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What is all this talk about power outages in baseball this year...I PLANNED for Shannon Stewart to be leading my team in HR's at this point in the season...really...I mean it...

Well, no, actually, the problem isn't Konerko or Dunn. The problem is the little guys. I've done the math. If Kotsay, Crosby, Podsednik, and Bellhorn hit the homeruns that they were expected to by most predictions or even close to it, my team would be right at the top. But thes guys have hit about 6 homers among them. Even though they're the low power guys I expect something out of them and my team depends on it, but I have nothing from these guys. That right there is a difference of 75 homers over a season, the difference between bottom and top of that cat, to say nothing of all the other cats home runs affect.

The problem is the big guys on the juice, not saying that Dunn and Konerko are, can still hit them out. The little guys that were on the juice are now just sitting lazy fly balls to the outfield. The big power hitters are still right on track with years past in homers. There are 4 or 5 guys on pace for 50. The guys that usually hit 7-12 are now going to hit 3-5 for the year

Originally posted by bjoak:

Well, no, actually, the problem isn't Konerko or Dunn. The problem is the little guys. I've done the math. If Kotsay, Crosby, Podsednik, and Bellhorn hit the homeruns that they were expected to by most predictions or even close to it, my team would be right at the top. But thes guys have hit about 6 homers among them. Even though they're the low power guys I expect something out of them and my team depends on it, but I have nothing from these guys. That right there is a difference of 75 homers over a season, the difference between bottom and top of that cat, to say nothing of all the other cats home runs affect. That is just poor management- you have to make adjustments.

Yeah, I guess you'd take out Podsednik. There aren't a bunch of 25 home run guys just waiting to be picked up off the free agent list. I picked up Felipe Lopez and Adam Kennedy at MI and Kotsay hits too well to take out, but it's still a problem.



That's just stupid. If a good manager could easily fix these problems then everyone would be in first place starting with you.

Originally posted by bjoak:

Yeah, I guess you'd take out Podsednik. There aren't a bunch of 25 home run guys just waiting to be picked up off the free agent list. I picked up Felipe Lopez and Adam Kennedy at MI and Kotsay hits too well to take out, but it's still a problem.



That's just stupid. If a good manager could easily fix these problems then everyone would be in first place starting with you. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and look at your original point of lack of power from your light hitting types. It does not add up- if those guys performed to "expected levels" in power you may pick up 1-3 points in your league. You would also have to deduct the unexpected power from Felipe Lopez (nice move I might add) and Morgan Ensberg (a guy I also enjoy the power from).



You cannot see the forest through the trees in my opinion- your points about players are as strong as anyone on here. You lost and again in my opinion will lose very badly before it is over because of scripting all rounds of the draft and going so heavily on pitching early and not getting the bang for the buck in doing so. It leaves you no margin for error.



As far as poor management good point on how difficult it is to fix problems in season with these deep of roster and this level of competition. So I agree with you there, the very poor management came in the draft.



[ June 12, 2005, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

If it wasn't for Ben Sheets and I didn't tell you, you'd have no idea the team was scripted. But, yeah, I took Morgan Ensberg too early so that was a waste of a pick. Same for Loaiza and Hee Seop Choi, Ramon Hernandez, on and on. I could never draft that team in the midsummer league. Tons of my guys will go above where I drafted them in the future. You are a poor evaluator in that you're judging me based on what you think went on in my mind rather than the actual team I field. Also, you assume I have the same poor evaluation tools that you have, hence the comment on Ensberg.



But even you couldn't have had Bellhorn down for 7 homers this year. My point was that while players fluctuate from projections, this year has too many guys who dropped off in homeruns completely. It's not an aberration. I wasn't soliciting for your opinion on my team. Believe me, I don't want it. You're an idiot.

