Alright, BEF had his allotted 12 hours to make a pick so I'm going to skip him and select Yankees SS Derek Jeter.
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Originally posted by RawTalent:
Alright, BEF had his allotted 12 hours to make a pick so I'm going to skip him and select Yankees SS Derek Jeter.
RT Skipping people kind of defeats the purpose of the exercise. Dan why not assign him a player or anyone watching take over for him. You get the pleasure of inheriting Abreu with your first pick, maybe Helton in the 2nd, Lidge in the 3rd?
Alright, BEF had his allotted 12 hours to make a pick so I'm going to skip him and select Yankees SS Derek Jeter.
RT Skipping people kind of defeats the purpose of the exercise. Dan why not assign him a player or anyone watching take over for him. You get the pleasure of inheriting Abreu with your first pick, maybe Helton in the 2nd, Lidge in the 3rd?
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Look guys, I'll even be a gentlemen and let BEF have Jeter if it gets things rolling agian....I'm about to die of boredom this offseason.
If I don't get Jeter then I want Phillies SS Jimmy Rollins.
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If I don't get Jeter then I want Phillies SS Jimmy Rollins.
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Somebody want to make a selection for BEF?
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He probably got upset over Chesty's jab at the Abreu selection. He does rub people the wrong way sometimes.
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Originally posted by Dak:
He probably got upset over Chesty's jab at the Abreu selection. He does rub people the wrong way sometimes. Yep like you- maybe he should grade my team an F like you did in our league together last year extremely mature move- by the way refresh my memory on how our 2 teams did in the standings?
Did I not do the guy a favor- 99 guys out of 100 would tell you bad pick there. Dak do you think Abreu is a top twelve guy in 07?
Dan- how about just assigning him the next guy on Greg's 2007 draft picks which I believe would be Matt Holliday.
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He probably got upset over Chesty's jab at the Abreu selection. He does rub people the wrong way sometimes. Yep like you- maybe he should grade my team an F like you did in our league together last year extremely mature move- by the way refresh my memory on how our 2 teams did in the standings?
Did I not do the guy a favor- 99 guys out of 100 would tell you bad pick there. Dak do you think Abreu is a top twelve guy in 07?
Dan- how about just assigning him the next guy on Greg's 2007 draft picks which I believe would be Matt Holliday.
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Hey Chest, please try not to give away my guys(Holliday)!!! Actually, you're right on the money with your previous thought of "defeating the purpose". Each draft has its own dynamic and that dynamic is powered by the individual predilections of the owners involved. Maybe BEF thought he had plenty of time, seeing as it took a few days to get this puppy off the ground. I'm in favor of giving BEF the rest of today,but we do need to keep moving. A thought on that Abreu pick. I had Abreu this past year, pick #11, and took Utley at #20. While slightly disappointed in Abreu, I wasn't disappointed by their combined efforts and would have been OK if they had been flip-flopped in the order. Looking toward 2007, I actually like Abreu as much as going into 2006. In that Yankee lineup he'll have as many RBI opportunities as in Phillie. I don't see a huge suppression in his SB's given his new surroundings(age,is another matter). With the lineup protection he'll enjoy and his OBP, he should score 110+/- and hit around his usual .295-.305 with a bias toward the positive in BA. The problem last year was HR's. A major problem with my team as a whole this past year. Yet with the favorable Right Field in Yankee Stadium and being distanced even further from the HR Derby extravaganza of '05, I see a return of power to the 23-28 range. Now having said all that, I would have taken Holliday in that slot. But now he can rectify that by taking Holliday here, if he wishes to go OF. He still has plenty of options and Holliday/Abreu after 2 rounds would look OK to me. It might not be "sexy", but it's a fine start. Boxing their numbers, I'd say about 1100-1200 AB's of combined .310+/- BA,55+/- HR, 40+ SB's, 210-220 RBI, 210-220 Runs. I like the "potential" BA,RBIs,Runs. I might like a little more of power or speed, but that's a good start. Can't have every thing,unless you're Albert Pujols with a Gold Glove to put next to those Silver Sluggers.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, while analyzing individual picks is fun. Ultimately, it's a fruitless endeavour as mistakes can be rectified or compounded as soon as your next turn. Doesn't make it any less fun though and nobody I know has ever had a "Perfect" draft. Plus, there is always FAAB. Thank-you Bronson Arroyo, took alot of grief in T3 for my bid on him. Too bad it took 2/3's of a season to get my pitching squared away. Well, at least I did, small comfort overall but I did regain a measure of self-respect.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, while analyzing individual picks is fun. Ultimately, it's a fruitless endeavour as mistakes can be rectified or compounded as soon as your next turn. Doesn't make it any less fun though and nobody I know has ever had a "Perfect" draft. Plus, there is always FAAB. Thank-you Bronson Arroyo, took alot of grief in T3 for my bid on him. Too bad it took 2/3's of a season to get my pitching squared away. Well, at least I did, small comfort overall but I did regain a measure of self-respect.
