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I did my 1st mock draft. What do people think? All feedback is welcomed.



pos./player/round



C- Varitek(16)

C- Hernandez(20)

1B- Konerko(6)

2B- Phillips(2)

3B- Aramis(3)

SS- Guillen(4)

MI- Tejada(5)

CI- Overbay(19)

OF- Crawford(1)

OF- Damon(8)

OF- Willingham(14)

OF- Hall(17)

OF- Jenkins(18)

DH- Winn(21)



P- Hill(9)

P- Cain(10)

P- Billingsly(1)

P- Meche(15)

P- Kuroda(22)

P- El Duque(24)

P- Jones(13)

P- Pena(12)

P- Wagner(7)



B- Lind(23)

B- Er. Santana(25)

B- Milledge(26)

B- Wolf(27)

B- Capuano(28)

B- Mussina(29)

B- Schmidt(30)

Originally posted by ESPN8 THE OCHO:

I did my 1st mock draft. What do people think? All feedback is welcomed.



pos./player/round



C- Varitek(16)

C- Hernandez(20)

1B- Konerko(6)

2B- Phillips(2)

3B- Aramis(3)

SS- Guillen(4)

MI- Tejada(5)

CI- Overbay(19)

OF- Crawford(1)

OF- Damon(8)

OF- Willingham(14)

OF- Hall(17)

OF- Jenkins(18)

DH- Winn(21)



P- Hill(9)

P- Cain(10)

P- Billingsly(1)

P- Meche(15)

P- Kuroda(22)

P- El Duque(24)

P- Jones(13)

P- Pena(12)

P- Wagner(7)



B- Lind(23)

B- Er. Santana(25)

B- Milledge(26)

B- Wolf(27)

B- Capuano(28)

B- Mussina(29)

B- Schmidt(30) I like it- I think if you think you will be able to get a pitching staff that good waiting that late in the main event you may be unpleasantly surprised.

you took crawford in the first round? what slot did you pick from



when did you get billinglsley?

Originally posted by fandango:

you took crawford in the first round? what slot did you pick from



when did you get billinglsley? Fandango,



I am guessing since 11 is the only number not there, he just didn't hit it twice.



I would be curious as to what spot he picked from also.

My guess he picked some where between 12-15.

Originally posted by ESPN8 THE OCHO:

I did my 1st mock draft. What do people think? All feedback is welcomed.



pos./player/round



C- Varitek(16)

C- Hernandez(20)

1B- Konerko(6)

2B- Phillips(2)

3B- Aramis(3)

SS- Guillen(4)

MI- Tejada(5)

CI- Overbay(19)

OF- Crawford(1)

OF- Damon(8)

OF- Willingham(14)

OF- Hall(17)

OF- Jenkins(18)

DH- Winn(21)



P- Hill(9)

P- Cain(10)

P- Billingsly(1)

P- Meche(15)

P- Kuroda(22)

P- El Duque(24)

P- Jones(13)

P- Pena(12)

P- Wagner(7)



B- Lind(23)

B- Er. Santana(25)

B- Milledge(26)

B- Wolf(27)

B- Capuano(28)

B- Mussina(29)

B- Schmidt(30) I think your offense is very nice and you're pitching is ok to pretty good. Overall not a bad draft. I think your draft layout will be eerily similar to most and it's warranted. Many very good pitchers 9th-15th rounds.



I love your late picks on pitchers. Nothing wrong with spending super late picks on proven pitchers who's wheels fell off last year, but might see some real results.



I think Ervin Santana is very interesting and definitely worth a late round flyer. With him it seems to be all mental. If he can get his confidence back he can be a solid 15 win pitcher again.



Side note: Interesting how you went with such a young pitching staff, and super late veteran flyers. Not a horrible idea. But be careful in making your main pitching staff too young. You can expect a lot of volatility there. I think you saw that and were wise to pick up some veterans late.



Love the catcher picks. 16th and 20th round to end up with Varitek/R. Hernandez is pretty sweet. You still might want to think about getting one of the top 5 catchers early, maybe McCann or Mauer in the 4th. Catcher depth is worst I've seen in years. Still like your duo though.



All in all, very good draft. I give it an 8/10.



