2008 mock draft

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:20 am

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

Very surprised that Weeks went that early...and disappointed lol To me a real nice sleeper pick in 08 but IMO 4 rounds too early.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:30 am

I can go as many rounds as others want and would happily do another draft after this one. A different order for sure, or I could bow out and let another take my place if there are others that want to do so and would make timely picks. Good practice, lots of fun, and good to see what others think. I liked Weeks also. Curious to see where he would go. Hoped it would be later. Great talent. Lots of risk for this round. 08 could be his bust out year or more of the same.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:48 am

Sounds like the makings of an early favorite sleeper.

I am good to go as long as anyone else, but Chest had mentioned 15 rounds earlier and that might be a decent level for an October Mock. I am up for as many as you guys want to do.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:54 am

After round four, I projected 2008 Sheep offense to have under 10 Steals - this worked out to needing 20 steals apiece from my other 8 non-catchers. I had Weeks targeted on my team at turn 11/12 and thought I had better then a 50/50 chance on him. LOL

The best laid plans....

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:00 am

Originally posted by Sheep:

After round four, I projected 2008 Sheep offense to have under 10 Steals - this worked out to needing 20 steals apiece from my other 8 non-catchers. I had Weeks targeted on my team at turn 11/12 and thought I had better then a 50/50 chance on him. LOL

The best laid plans.... I think the biggest benefit of this is the reminder of how bright the people in this contest are. I too Sheep would have thought Weeks great pick in round 10-11 well apparently we have some company with that opinion. I still say way too early but he easily could perform like a top 50 player with a healthy wrist and some further plate discipline. One thing about him that has always shocked me is how he struggles in avg after the numbers he put up in college.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:25 am

weeks is easy to project out to top 50 hitter because after showing power in september you could assume the wrist is healed. only way speed slumps is if the wheels are hurt (see furcal- who i drafted in 5th in satelite after the injury- he didn't even try to steal). weeks bats 550 times ( easy if he leads off) braun, fielder, hart batting behind him- he walks a lot, strikes out a lot- but still would easily get 115 runs 20 homers maybe 30- and 35 steals, maybe 50. and sheep- don't feel bad about weeks -i had chris young targeted for 7th round and sheets for 11th- but they were grabbed early. and don't worry about steals there are a couple of guys out there that will steal 50 next year- and one that might steal 100. one thing about serpentine drafts- in everyone of them 4-6 guys really fall and 4-6 guys go way early. problem is- they are all in different drafts. when i am in vegas for wcoff there are 60+ drafts- when you walk around the room you see that and say " boy i wish i was in that draft"- and football is way way more simple than baseball. all imho. mike

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:18 am

Maybe it's just me but wrist injuries seem to linger, maybe even for years. Anyone remember carl crawford?

Right now, anyone expecting weeks to jack more than 15-18 next year will likely be disappointed.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:42 am

love ya gordo- he hit 16 with a bad wrist. tells me he is your victorino this year. i now move him to 4th round.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:45 am

btw-it only takes one guy to disregard the wrist to take him. i didn't say he would do it- i just said someone will project it.

LONG GONE · Post by **LONG GONE** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:50 am

I would do another draft. Also liked Weeks but a few rounds later. I drafted Troy Tulowitzki... what is the correct round or spot to take him?

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:32 am

I'm up for another.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:28 am

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Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:06 am

Originally posted by Sheep:

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Originally posted by headhunters:

sheep don't count sheets as a pitcher- because like prior, he doesn't really pitch.