Originally posted by bjoak:

If it wasn't for Ben Sheets and I didn't tell you, you'd have no idea the team was scripted. But, yeah, I took Morgan Ensberg too early so that was a waste of a pick. Same for Loaiza and Hee Seop Choi, Ramon Hernandez, on and on. I could never draft that team in the midsummer league. Tons of my guys will go above where I drafted them in the future. You are a poor evaluator in that you're judging me based on what you think went on in my mind rather than the actual team I field. Also, you assume I have the same poor evaluation tools that you have, hence the comment on Ensberg.



But even you couldn't have had Bellhorn down for 7 homers this year. My point was that while players fluctuate from projections, this year has too many guys who dropped off in homeruns completely. It's not an aberration. I wasn't soliciting for your opinion on my team. Believe me, I don't want it. You're an idiot.



I tried to spur an honest debate and you call me an idiot. It is one thing to come on here and be a know it all Gekko and be able to back it up he obviously can. What is the highest your team has been all year- have you cracked the top 150. If I am such an idiot why is my team doing the worst it has been all year still one hundred spots better than your best day. You can make excuses all day long and you will because you have all the answers. You should be ashamed to invest that many picks in pitching and still be average. Not going to get in to a bunch of name calling. Just know I like a few others on here will roll my eyes every time you answer a question like you are the main authority, every time you make an excuse like I am not doing well because of Bellhorn. Sure you had some nice picks- even the team in 300th did. I gave you that all along. My parting thoughts are Sheets was by far the worst 1st round pick of all 300, and your draft strategy was even worse. I would love to hear if anyone else had Sheets targeted top 10 or believe that scripting your entire draft is a good idea.

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

If it wasn't for Ben Sheets and I didn't tell you, you'd have no idea the team was scripted. But, yeah, I took Morgan Ensberg too early so that was a waste of a pick. Same for Loaiza and Hee Seop Choi, Ramon Hernandez, on and on. I could never draft that team in the midsummer league. Tons of my guys will go above where I drafted them in the future. You are a poor evaluator in that you're judging me based on what you think went on in my mind rather than the actual team I field. Also, you assume I have the same poor evaluation tools that you have, hence the comment on Ensberg.



But even you couldn't have had Bellhorn down for 7 homers this year. My point was that while players fluctuate from projections, this year has too many guys who dropped off in homeruns completely. It's not an aberration. I wasn't soliciting for your opinion on my team. Believe me, I don't want it. You're an idiot.



I tried to spur an honest debate and you call me an idiot. It is one thing to come on here and be a know it all Gekko and be able to back it up he obviously can. What is the highest your team has been all year- have you cracked the top 150. If I am such an idiot why is my team doing the worst it has been all year still one hundred spots better than your best day. You can make excuses all day long and you will because you have all the answers. You should be ashamed to invest that many picks in pitching and still be average. Not going to get in to a bunch of name calling. Just know I like a few others on here will roll my eyes every time you answer a question like you are the main authority, every time you make an excuse like I am not doing well because of Bellhorn. Sure you had some nice picks- even the team in 300th did. I gave you that all along. My parting thoughts are Sheets was by far the worst 1st round pick of all 300, and your draft strategy was even worse. I would love to hear if anyone else had Sheets targeted top 10 or believe that scripting your entire draft is a good idea.



I reread your entire post and it seems as if you think I was being sarcastic on the comments on Felipe Lopez and Ensberg- sadly I was not.





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I am a bit in the dark, What is meant by scripting the entire draft? Did you target players for certain rounds and then take them regardless as to who else was on the board. Please clarify...

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

I am a bit in the dark, What is meant by scripting the entire draft? Did you target players for certain rounds and then take them regardless as to who else was on the board. Please clarify... Search on a thread called interesting draft results from back in March. It will tell you all you need to know- get out your notebook bjoak was holding court and teaching those days. I guess the Stevieland curse only applies to other teams huh? I do not want to jinx you (seriously) but I think you guys have a shot at the overall. Your pitching should play real well against the overall 300-

Still a long way to go. I was cringing Saturday when Zambrano was bumbling into 2nd base. I still fully expect a surge from the 'stache and the Lollygaggers.