[ January 29, 2008, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]

pos./player/round



C- Varitek(16)

C- Hernandez(20)

1B- Konerko(6)

2B- Phillips(2)

3B- Aramis(3)

SS- Guillen(4)

MI- Tejada(5)

CI- Overbay(19)

OF- Crawford(1)

OF- Damon(8)

OF- Willingham(14)

OF- Hall(17)

OF- Jenkins(18)

DH- Winn(21)



P- Hill(9)

P- Cain(10)

P- Billingsly(1)

P- Meche(15)

P- Kuroda(22)

P- El Duque(24)

P- Jones(13)

P- Pena(12)

P- Wagner(7)



B- Lind(23)

B- Er. Santana(25)

B- Milledge(26)

B- Wolf(27)

B- Capuano(28)

B- Mussina(29)

B- Schmidt(30)



Catching is weak, 1B is a prayer. Your infield is excellent. Other than Crawford, OF is not good, but its very thin this year in general. Offense get a 5 out of 10.



Pitching: Wins and ERA may be suspect. Middle of the road on ks. Bullpen is very nice, though. Pitching gets a 5 out of 10



Bench- Solid- 8 out of 10



Overall, team lacks any upside. Good enough for 6th place.

Originally posted by Dub:

pos./player/round



C- Varitek(16)

C- Hernandez(20)

1B- Konerko(6)

2B- Phillips(2)

3B- Aramis(3)

SS- Guillen(4)

MI- Tejada(5)

CI- Overbay(19)

OF- Crawford(1)

OF- Damon(8)

OF- Willingham(14)

OF- Hall(17)

OF- Jenkins(18)

DH- Winn(21)



P- Hill(9)

P- Cain(10)

P- Billingsly(1)

P- Meche(15)

P- Kuroda(22)

P- El Duque(24)

P- Jones(13)

P- Pena(12)

P- Wagner(7)



B- Lind(23)

B- Er. Santana(25)

B- Milledge(26)

B- Wolf(27)

B- Capuano(28)

B- Mussina(29)

B- Schmidt(30)



Catching is weak, 1B is a prayer. Your infield is excellent. Other than Crawford, OF is not good, but its very thin this year in general. Offense get a 5 out of 10.



Pitching: Wins and ERA may be suspect. Middle of the road on ks. Bullpen is very nice, though. Pitching gets a 5 out of 10



Bench- Solid- 8 out of 10



Overall, team lacks any upside. Good enough for 6th place. Dub- you ever played a 15 man league before- either you have not or you are one hard grader.

couple of things. dub, he has 3 1st basemen so i doubt 1st base is a prayer. 2nd- 1st base is part of the infield- which you rate as excellent. 3rd- if you take your infield early you will probably be taking your outfield late- so natch it will be thin. as far as the team goes- i think you need to take a speed m.i. late- say bartlet. i drafted crawford in 1st last year and then came up short in steals. you did the same. plus- you only have 3 mi- but with hall playing 3b and guillen 1b- you have plenty of corners. if your plan was to take 3-4 good old pitchers and say " 1 will bounce back" which i like- you should have traded one of your other late pichers for that mi with speed to 1) backup your infield and 2) give you 10-20 more steals to get to 150 or so. dub feels your team has no upside- because you do not have much youth. correct- but milledge is youung and has plenty of upside- and some of these players will boounce back. nice team.

sorry chest- you sorta beat me to the punch. he is from ny- they are all experts- till they play

Originally posted by headhunters:

sorry chest- you sorta beat me to the punch. he is from ny- they are all experts- till they play Yeah your right I never played FBB before. And thanks for pointing out that 1B is part of the infield. I didnt know that.



So what am I hearing you say genius: Draft a 1B in the 6th round and play someone else?



Im sure everyone is thanking you for your money- LOL

[/QUOTE]Dub- you ever played a 15 man league before- either you have not or you are one hard grader. [/QB][/quote]


Besides the many leagues I have played in, I play in a 21 team keeper.



I am just trying to help you. Not like some that may tell you that it was a hell a draft and let you sink.

Originally posted by Dub:

Dub- you ever played a 15 man league before- either you have not or you are one hard grader. [/quote]


Besides the many leagues I have played in, I play in a 21 team keeper.



I am just trying to help you. Not like some that may tell you that it was a hell a draft and let you sink. [/QB][/quote]




I think you are confused- help me? It is not my team. I think I may go to a website now and give advice on how to repair a transmission since I have driven a car a lot....



