mock draft #3?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:46 pm

or how about 32 hr, 92 rbi, 97 r, 26o avg, 5 sb from UGGLA

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:16 pm

Mock Draft #3

1.01 - Heels - Hanley Ramirez

1.02 - Captain Hook - Jose Reyes, SS, NYM

1.03 - LessthanDave - Albert Pujols, 1B, STL

1.04 - Tradesman Kettleers - Alex Rodriguez, 3B, NYY

1.05 - emalbright - David Wright, 3B, NYM

1.06 - Hard Heads - Ryan Howard, 1B, PHL

1.07 - Red Rum - Jimmy Rollins, SS, PHL

1.08 - pat young - Miguel Cabrera, 1B, DET

1.09 - Shawn Childs - Josh Hamilton, OF, TEX

1.10 - Ky Reign - Grady Sizemore, OF, CLE

1.11 - Schwks - Ryan Braun, OF, MLW

1.12 - NorCal - Tim Lincecum, P, SF

1.13 - Ryan Carey - Ian Kinsler, 2B, TEX

1.14 - Raskolnikov - Mark Teixeira, 1B, FA

1.15 - Bobby J - Carlos Beltran, OF, NYM

2.01 - Bobby J - B.J. Upton, OF, TB

2.02 - Raskolnikov - A. Soriano, OF, CHC

2.03 - Ryan Carey - Evan Longoria, 3B, TB

2.04 - NorCal - C.C. Sabathia, P, FA

2.05 - Schwks - Carlos Quentin, OF, CWS

2.06 - Ky Reign - Matt Holliday, OF, OAK

2.07 - Shawn Childs - Carl Crawford, OF, TB

2.08 - Pat Young - Dustin Pedroia, 2B, BOS

2.09 - Red Rum - Brandon Phillips, 2B, CIN

2.10 - Hard Heads - Matt Kemp, OF, LAD

2.11 - emalbright - Lance Berkman, 1B, HOU

2.12 - Tradesman Kettleers - Johan Santana, P, NYM

2.13 - LessthanDave - Brian Roberts, 2B, BAL

2.14 - Captain Hook - Manny Ramirez, OF, LAD

2.15 - Heels - Ichiro Suzuki, OF, SEA

3.01 - Heels - Prince Fielder, 1B, MLW

3.02 - Captain Hook - Alexei Ramirez, 2B, CWS

3.03 - LessthanDave - Carlos Lee, OF, HOU

3.04 - Tradesman Kettleers - Chase Utley, 2B, PHL

3.05 - emalbright - Alexi Rios, OF, TOR

3.06 - Hard Heads - Jacoby Ellsbury, OF, BOS

3.07 - Red Rum - Justin Morneau, 1B, MIN

3.08 - pat young - Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B, BOS

3.09 - Shawn Childs - Jason Bay, OF, BOS

3.10 - Ky Reign - Aramis Ramirez, 3B, CHC

3.11 - Schwks - Curtis Granderson, OF, DET

3.12 - NorCal - Nate McLouth, OF, PIT

3.13 - Ryan Carey - Nick Markakis, OF, BAL

3.14 - Raskolnikov - Bobby Abreu, OF, FA

3.15 - Bobby J - Magglio Ordonez, OF, DET

4.01 - Bobby J - Cole Hamels, P, PHL

4.02 - Raskolnikov - David Ortiz, UT, BOS

4.03 - Ryan Carey - Vladimir Guerrero, OF, LAA

4.04 - NorCal - Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, SD

4.05 - Schwks - Brandon Webb, P, AZ

4.06 - Ky Reign - Brian McCann, C, ATL

4.07 - Shawn Childs - Russell Martin, C, LAD

4.08 - Pat Young - Jake Peavy, P, SD>

4.09 - Red Rum - Adam Dunn, OF, FA

4.10 - Hard Heads - Corey Hart, OF, MLW

4.11 - emalbright - Joe Mauer, C, MIN

4.12 - Tradesman Kettleers -

4.13 - LessthanDave -

4.14 - Captain Hook -

4.15 - Heels -

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:17 pm

I have LTD's pick for 4-13, so hopefully we can make a turn early (PT) in the morning (if not tonight)