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The guy (not sheep) got all bent out of shape last year at me

Seeing that Gordon Gekko is following our little mock, I will tell you a story: I was looking to join in 2004 and Gekko was the voice of the Message Board. I certainly enjoyed his cutting comments. I joined and drafted in Chi where Mark was drafting. I really had hoped to meet him, but did understand that he was nervous that someone he had been harse with might want to beat him. I did get to meet Wayne Edwards Kings there. I hope everyone takes this forum as the fun it is intended to be. I would say that my biggest disappointment (other then not winning)in the NFBC experience is the lack of chatter on League boards -somedays even hoping to play in a league with Crazy..Fox. [/QUOTE]Everyone is up for a league with Crazy like a Fox b/c it is easy money.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:44 am

Sheep, thanks for the call out. I am sure the pleasure was all mine. I really enjoyed all of the people I met in Chicago in 2005 (Tom for the first time, Lance, Mark, Coops, many others and even Dan Pasqua). Besides this previously unknown condition which causes me to seemingly enjoy making donations to people like Shawn Childs, Mark Yagan, Tom Lord and Jarad & Brian Eagle, I think one of the key reasons I come back is the quality of people I have met and the friends I have made over the last four years.

Anyway, enough of the mushy stuff. Where is Spyhunter?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:23 pm

are you with us Spy?

5.01 A Dunn (Chester Rockwell)

5.02 C Hammels (Eli Grimmett)

5.03 D Haren (Spyhunter)

5.04 F Cordero (Edward Kings)

5.05 J Beckett (Doughboys)

5.06 T Saito (Sluggo)

5.07 CC Sabathia (Red Sox Nation)

5.08 L Jones(Kettleers)

5.09 C Zambrano (KJ Duke)

5.10 R Cano (Stevieland)

5.11 S Victorino(God Loves You)

5.12 B Sheets(Sheep)

5.13 I Kinsler (Vander)

5.14 C Guillen (BudFox)

5.15 M Tejada(headhunters)

6.01 D Uggla (headhunters)

6.02 J Damon (BudFox)

6.03 P Konerko (Vander)

6.04 C Young SP SD(Sheep)

6.05 S Kazmir (GLU)

6.06 V Wells (Joe Sambito)

6.07 J Valverde (KJ Duke)

6.08 R Weeks (Kettleers)

6.09 B Hawpe(Red Sox Nation)

6.10 G Sheffield(Sluggo)

6.11 M Young (Doughboys)

6.12 A Jones (Edwards Kings)

6.13 (Spyhunter)

6.14 (Eli Grimmett)

6.15 (Chest "No Sleep" Rockwell)

7.01 (Chest "Honey it's your turn" Rockwell)

7.02 (Eli Grimmett)

7.03 (Spyhunter)

7.04 (Edwards Kings)

7.05 (Doughboys)

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:00 pm

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Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:40 pm

Last year Dan started this thing and would assign a pick if someone did not show up to make it in 24 hours (although we hope you pick sooner). Since I started this one I will do the same- if he misses another pick we will just ask someone to step in for him.

He has Arod, Granderson, Byrnes, Lackey and Haren. I thought maybe closer and then I thought no way 3 pitchers in first 3 picks. He has not drafted a middle infielder at all yet so lets go there with a solid late 6th round pick of

Edgar Renteria

Next guy on the clock- Eli Grimmett if you want to PM me your pick after me on the turn I will post it with my picks so we can speed back up I will do it. I literally have 4-5 guys I see interchangable at this turn so I will not be taking who you want.

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Atlas · Post by **Atlas** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:24 am

Originally posted by Sheep:

Long wait (So I can blame this on Spyhunter) I was looking at some of your 2007 main event teams. Which of course lead me to NY5 as three teams from NY5 finished in the top 12. I assume all three are great players but there might be more to it. It looks like NY5 not only had three great players but three players that didn't put in the time to stay competive.

One reason may well be the team who finished 375th, they drafted out of the 14 spot and took Carlos Lee in the first, his ADP was 22 and his earliest pick was NY5 14th overall. This team came back with Vernon Wells with pick #17, again the earliest pick for Wells, whose ADP put him at 31. Wells had an awful season, too. Both players were early ADP picks on MDC. The 375th's didn't look like a gimmick team, but may have had a saves plan with mininum IP as the 375th's went Closer/Closer with Putz and Ray in 5th and sixth.

8th Schilling

12th Gagne (144 ADP) GAGNE only ADP DEAL, he got dropped without a save for the 375ths.

