Overstuffed Pigs_on_Draft_Day

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:24 am

Let's hear em. Here's some of mine...

David Ortiz - Never lock up your DH spot that early. He's a year older on gimpy knees. stay away.

Carlos Beltran - When a CF gets both knees operated on, that means STAY AWAY. sb's could go right down the toilet.

Matt Kemp - Great #'s but is getting squeezed for PT. if he continues making lacidasical mistakes, his AB could be chopped significantly

Carlos Zambrano - Z's ERA has risen the past 4 years. WHIP ratio the past two years is unacceptable as a front line starter. lot of pitches on his arm.

Jim Thome - Again, locking up a DH spot early with a guy who is VERY brittle. will sit the when the sox are in the NL.

Jason Bay - never the same after knee surgery

Dan Uggla - .250's isn't what you are looking for from a 2B with no speed

Carlos Delgado - I watched the guy play last year, and he was downright brutal at the plate/ mechanics looked all messed up.

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:32 am

Soon to be overstuffed pigs?

Braun and Weeks

Braun

"It's my right Achilles, so it hurts when I try to push off my back leg [while] hitting or running ."

Weeks

A swollen right hand is going to force Milwaukee Brewers second baseman Rickie Weeks to take a few days off. Weeks has been a strikeout machine at the plate, punching out 20 times in 40 at-bats while batting a meager .125. He also has been erratic in the field, committing a team-high five errors.

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NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:34 am

What about Francisco Liriano?

Andy Tu La Daddy · Post by **Andy Tu La Daddy** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:34 am

I disagree on your Zambrano read.

We all know that he is a head case and the contract negotations last year could not have helped.

He might actually be "relaxed" this year. He has been incredibly focused this spring and has been dominant (not that we can read too much in to spring stats).

Time will tell but he has a great lineup behind him and a solid bullpen.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:34 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

What about Francisco Liriano?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:35 am

Originally posted by Andy Tu La Daddy:

I disagree on your Zambrano read.

what exactly did you disagree with?

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:38 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

What about Francisco Liriano?

Conveniently left off the list.

Andy Tu La Daddy · Post by **Andy Tu La Daddy** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:41 am

Zambrano will win 18 games with an ERA of 3.85, WHIP of 1.25 and 180Ks.

Put it in the bank

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:42 am

Agree with all, Thome and Zambrano with the caveat that they were taken in the ninth or earlier.

Beltran's adp not moving was a surprise to me. I had him behind Granderson, Sizemore, Rios, Ichiro, Guerrero, even Markakis who I don't expect to match last years numbers.

Was the reason press driven? Although there was word about Beltran's surgery it seemed the press was very quiet about him and screaming about Pujols and Soriano.

By the same token how about the "How long are you prepared to hang on to these guys while they are in the minors" awards going to Rasmus, Bruce, and Longoria, and Kershaw.

Or the "Now that I have rostered these guys well before there adp, how will they perform against real major leaguers and can they do it for 6 months?" award going to Cueto, Milledge, and Velez.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:44 am

The perennial Jason Bay - he had two good performance-enhanced seasons in the mid 00's, get over it. Even the Pirates don't want him. He's a 265 hitter with 20-25 HR power on a bad team with minimal speed. That isn't a single-digit round player.

Howie Kendrick - 9 HRs and 11 SBs over 2 seasons and 625 plate apppearances. He hit over 300 in a half a season last yr thanks to an inflated hit ratio. Whoppee, he's the David DeJesus of the IF.

Billy Butler - DH clutter that "might" hit 20 HRs while stealing nothing and delivering poor R/RBI production on a low-scoring team. I could cobble together a new guy every month from the waiver pool and get better stats from my DH slot.

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:44 am

Good call on Weeks, as I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back in the minors again this season.

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JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:46 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Agree with all, Thome and Zambrano with the caveat that they were taken in the ninth or earlier.

Beltran's adp not moving was a surprise to me. I had him behind Granderson, Sizemore, Rios, Ichiro, Guerrero, even Markakis who I don't expect to match last years numbers.

Was the reason press driven? Although there was word about Beltran's surgery it seemed the press was very quiet about him and screaming about Pujols and Soriano.