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:26 pm

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by KyReign:

not to be pessimistic RC, pedroia is a good contact hitter with average, but he went from 8 hr's, 7 sb's in 520 ab's in '07, to 17 hr's, 20 sb's in 653 ab's '08. IMO, that makes him up and coming and necessarily unproven. people taking him in the second round are assuming he's going to duplicate or improve on his best year ever. IMO Look - I'm not saying that he will outproduce - but when you follow up a ROY with an MVP and play for the one of the Top teams in baseball - you have alot going for you. Let's just assume that Ellsbury takes a step forward and the Sox sign Texeira - which I think they will - how do you like Pedroia then? And it is all about scarcity when it comes to 2B. [/QUOTE]The Red Sox are among the top three in runs scored every year. They could sign Tony Gwyn and Babe Ruth in their prime and the improvement over who they were batting at the top of their order is still going to be marginal. You're not going to get an extra 20 runs because you have Ortiz, Tex, instead of Ortiz, Youk. On the contrary, if his BA/OBP regresses as it is likely to, he will only score less. Anyway, just assuming that the Red Sox will sign Tex shows your optimism and team loyalties pretty clearly. There is no great reason to think that will happen.

[ December 11, 2008, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:15 pm

[ December 12, 2008, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:17 pm

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

Look - I'm no Boston fan - I'm a Tribe fan.

And I assume nothing - I just said I think that they will sign Tex. All reports that I have read say that he is their top target. It could just be a game to get the Yankees to spend more money -and let's not forget that Scott Boras is involved here- but I think Theo is getting close to closing a deal. Shawn what is the word in Boston???

Fox Sports

Yahoo Sports Also - I don't really want to argue the merits of Pedroia, a guy I most likely will not draft this year, but what do you base the assumption that his BA/OBP will regress on. The guy makes contact over 90% of the time - he puts the ball in play - and his OBP has been .374 two years straight. Where's he going to regress to .310 instead of .326?

[ December 12, 2008, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:26 pm

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman.

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:43 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman. And a pretty good one. I love the Boston management but I don't understand going after Tex other than to keep him away from a competing team.

[ December 12, 2008, 01:44 AM: Message edited by: Raskolnikov ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:16 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

hey awesome! St. Ignatius class of '02 here!'02! I feel old.

Bedrock, Class of '-2,000

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:43 am

Originally posted by Raskolnikov:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman. And a pretty good one. I love the Boston management but I don't understand going after Tex other than to keep him away from a competing team. [/QUOTE]Tex at first, Youk at third and let old "One-Ball" Lowell slip away? Yep, I would do it. Youk (R), Ortiz (L), Tex (B) at 3-4-5 would be killer, in both fantasy and real-world.

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:06 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Raskolnikov:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman. And a pretty good one. I love the Boston management but I don't understand going after Tex other than to keep him away from a competing team. [/QUOTE]Tex at first, Youk at third and let old "One-Ball" Lowell slip away? Yep, I would do it. Youk (R), Ortiz (L), Tex (B) at 3-4-5 would be killer, in both fantasy and real-world. [/QUOTE]Let's not forget the hip surgery that Lowell just undertook - he's still a clubhouse guy - so the Sox could move him to a team looking for a stopgap at 3B.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:49 am

Lowell is an outstanding defender and a good offensive player. If I'm going to spend 20 million per on a guy, it is going to be someone who can improve my team as much as possible, which means replacing a poor player. I guess it would all make sense if they get Tex or Lowe and then send a current player packing to Texas so they can attain a catcher because a good catcher over Varitek is worth a lot more than Tex over Lowell.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:53 am

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

Look - I'm no Boston fan - I'm a Tribe fan.

And I assume nothing - I just said I think that they will sign Tex. All reports that I have read say that he is their top target. It could just be a game to get the Yankees to spend more money -and let's not forget that Scott Boras is involved here- but I think Theo is getting close to closing a deal. Shawn what is the word in Boston???

Fox Sports

Yahoo Sports Also - I don't really want to argue the merits of Pedroia, a guy I most likely will not draft this year, but what do you base the assumption that his BA/OBP will regress on. The guy makes contact over 90% of the time - he puts the ball in play - and his OBP has been .374 two years straight. Where's he going to regress to .310 instead of .326? [/QUOTE]The Red Sox will invest in a top bat in the next couple of years. They lost Manny so they have some room to pay someone. I know they have Bay pretty cheap, but I thought they would resign him early. As for Teixeira, do you really think he wants to play in Baltimore or Washington? It could be years before they contend. I see Teixeira signing with Boston or the Angels.

[ December 12, 2008, 08:56 AM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:06 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Less than Dave:

hey awesome! St. Ignatius class of '02 here!'02! I feel old.

Bedrock, Class of '-2,000 [/QUOTE]haha dont worry I'm probably the youngest NFBC player, or one of anyhow... I was 23 for my first one 2 years ago...

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:07 am

still waitin on tradesman?