14th Otsuka - Otsuki/Gagne handcuff

17/18 Contreras & Bonser – SP 2 & 3 (Not the low whip/ERA I would have choose for 45 in pitching)

24 Pedro – SP#4

26 Jaret Wright – Pitcher 9

27/28 Ponson & Baez

The loss of Ray was huge, but how did this team only get 59 saves (Putz 40, Ray 16, Otsuki 3, Gagne 0)?

This team only picked up players once after April and paid $680 for five guys, while only one got a $4 runner-up bid.

The reason may not stop there as another team ended up with 332.5 pitching points, ahead of only 11 teams. They didn’t acquire a player after paying 722 for Frasor in mid-April, even though (it looks like)they had FAAB left. They used a total of 31 players over the full season.

A third team had 182 hitting points, second lowest hitting points. This third team had about the most players failing to meet projections: Starting with Bay, A. Jones & Uggla each hitting below .250. Nick Johnson and Chad Tracy were #1 at first & third with 13 & 12 round picks. Johnson’s ADP was 343 (Round 23).

All three teams left hitters in lineup while on DL and started Blanks in pitching.

Not sure if having many teams way ahead early caused these teams to give up. The third team finished 15th three periods in a row – 5-7. Number 375th high week in the first half was 7th.

I know well that sometimes life happens and our fantasy teams just don't get the time that I would like to put in. I've been following along with great interest, so I hope you don't mind if I interject. This was my first year doing a satellite, so I could get a feel for the nuances (and didn't do very well at that) and only my second in a 5X5 format, so I'm a little behind the curve.

But your observation was something that I actually emailed Greg about early in the season.

Putting aside that this is a great challenge and a ton of fun, isn't it an advantage to a top team when he/she is competing in a weak league?

I guess you can say the same about MLB. A team wins a weak division and gets into the playoffs, but still has to see the better teams eventually.

Not quite the same here. The difference can really be made by not how good the top team is, but how bad the bottom teams are, no? Maybe phrasing it differently, the top teams are all so close, that how the bottom teams in their respective leagues finish out might very well be the separating point.

And I certainly don't have a better way to do it, just wanted to confirm my observation wasn't faulty. Greg's response, as I recall, was that that really wasn't the case, but Sheep's post seems to bear this out, to an extent.

I also noted, in that same post, that a team could actually finish second in their league, but still mathmatically win it all. I guess this again mimicks the wild card in MLB, to a point.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:51 am

Atlas,

Yes, if you get in a league where one or two lose interest or think they cannot win so phone it in, yes it CAN help. Fewer people to bid against in the FAAB, easier (maybe) to bust a move in a category if someone is starting blanks, etc.

But you do not know which teams are going to do that until you are deep in the season. Since the leagues are picked radomly and in my personal experience, all the owners are ready for the draft. Then, to measure how much advantage one would have in a league with some disinterested owners (I would not use the term weak really), you would have to compare to all other leagues.

So, like so many aspects of fantasy baseball, it depends on luck...which owners you get in your league (and I assure you a vast, vast majority are very active to the bitter end) makes up, IMHO, a small part of it compared to injuries, et al. I would take nothing at all away from those three owners in NY5. They obviously did a superlative job.

Atlas · Post by **Atlas** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:21 am

Agreed

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:13 am

I'm not at my house, but I'll make my pick as soon as I get there - maybe another hour (I would make the pick right now, but I can't for the life of me remember who my next picks were going to be.) I won't be long on the second one since I'll be on the comp all day researching for next year.

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:27 am

Zimmerman

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:55 am

on the weak league subject- i was in chicago 3 with inebriated. he finished second overall- we finished second as a league. everyone played till the end. good league- good teams. the tough free agent bidding may have cost him the championship- really no freebies

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:25 am

Adrian Gonzalez and Aaron Harang

Berkshire Juggernauts · Post by **Berkshire Juggernauts** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:47 am

If you guys need a fill in just let me know. I have been following from the start. Very interesting so far sems like you can get pitching a little later than usual