By the same token how about the "How long are you prepared to hang on to these guys while they are in the minors" awards going to Rasmus, Bruce, and Longoria, and Kershaw.

Or the "Now that I have rostered these guys well before there adp, how will they perform against real major leaguers and can they do it for 6 months?" award going to Cueto, Milledge, and Velez. I'm feeling good about this year after this post!

Milledge is the real deal...

I had Liriano and Weeks on mine also. I would have taken Ortiz at 10th pick in Rd 2, if he had fallen.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:47 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Let's hear em. Here's some of mine...

David Ortiz - Never lock up your DH spot that early. He's a year older on gimpy knees. stay away.

Carlos Beltran - When a CF gets both knees operated on, that means STAY AWAY. sb's could go right down the toilet.

Matt Kemp - Great #'s but is getting squeezed for PT. if he continues making lacidasical mistakes, his AB could be chopped significantly

Carlos Zambrano - Z's ERA has risen the past 4 years. WHIP ratio the past two years is unacceptable as a front line starter. lot of pitches on his arm.

Jim Thome - Again, locking up a DH spot early with a guy who is VERY brittle. will sit the when the sox are in the NL.

Jason Bay - never the same after knee surgery

Dan Uggla - .250's isn't what you are looking for from a 2B with no speed

Carlos Delgado - I watched the guy play last year, and he was downright brutal at the plate/ mechanics looked all messed up. I agree with almost all other than Uggla. He hit .282 in 2006, .245 in 2007. There's no reason to think he can't hit .260-.280 this year. He's a young player. I certainly don't have him down as a .250 hitter. I think once again, the previous year gets too much attention.

As far as Kemp, my guess is he gets 500 at-bats and provides excellent all-around numbers. He is also projected as future power hitter.

I think Ortiz will be right around Prince Fielder as far as value but I do agree with you it's not the best thing to wrap up your DH early. I have picked Sheffield in the 6th, but that could end up being a mistake. Hopefully, he attains outfield eligibility at some point but I'm not holding my breath.

Overall, a good list.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:48 am

Originally posted by Andy Tu La Daddy:

Zambrano will win 18 games with an ERA of 3.85, WHIP of 1.25 and 180Ks.

Put it in the bank this post may come in handy for one of us at the end of the season. search by typing in "zzz" and we should find it quickly.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:48 am

Just my opinion, but I think CC goes on the overstuffed pig list.

He's had his career year, made it without significant injury. I don't think it happens twice.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:49 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Agree with all, Thome and Zambrano with the caveat that they were taken in the ninth or earlier.

Beltran's adp not moving was a surprise to me. I had him behind Granderson, Sizemore, Rios, Ichiro, Guerrero, even Markakis who I don't expect to match last years numbers.

Was the reason press driven? Although there was word about Beltran's surgery it seemed the press was very quiet about him and screaming about Pujols and Soriano.

By the same token how about the "How long are you prepared to hang on to these guys while they are in the minors" awards going to Rasmus, Bruce, and Longoria, and Kershaw.

Or the "Now that I have rostered these guys well before there adp, how will they perform against real major leaguers and can they do it for 6 months?" award going to Cueto, Milledge, and Velez. sounds like i was part of the advisory panel without being a member!!!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:50 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Billy Butler - DH clutter that "might" hit 20 HRs while stealing nothing and delivering poor R/RBI production on a low-scoring team. I could cobble together a new guy every month from the waiver pool and get better stats from my DH slot. zzz

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JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:51 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

The perennial Jason Bay - he had two good performance-enhanced seasons in the mid 00's, get over it. Even the Pirates don't want him. He's a 265 hitter with 20-25 HR power on a bad team with minimal speed. That isn't a single-digit round player.

Howie Kendrick - 9 HRs and 11 SBs over 2 seasons and 625 plate apppearances. He hit over 300 in a half a season last yr thanks to an inflated hit ratio. Whoppee, he's the David DeJesus of the IF.

Billy Butler - DH clutter that "might" hit 20 HRs while stealing nothing and delivering poor R/RBI production on a low-scoring team. I could cobble together a new guy every month from the waiver pool and get better stats from my DH slot. Bay - agree

Kendrick - He's going to be healthy and break out some time. Maybe this year... 15-95 .320 25 SB's when he does.