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:18 am

Mock Draft #3

1.01 - Heels - Hanley Ramirez

1.02 - Captain Hook - Jose Reyes, SS, NYM

1.03 - LessthanDave - Albert Pujols, 1B, STL

1.04 - Tradesman Kettleers - Alex Rodriguez, 3B, NYY

1.05 - emalbright - David Wright, 3B, NYM

1.06 - Hard Heads - Ryan Howard, 1B, PHL

1.07 - Red Rum - Jimmy Rollins, SS, PHL

1.08 - pat young - Miguel Cabrera, 1B, DET

1.09 - Shawn Childs - Josh Hamilton, OF, TEX

1.10 - Ky Reign - Grady Sizemore, OF, CLE

1.11 - Schwks - Ryan Braun, OF, MLW

1.12 - NorCal - Tim Lincecum, P, SF

1.13 - Ryan Carey - Ian Kinsler, 2B, TEX

1.14 - Raskolnikov - Mark Teixeira, 1B, FA

1.15 - Bobby J - Carlos Beltran, OF, NYM

2.01 - Bobby J - B.J. Upton, OF, TB

2.02 - Raskolnikov - A. Soriano, OF, CHC

2.03 - Ryan Carey - Evan Longoria, 3B, TB

2.04 - NorCal - C.C. Sabathia, P, FA

2.05 - Schwks - Carlos Quentin, OF, CWS

2.06 - Ky Reign - Matt Holliday, OF, OAK

2.07 - Shawn Childs - Carl Crawford, OF, TB

2.08 - Pat Young - Dustin Pedroia, 2B, BOS

2.09 - Red Rum - Brandon Phillips, 2B, CIN

2.10 - Hard Heads - Matt Kemp, OF, LAD

2.11 - emalbright - Lance Berkman, 1B, HOU

2.12 - Tradesman Kettleers - Johan Santana, P, NYM

2.13 - LessthanDave - Brian Roberts, 2B, BAL

2.14 - Captain Hook - Manny Ramirez, OF, LAD

2.15 - Heels - Ichiro Suzuki, OF, SEA

3.01 - Heels - Prince Fielder, 1B, MLW

3.02 - Captain Hook - Alexei Ramirez, 2B, CWS

3.03 - LessthanDave - Carlos Lee, OF, HOU

3.04 - Tradesman Kettleers - Chase Utley, 2B, PHL

3.05 - emalbright - Alexi Rios, OF, TOR

3.06 - Hard Heads - Jacoby Ellsbury, OF, BOS

3.07 - Red Rum - Justin Morneau, 1B, MIN

3.08 - pat young - Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B, BOS

3.09 - Shawn Childs - Jason Bay, OF, BOS

3.10 - Ky Reign - Aramis Ramirez, 3B, CHC

3.11 - Schwks - Curtis Granderson, OF, DET

3.12 - NorCal - Nate McLouth, OF, PIT

3.13 - Ryan Carey - Nick Markakis, OF, BAL

3.14 - Raskolnikov - Bobby Abreu, OF, FA

3.15 - Bobby J - Magglio Ordonez, OF, DET

4.01 - Bobby J - Cole Hamels, P, PHL

4.02 - Raskolnikov - David Ortiz, UT, BOS

4.03 - Ryan Carey - Vladimir Guerrero, OF, LAA

4.04 - NorCal - Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, SD

4.05 - Schwks - Brandon Webb, P, AZ

4.06 - Ky Reign - Brian McCann, C, ATL

4.07 - Shawn Childs - Russell Martin, C, LAD

4.08 - Pat Young - Jake Peavy, P, SD>

4.09 - Red Rum - Adam Dunn, OF, FA

4.10 - Hard Heads - Corey Hart, OF, MLW

4.11 - emalbright - Joe Mauer, C, MIN

4.12 - Tradesman Kettleers -

4.13 - LessthanDave - Dan Haren, P, AZ

4.14 - Captain Hook - Jonathan Papelbon, P, BOS

4.15 - Heels -

5.01 - Heels -

5.02 - Captain Hook -

5.03 - LessthanDave -

5.04 - Tradesman Kettleers -

5.05 - emalbright -

5.06 - Hard Heads -

5.07 - Red Rum -

5.08 - pat young -

5.09 - Shawn Childs -

5.10 - Ky Reign -

5.11 - Schwks -

5.12 - NorCal -

5.13 - Ryan Carey -

5.14 - Raskolnikov -

5.15 - Bobby J -

[ December 12, 2008, 09:24 AM: Message edited by: Captain Hook ]

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:19 am

I don't think we can/should wait on Tradesman any longer, so I will post the PM pick from LTD - unless he posts first and then mine and we will move along - Tradesman can post his pick if he shows before next turn - if not I will look for someone to takeover his team.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:24 am

I sent 10 options to Shawn so he has my pick if/when it comes to me.