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Originally posted by Tradesman Kettleers:
Hey Chest, please try not to give away my guys(Holliday)!!! Actually, you're right on the money with your previous thought of "defeating the purpose". Each draft has its own dynamic and that dynamic is powered by the individual predilections of the owners involved. Maybe BEF thought he had plenty of time, seeing as it took a few days to get this puppy off the ground. I'm in favor of giving BEF the rest of today,but we do need to keep moving. A thought on that Abreu pick. I had Abreu this past year, pick #11, and took Utley at #20. While slightly disappointed in Abreu, I wasn't disappointed by their combined efforts and would have been OK if they had been flip-flopped in the order. Looking toward 2007, I actually like Abreu as much as going into 2006. In that Yankee lineup he'll have as many RBI opportunities as in Phillie. I don't see a huge suppression in his SB's given his new surroundings(age,is another matter). With the lineup protection he'll enjoy and his OBP, he should score 110+/- and hit around his usual .295-.305 with a bias toward the positive in BA. The problem last year was HR's. A major problem with my team as a whole this past year. Yet with the favorable Right Field in Yankee Stadium and being distanced even further from the HR Derby extravaganza of '05, I see a return of power to the 23-28 range. Now having said all that, I would have taken Holliday in that slot. But now he can rectify that by taking Holliday here, if he wishes to go OF. He still has plenty of options and Holliday/Abreu after 2 rounds would look OK to me. It might not be "sexy", but it's a fine start. Boxing their numbers, I'd say about 1100-1200 AB's of combined .310+/- BA,55+/- HR, 40+ SB's, 210-220 RBI, 210-220 Runs. I like the "potential" BA,RBIs,Runs. I might like a little more of power or speed, but that's a good start. Can't have every thing,unless you're Albert Pujols with a Gold Glove to put next to those Silver Sluggers.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, while analyzing individual picks is fun. Ultimately, it's a fruitless endeavour as mistakes can be rectified or compounded as soon as your next turn. Doesn't make it any less fun though and nobody I know has ever had a "Perfect" draft. Plus, there is always FAAB. Thank-you Bronson Arroyo, took alot of grief in T3 for my bid on him. Too bad it took 2/3's of a season to get my pitching squared away. Well, at least I did, small comfort overall but I did regain a measure of self-respect. Interesting debate- my thought on Abreu is the decline in power is here to stay. I know about the RF porch in yankee stadium but he has hit in a pretty favorable situation in Philly with no real power in a year and a half. You combine the age and the guys behind him and the steals should go down possibly way down- although one could argue that it did not for Jeter or Damon last year. Runs scored should be slightly up, avg up a bit. Solid guy around pick 25-35 but not a top 12 guy. Utley would be a fine pick at 12 IMO.