We do have room for a new know it all always dominate my home league and not even playing in this event type. Crazy has moved on to greener pastures and a new attitude. You have big shoes to fill Dub but your first few posts indicate you are up to the challenge.



Keep swinging slugger...



[ January 31, 2008, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

Crazy has moved on to greener pastures and a new attitude. You have big shoes to fill Dub but your first few posts indicate you are up to the challenge.



Keep swinging slugger... [/QB]Am I in the wrong room? Sorry about that.



Why not come clean and say that the draft was not good? Do you need disinformation to get an edge?

well dub since you are teaching and i am learning what does "1st base is a prayer" mean? i took that as a negative. maybe i was wrong, explain. in illinois when you have 4 questions on a test (1b,2b,3b,ss) and one is wrong. you get a 75%. in ill. that is not an excellent grade. on the corners- i was pointing out that if overbay got hurt- or konerko- he could move guillen to 1st. that was what i thought you meant as a prayer. if you meant overbay in the 19th round- if healthy, will not play to 19th round value. i think you are dead wrong. overbay is one of the easiest players to project. he is not a bad hitter. konerko is a top 10 1st basemen and with a better lineup could easily improve on last year. instead of just bashing his team- why don't you add up his #'s and tell him where he is short or tell him why konerko isn't going to hit .270 with 35 homers and 100 rbis. thanks

Originally posted by Dub:

/QUOTE]



Besides the many leagues I have played in, I play in a 21 team keeper.



Yeah? Wow! Was it an 11x11, 21 team keeper league?



[ January 31, 2008, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Crazy has moved on to greener pastures and a new attitude. You have big shoes to fill Dub but your first few posts indicate you are up to the challenge.



Keep swinging slugger... Am I in the wrong room? Sorry about that.



Why not come clean and say that the draft was not good? Do you need disinformation to get an edge? [/QB][/QUOTE]I have a lot of friends here and a few people like your pal Crazy who will not be inviting me to their bday parties this year. But they will all say I am a pretty straight shooter. That team is good- in fact you may have to go a round sooner to get a lot of those pitchers in the real thing. Excellent middle infield, good solid corner guys, as solid a catching tandem as any team not having one of the big 4 catchers will have, and a decent OF. He also drafted properly for taking CC and Phillips 1 and 2 by making sure his other 2 middle infielders provide pop, and by taking some pop with Willingham in the outfield to protect coming out of the first 2 rounds with only 40 homeruns when to stay competetive in power you would at least like to have 60 after 2 rounds.



He also resisted the urge to draft a Judy type later- b/c he could not afford the power loss b/c of rounds 1 and 2.



Only thing I would say I don't like is no real upside on offense.



Not a perfect team but I think for a new guy an excellent start.



Hopefully that answers your question about if I am just giving him a bunch of BS.



Why don't we leave it at the guy who has won a pretty signifcant amount of money in this contest likes it and the guy who has never won a dime here does not and they agree to disagree. Fair enough?

and like chest is trying to tell you- that IS a pretty good team. trust me if chest thought it blew- he would say it. if you don't believe anything else- believe that. in a 15 team draft every team has holes. most, if not all of the hitters on that team have been good to great hitters. yes they are a little older than i would like as a team- but look at their ages- most are between 27-34. why don't you go back and look at what some good players have done in their 27-34 age years. they have been pretty good.

Originally posted by headhunters:

well dub since you are teaching and i am learning what does "1st base is a prayer" mean? i took that as a negative. maybe i was wrong, explain. in illinois when you have 4 questions on a test (1b,2b,3b,ss) and one is wrong. you get a 75%. in ill. that is not an excellent grade. on the corners- i was pointing out that if overbay got hurt- or konerko- he could move guillen to 1st. that was what i thought you meant as a prayer. if you meant overbay in the 19th round- if healthy, will not play to 19th round value. i think you are dead wrong. overbay is one of the easiest players to project. he is not a bad hitter. konerko is a top 10 1st basemen and with a better lineup could easily improve on last year. instead of just bashing his team- why don't you add up his #'s and tell him where he is short or tell him why konerko isn't going to hit .270 with 35 homers and 100 rbis. thanks Here is my point. If you are waiting for a rebound from Konerko, then you have to Pray that he rebounds from multiple rebound attempts. Certainly without even seeing the rest of the draft, there were better players to take then him at 6! Im sure Sheff was still available and would upgrade him at DH and he could still play Lyle at 1B.