HH

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:24 am

Okay sent note to Heels for turn picks

per PM from LTD - 4.13 Dan Haren

and I will take 4.14 Jonathan Papelbon

IF there is anyone watching who would like to take over a team or just make a few picks, please send me a PM

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:01 am

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Raskolnikov:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman. And a pretty good one. I love the Boston management but I don't understand going after Tex other than to keep him away from a competing team. [/QUOTE]Tex at first, Youk at third and let old "One-Ball" Lowell slip away? Yep, I would do it. Youk (R), Ortiz (L), Tex (B) at 3-4-5 would be killer, in both fantasy and real-world. [/QUOTE]Let's not forget the hip surgery that Lowell just undertook - he's still a clubhouse guy - so the Sox could move him to a team looking for a stopgap at 3B. [/QUOTE]Teams are lining up for an older, expensive, stopgap 3b coming off surgery.

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:05 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Okay sent note to Heels for turn picks

per PM from LTD - 4.13 Dan Haren

and I will take 4.14 Jonathan Papelbon

IF there is anyone watching who would like to take over a team or just make a few picks, please send me a PM Hook, "PLEASE post your picks as - 4.10 Player, Pos, TM" thanks

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:00 am

Sorry Dave - I thought you knew who those two were - especially since one was your pick

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:30 am

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

Look - I'm no Boston fan - I'm a Tribe fan.

And I assume nothing - I just said I think that they will sign Tex. All reports that I have read say that he is their top target. It could just be a game to get the Yankees to spend more money -and let's not forget that Scott Boras is involved here- but I think Theo is getting close to closing a deal. Shawn what is the word in Boston???

Fox Sports

Yahoo Sports Also - I don't really want to argue the merits of Pedroia, a guy I most likely will not draft this year, but what do you base the assumption that his BA/OBP will regress on. The guy makes contact over 90% of the time - he puts the ball in play - and his OBP has been .374 two years straight. Where's he going to regress to .310 instead of .326? [/QUOTE]Sure. Why not? That's still a 16 point drop in BA if you were expecting last years stats. Players in general are likely to regress closer to the mean when jumping in BA. It is just tough for most players to maintain that level of BA. Think of the players who hit over .300 in 2007 and see how many improved in 2008. Pedroia was one, but that was an exception. I expect him to follow the rule this year. Also, he is not getting the extra flyballs that go out of the park like some of the Pujols-like power hitters who go for a high average. If he hits less homers as many expect, it will have some BA effect as well.

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:02 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Raskolnikov:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman. And a pretty good one. I love the Boston management but I don't understand going after Tex other than to keep him away from a competing team. [/QUOTE]Tex at first, Youk at third and let old "One-Ball" Lowell slip away? Yep, I would do it. Youk (R), Ortiz (L), Tex (B) at 3-4-5 would be killer, in both fantasy and real-world. [/QUOTE]Let's not forget the hip surgery that Lowell just undertook - he's still a clubhouse guy - so the Sox could move him to a team looking for a stopgap at 3B. [/QUOTE]Teams are lining up for an older, expensive, stopgap 3b coming off surgery. [/QUOTE]I think both Minnesota and Cleveland would gladly take Lowell on at the right price. Minnesota makes the most sense to me.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:33 am

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Raskolnikov:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

All the reports I read said that the Red Sox have a first baseman. And a pretty good one. I love the Boston management but I don't understand going after Tex other than to keep him away from a competing team. [/QUOTE]Tex at first, Youk at third and let old "One-Ball" Lowell slip away? Yep, I would do it. Youk (R), Ortiz (L), Tex (B) at 3-4-5 would be killer, in both fantasy and real-world. [/QUOTE]Let's not forget the hip surgery that Lowell just undertook - he's still a clubhouse guy - so the Sox could move him to a team looking for a stopgap at 3B. [/QUOTE]Teams are lining up for an older, expensive, stopgap 3b coming off surgery. [/QUOTE]I think both Minnesota and Cleveland would gladly take Lowell on at the right price. Minnesota makes the most sense to me. [/QUOTE]The economics make little sense for either team. Small market teams seldom rent aging, expensive players. Especially having to give up prospects in return. Florida had a heckuva time dealing Lowell when he was healthy and younger, Boston would find dealing him even more difficult.