one was 2003 when he hit .268. But that is a weaker reason than the others anyway. Clearly, I've demonstrated that the ballpark makes a difference. It is amazing the way you continuously argue points that you are already wrong on. Go to Cabrera's stat page, look at his BA and you will see that I was right and you are wrong. .278 vs. .300=normal variance. .278 vs. .330, not so much.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:39 pm

And, yes, there is evidence that player's play for a payday (not that I'm buying it here) and that Cabrera's work ethic has had question marks, but those were just two more reasons to downgrade him on draft day.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:47 pm

Im with Lance on Miggy and think when the year is over his numbers will be better than most would think right now.The walk off homer the other night was huge making him feel like one of the boy's.

By the way gents dont count me out the Eddie G Train is just starting to pick up speed.Im close in so many catagories were i could get points fast.

Pitching is going to make or break me, Wakefield has pitched good lately off the waiver wire and Jo Jo Reyes a nice road victory yesterday.I need Liriano back and bad. E Santana and J Shields have been solid. choo choo choo choo here we come.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:51 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

It is amazing the way you continuously argue points that you are already wrong on. Go to Cabrera's stat page, look at his BA and you will see that I was right and you are wrong. .278 vs. .300=normal variance. .278 vs. .330, not so much. WTF are you talking about? I know what his stats are this season, below what I expected. I don't need to go to yahoo for that. You are speculating on why its lower, so am I, and we clearly disagree. Hope that solves your amazement.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:56 pm

WTF doesnt anybody here the Train coming , choo choo choo choo choo.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:37 pm

So were M Cabrera and Tulo bad drafting or bad luck? Dunno, you tell me.I was responding to this quote. 1. If you believe in the reasons you stated, why did you draft him? My reasons were in effect before the season started and my point is that what happened demonstrates that I was correct. 2. Your reasons were the very same kind of non-supported subjective ideas that you blasted the Foot for on this very thread.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:38 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

WTF doesnt anybody here the Train coming , choo choo choo choo choo.