Butler will be a 1B after first month. .290 18-95 for him this year.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:51 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Andy Tu La Daddy:

Zambrano will win 18 games with an ERA of 3.85, WHIP of 1.25 and 180Ks.

Put it in the bank this post may come in handy for one of us at the end of the season. search by typing in "zzz" and we should find it quickly. [/QUOTE]here's another one for the bank:

Zambrano

3.60-1.21 16 W's, 190 K's

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:52 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Just my opinion, but I think CC goes on the overstuffed pig list.

childs won't like to hear that

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:53 am

Originally posted by UFS:

Butler will be a 1B after first month. .290 18-95 for him this year. .290? think higher

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:54 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Agree with all, Thome and Zambrano with the caveat that they were taken in the ninth or earlier.

Beltran's adp not moving was a surprise to me. I had him behind Granderson, Sizemore, Rios, Ichiro, Guerrero, even Markakis who I don't expect to match last years numbers.

Was the reason press driven? Although there was word about Beltran's surgery it seemed the press was very quiet about him and screaming about Pujols and Soriano.

By the same token how about the "How long are you prepared to hang on to these guys while they are in the minors" awards going to Rasmus, Bruce, and Longoria, and Kershaw.

Or the "Now that I have rostered these guys well before there adp, how will they perform against real major leaguers and can they do it for 6 months?" award going to Cueto, Milledge, and Velez. sounds like i was part of the advisory panel without being a member!!!

[/QUOTE]I am up for panel disciplinary action for paying quite a bit for Longoria and drafting Rasmus in round 20.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:56 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Agree with all, Thome and Zambrano with the caveat that they were taken in the ninth or earlier.

Beltran's adp not moving was a surprise to me. I had him behind Granderson, Sizemore, Rios, Ichiro, Guerrero, even Markakis who I don't expect to match last years numbers.

Was the reason press driven? Although there was word about Beltran's surgery it seemed the press was very quiet about him and screaming about Pujols and Soriano.

By the same token how about the "How long are you prepared to hang on to these guys while they are in the minors" awards going to Rasmus, Bruce, and Longoria, and Kershaw.

Or the "Now that I have rostered these guys well before there adp, how will they perform against real major leaguers and can they do it for 6 months?" award going to Cueto, Milledge, and Velez. sounds like i was part of the advisory panel without being a member!!!

[/QUOTE]I am up for panel disciplinary action for paying quite a bit for Longoria and drafting Rasmus in round 20. [/QUOTE]i hope the panel didn't say Longoria and Rasmus were starting the year in the bigs!!!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:57 am

Duke or Daddy: is there anything you disagee with about the Zman profile...

Carlos Zambrano - Z's ERA has risen the past 4 years. WHIP ratio the past two years is unacceptable as a front line starter. lot of pitches on his arm.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:59 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Agree with all, Thome and Zambrano with the caveat that they were taken in the ninth or earlier.

Beltran's adp not moving was a surprise to me. I had him behind Granderson, Sizemore, Rios, Ichiro, Guerrero, even Markakis who I don't expect to match last years numbers.

Was the reason press driven? Although there was word about Beltran's surgery it seemed the press was very quiet about him and screaming about Pujols and Soriano.

By the same token how about the "How long are you prepared to hang on to these guys while they are in the minors" awards going to Rasmus, Bruce, and Longoria, and Kershaw.

Or the "Now that I have rostered these guys well before there adp, how will they perform against real major leaguers and can they do it for 6 months?" award going to Cueto, Milledge, and Velez. sounds like i was part of the advisory panel without being a member!!!

[/QUOTE]I am up for panel disciplinary action for paying quite a bit for Longoria and drafting Rasmus in round 20. [/QUOTE]i hope the panel didn't say Longoria and Rasmus were starting the year in the bigs!!! [/QUOTE]Nah- I am actually a little shocked Longoria is not. I thought to at least appease the fan base. I have heard he may only need as little as 11 days to avoid super 2. I had some roster flexibility creating less need to carry bench players so I took a stab at Rasmus. Hopefully they both work out. If not I will be like the other 388 guys who make mistakes in this contest- leaving you the other spot all to your self.