I would even go so far as to say that Joey Votto is a better option at 1B than Konerko- but you must be a Chisox fan and I am sorry to tell you...



No soup for you

Why don't we leave it at the guy who has won a pretty signifcant amount of money in this contest likes it and the guy who has never won a dime here does not and they agree to disagree. Fair enough? Sorry can't do that. Dude, you are a member since 2005. How many events could you have won? I have socks older than you.

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

well dub since you are teaching and i am learning what does "1st base is a prayer" mean? i took that as a negative. maybe i was wrong, explain. in illinois when you have 4 questions on a test (1b,2b,3b,ss) and one is wrong. you get a 75%. in ill. that is not an excellent grade. on the corners- i was pointing out that if overbay got hurt- or konerko- he could move guillen to 1st. that was what i thought you meant as a prayer. if you meant overbay in the 19th round- if healthy, will not play to 19th round value. i think you are dead wrong. overbay is one of the easiest players to project. he is not a bad hitter. konerko is a top 10 1st basemen and with a better lineup could easily improve on last year. instead of just bashing his team- why don't you add up his #'s and tell him where he is short or tell him why konerko isn't going to hit .270 with 35 homers and 100 rbis. thanks Here is my point. If you are waiting for a rebound from Konerko, then you have to Pray that he rebounds from multiple rebound attempts. Certainly without even seeing the rest of the draft, there were better players to take then him at 6! Im sure Sheff was still available and would upgrade him at DH and he could still play Lyle at 1B.



I would even go so far as to say that Joey Votto is a better option at 1B than Konerko- but you must be a Chisox fan and I am sorry to tell you...



No soup for you [/QUOTE]Headhunters hopefully you are already bored with debating this cat- it is not a fair fight. Too many ignorant statements there to even keep my interest.



Dub feel free to put some money on the line and head out to Vegas. Remember what they say about if you have not found the sucker at the table....

so your idea of winning an argument is to ignore the question. is 1base in the infield- yes or no. if yes- and you think konerko is a bad pick- then how is the infield "excellent". you have never stated any facts. ist you bashed the guys team. then you bashed me. then you bashed chest. throw some facts up. but answer the question 1st. or say you were wrong in posting "1st base is a prayer" and "your infield is excellent". see- i look for people all the time that contradict themselves. if they do it means they can't think logically or are lying to me. in your case- you had no reason to lie- so i will go for the former. you managed to contradict yourself in 2 sentences. that is tough to do.

You guys are unbelievable. Because you have played FBB at this site, you think that you have cornered the market on FBB knowledge.



Of course I have heard of the 27 age rap before-Matter of fact from Crazy. But being a stat guy, you can find statistical evidence to support just about anything. Just vary your sample size.

Originally posted by headhunters:

so your idea of winning an argument is to ignore the question. is 1base in the infield- yes or no. if yes- and you think konerko is a bad pick- then how is the infield "excellent". you have never stated any facts. ist you bashed the guys team. then you bashed me. then you bashed chest. throw some facts up. but answer the question 1st. or say you were wrong in posting "1st base is a prayer" and "your infield is excellent". see- i look for people all the time that contradict themselves. if they do it means they can't think logically or are lying to me. in your case- you had no reason to lie- so i will go for the former. you managed to contradict yourself in 2 sentences. that is tough to do. Any body tell you -you are anal retentive? First base is part of the infield, but I excluded it for the sake of brevity in my assessment.



I just didn’t want to go player by player for the sake of brevity.



One of you also quoted me, but kept it as your own!



Team as no upside. Very nice plagiarism.

still haven't answered the question. my question has nothing to do with fantasy baseball. it has to do with logic. also- point out where i said anything about age 27 referring to breakouts. i said the ages of his team are mostly 27-34. if you are this bad with the printed word right in front of your eyes- you most be hell on wheels verbally. you here and see what you want. ps- please post paul konerkos hr, rbi, ba total for the last 8 years and point out to all how he has multiple rebound attempts. i see one bad year out of 8 and 1 poor to average year. 6 good , 1 bad, 1 aver. please post his yearly totals so we can all see for ourselves the multiple rebound attempts.