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

Still a long way to go. I was cringing Saturday when Zambrano was bumbling into 2nd base. I still fully expect a surge from the 'stache and the Lollygaggers. The difference between our teams is you have the pitching to play at 120 points we do not. Some is not in our control Benitez/Harden, but going with Hudson as our number 1 clearly looks like a mistake that may cost us. If you come down to around 110 we can battle, I have looked at it a million times and it would take some really good fortune on our behalf to get to 120. We probably should have bid higher on Nook Logan this weekend as he would help us in some fringe categories but did not want to go 200 on a guy who could see his at bats effected for the 6 weeks Mags Ordonez stays healthy in the 2nd half.

Like I said, there is still a long way to go. There are some very tight categories in our league. How is my boy 'Tek doing?

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

Like I said, there is still a long way to go. There are some very tight categories in our league. How is my boy 'Tek doing? His 3rd little girl is due on the 24th- last I heard she was real big so Mirabelli could get a spot start any day. I will definitely give him hell for going on that Queer eye for the straight guy thing. They also just moved in to a house in Waban- you know where that is- have not seen it yet.

That's in the Newton/Wellsley area. Pretty nice, yet still fairly close to Fenway. So he is 0 for 3. I am currently 0 for 2. Don't get me wrong I love my girls, but it is just not the same dressing them in pink red sox outfits.

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

That's in the Newton/Wellsley area. Pretty nice, yet still fairly close to Fenway. So he is 0 for 3. I am currently 0 for 2. Don't get me wrong I love my girls, but it is just not the same dressing them in pink red sox outfits. They had a condo in Newton before this last deal, they like the girls because of the pressure a boy would feel. Much like if you had a boy every fantasy baseball move he ever made would be highly scrutinized....

Good point. As is my girls spend too much time on my lap as I read thru rotoworld or watch games on cbssportsline, when they'd much rather be watching Barney for the umpteenth time...

I tried to spur an honest debate and you call me an idiot. It is one thing to come on here and be a know it all Gekko and be able to back it up he obviously can. What is the highest your team has been all year- have you cracked the top 150. If I am such an idiot why is my team doing the worst it has been all year still one hundred spots better than your best day. You can make excuses all day long and you will because you have all the answers. You should be ashamed to invest that many picks in pitching and still be average. Not going to get in to a bunch of name calling. Just know I like a few others on here will roll my eyes every time you answer a question like you are the main authority, every time you make an excuse like I am not doing well because of Bellhorn. Sure you had some nice picks- even the team in 300th did. I gave you that all along. My parting thoughts are Sheets was by far the worst 1st round pick of all 300, and your draft strategy was even worse. I would love to hear if anyone else had Sheets targeted top 10 or believe that scripting your entire draft is a good idea.

You started the name calling. You're not even introspective enough to see that?



I wasn't making excuses for my team; I was talking about possible results of steroid testing and using my team as a case study. That was the purpose of the thread. I shared some frustration in there, so what? Even if I was the type to make excuses, I wouldn't need to because we're not even half way through June yet. Maybe you're ready to pick winners; I'm not. I'll be ready on the last day of the season. But you had to follow me around and make comments about my damned drafting strategy. And you're still going on about it. You never would have made fun of me if I drafted Randy Johnson who has a worse ERA than every single member of my active pitching staff. You have some fantasy that he magically becomes better when you look at where people drafted him. Anyway, you act like the first round counts 17 times more than the 17th round. It doesn't matter if I drafted Todd Hollandsworth in the first round. There is no first round. All there is is an aggregate in which every player counts equally. I really don't need your opinion, but if you're going to give it to me, focus on the team I field every day, not what you think I was thinking when I drafted it. That's just anti-intelluctual criticism.



As for whether I've done better than you, I'm sure I was better the weeks I finished 4th and 11th. The team has been excellent since April and I'm fine with that. As I said, it's not September yet.