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Can anybody remember another player going from great to nothing at a young age like this guy?A couple of years ago he looked like a shoo in for the hall of fame.Power bat,best centerfielder in baseball.Now he can not hit,can not field,and a team is willing to pay him many millions of dollars to not play for them.

Ron Kittle had a couple of great years before a fade.But,I can not think of anything comparable to this.No known injury.

be careful a post like this might upset childs

Page 32 of the Hardball Times annual had a good piece on him. It is quite a historic drop off. They cite his knee trouble in 2008 and his weight issues. In a weird way, it may help support Doughboys' big guy theory being that this is a big guy who's acted like an athletic one.



[ January 04, 2009, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Robbie Alomar

travis hafner is on his way. but his body of work isn't anyway near as long as andrews.

Joe Charboneau, CLE, even had a song about him after his 1980 Rookie year (131 games, 453 AB, .289 BA, 23 HR, 87 RBI). After his rookie year, he only played in the majors two more years, 70 games and 194 AB with poor results.

In the 12 seasons before being traded to the Muts, Alomar hit 300 or (much) better 10 times and was at 288 and 282 the two other years. He had averaged around 20 HR and nearly 100 rbi during 3 yrs prior to trade. He comes to Muts and goes 260 11 53 and never had a good year thereafter. To me, Andruw's drop off was more predictable...his k's were rising, average falling, weight rising. Even his HR were in slow decline.

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Joe Charboneau, CLE, even had a song about him after his 1980 Rookie year (131 games, 453 AB, .289 BA, 23 HR, 87 RBI). After his rookie year, he only played in the majors two more years, 70 games and 194 AB with poor results. Go Joe!!!



To be fair - he was much like Fidrych - a phenom who fell prey to injury - Joe had a bad back and it did him in.

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Joe Charboneau, CLE, even had a song about him after his 1980 Rookie year (131 games, 453 AB, .289 BA, 23 HR, 87 RBI). After his rookie year, he only played in the majors two more years, 70 games and 194 AB with poor results. Or, more recently, Ben Grieve. But Andruw didn't have one good year, he was a confirmed superstar. And with respect to Schwks post, he may have been in decline, but he suddenly fell off a mountain. Even just 2007 to 2008 was historic. Plenty of guys decline and plenty do it fast but this was historic, especially looking at age and position.

I think Andruw Jones should be saluted.

While others were taking steroids to add muscle and home runs while harming their body. Jones proved to kids across America that you can still get a 20 million dollar contract and eat your cake (and lots of it) too.

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I think Andruw Jones should be saluted.

While others were taking steroids to add muscle and home runs while harming their body. Jones proved to kids across America that you can still get a 20 million dollar contract and eat your cake (and lots of it) too. Dodger fans give him the one-finger salute regularly.

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I think Andruw Jones should be saluted.

While others were taking steroids to add muscle and home runs while harming their body. Jones proved to kids across America that you can still get a 20 million dollar contract and eat your cake (and lots of it) too. Now I know what Leno would sound like if he was hired by ESPN

After my first post I thought of two.Robbie Alomar,But he was 35 when the decline hit.But How about Vida Blue?I know he had a little drug habit.But,quite a few other players were able to do drugs and stay good.

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Joe Charboneau, CLE, even had a song about him after his 1980 Rookie year (131 games, 453 AB, .289 BA, 23 HR, 87 RBI). After his rookie year, he only played in the majors two more years, 70 games and 194 AB with poor results. Where have you gone, Joe Charboneau,

Indian Nation turns it's lonely eyes to you.

What's that you say, Frank Robinson.

Super Joe has left and gone away,

Hey hey hey, no more K K K.

Here are a couple I came up with from recent memory:



Raul Mondesi from 2003 to 2004 went from

24hr-71rbi-83run-22sb-.272 to



3hr-15Rbi-10runs-0sb-.241avg.



In 04 the Pirates signed him as a free agent and cut him at the end of May - then he was signed by the Angels and cut again.



The Braves gave him a shot the following year and again he was cut at the end of May - and that was it - done at 34.



Others I thought of - Carlos Baerga - another Indian who sucked once he became a Met.



Chuck Knoblach - guy was an All-Star who just forgot how to play baseball and was done at 33.



And I guess if you are going to mention Knobby you have to mention Steve Sax as well, he faded at 33 as well and was done at 34.



Mark Davis saved 44 games and won the Cy Young in 1989 and never saved more than 6 games in a season after that.



Interesting that three of these guys- Mondesi, Sax, Knoblach - and earlier mentions Grieve and Charbeneau were all Rookies of the Year - which brings up the other list of the guys who never quite topped the year they were rookie of the year:



Pat Listach, Angel Berroa, Marty Cordova, Eric Hinske(still his career year), Todd Hollandsworth,

Bob Hamelin, Jerome Walton.

Andrew Jones decline bring up the question of his true age? He made it to the majors at they say age 18, but what if he was really 22? Alot of question about birth records and ages of players from outside the U.S. If this is true than it could explain his rapid decline as he would now be 35 years old instead of the 31 he claims. Add on the fact that he doesn't like to stay in shape,plus maybe he was taking steroid for those years in Atlanta.Where he ends up in 2009 is anybody guess right now,but it's a big risk for anyone to play him in 2009,hoping to cacth lightning in a bottle.Fantasy wise it will be interesting to see where he is drafted. I might take him in the 29-30th round if he's still on the board and hope for some magic.

I thought about the age issue when looking at Rual Mondesi and thought that he too may have been older than listed.

Correct me if im wrong ( because i could be ) but wasnt Andrew Jones on a similar pace of hitting homes as A Rod? at one time ...

Originally posted by TheFoot:

Correct me if im wrong ( because i could be ) but wasnt Andrew Jones on a similar pace of hitting homes as A Rod? at one time ... No

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by TheFoot:

Correct me if im wrong ( because i could be ) but wasnt Andrew Jones on a similar pace of hitting homes as A Rod? at one time ... No [/QUOTE]Will he be drafted in your $325 Slow Draft before the 40th round??

He has set the bar so low that he could win Comeback Player of the Year for hitting 20 hr's and hitting .250.

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by TheFoot:

Correct me if im wrong ( because i could be ) but wasnt Andrew Jones on a similar pace of hitting homes as A Rod? at one time ... No [/QUOTE]shawn - will you draft Andrew in the 30th round of the nfbc main event?

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by TheFoot:

Correct me if im wrong ( because i could be ) but wasnt Andrew Jones on a similar pace of hitting homes as A Rod? at one time ... No [/QUOTE]Will he be drafted in your $325 Slow Draft before the 40th round?? [/QUOTE]I can't let him slip that far!!

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by TheFoot:

Correct me if im wrong ( because i could be ) but wasnt Andrew Jones on a similar pace of hitting homes as A Rod? at one time ... No [/QUOTE]Will he be drafted in your $325 Slow Draft before the 40th round?? [/QUOTE]I can't let him slip that far!! [/QUOTE]why is your good name in bed with Andruw Jones ? Is this the player you want people to think about when the fabled Shawn Childs CC Desperados comes up ? How has it come to this ??

Andruw gets Shawn into the Gold Club.

It's the least Shawn can do for him.