Hey Chest, please try not to give away my guys(Holliday)!!! Actually, you're right on the money with your previous thought of "defeating the purpose". Each draft has its own dynamic and that dynamic is powered by the individual predilections of the owners involved. Maybe BEF thought he had plenty of time, seeing as it took a few days to get this puppy off the ground. I'm in favor of giving BEF the rest of today,but we do need to keep moving. A thought on that Abreu pick. I had Abreu this past year, pick #11, and took Utley at #20. While slightly disappointed in Abreu, I wasn't disappointed by their combined efforts and would have been OK if they had been flip-flopped in the order. Looking toward 2007, I actually like Abreu as much as going into 2006. In that Yankee lineup he'll have as many RBI opportunities as in Phillie. I don't see a huge suppression in his SB's given his new surroundings(age,is another matter). With the lineup protection he'll enjoy and his OBP, he should score 110+/- and hit around his usual .295-.305 with a bias toward the positive in BA. The problem last year was HR's. A major problem with my team as a whole this past year. Yet with the favorable Right Field in Yankee Stadium and being distanced even further from the HR Derby extravaganza of '05, I see a return of power to the 23-28 range. Now having said all that, I would have taken Holliday in that slot. But now he can rectify that by taking Holliday here, if he wishes to go OF. He still has plenty of options and Holliday/Abreu after 2 rounds would look OK to me. It might not be "sexy", but it's a fine start. Boxing their numbers, I'd say about 1100-1200 AB's of combined .310+/- BA,55+/- HR, 40+ SB's, 210-220 RBI, 210-220 Runs. I like the "potential" BA,RBIs,Runs. I might like a little more of power or speed, but that's a good start. Can't have every thing,unless you're Albert Pujols with a Gold Glove to put next to those Silver Sluggers.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, while analyzing individual picks is fun. Ultimately, it's a fruitless endeavour as mistakes can be rectified or compounded as soon as your next turn. Doesn't make it any less fun though and nobody I know has ever had a "Perfect" draft. Plus, there is always FAAB. Thank-you Bronson Arroyo, took alot of grief in T3 for my bid on him. Too bad it took 2/3's of a season to get my pitching squared away. Well, at least I did, small comfort overall but I did regain a measure of self-respect. Interesting debate- my thought on Abreu is the decline in power is here to stay. I know about the RF porch in yankee stadium but he has hit in a pretty favorable situation in Philly with no real power in a year and a half. You combine the age and the guys behind him and the steals should go down possibly way down- although one could argue that it did not for Jeter or Damon last year. Runs scored should be slightly up, avg up a bit. Solid guy around pick 25-35 but not a top 12 guy. Utley would be a fine pick at 12 IMO.
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Chesty is still sensitive - can't take the heat this yr either. BTW - I believe you are right about Abreu, lower 2nd, upper 3rd round pick, depending on how speed is rated. On the other hand, I am not one to berate a fellow owner for his picks. Except yours, of course.
Have a good season Chesty - was thinking Tampa draft this yr just to introduce myself.
Have a good season Chesty - was thinking Tampa draft this yr just to introduce myself.
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Alright, BEF's selection is Lance Berkman.
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Originally posted by Dak:
Chesty is still sensitive - can't take the heat this yr either. BTW - I believe you are right about Abreu, lower 2nd, upper 3rd round pick, depending on how speed is rated. On the other hand, I am not one to berate a fellow owner for his picks. Except yours, of course.
Have a good season Chesty - was thinking Tampa draft this yr just to introduce myself. Am I in your head that much that you want to travel just to meet me? Wow that is sweet- outside chance I will be in Vegas, outside chance I will not be in at all- so do not get too excited yet. I do look forward to the opportunity of possibly giving you a hard time face to face also. A few of us I am sure will be grabbing dinner after the draft if you are really nice to me maybe you can come along. If not you can go straight to Mons Venus with the rest of the guys.
Maybe things are different where you live but in my world giving a guy a nudge or 2 about a pick is expected, berating is calling people names and making it personal I only do that to bjoak- we have a little love/hate thing going on.
bjoak- I know you are watching- how do you feel about the move to Freemont for the A's I have no idea where that is.
Chesty is still sensitive - can't take the heat this yr either. BTW - I believe you are right about Abreu, lower 2nd, upper 3rd round pick, depending on how speed is rated. On the other hand, I am not one to berate a fellow owner for his picks. Except yours, of course.
Have a good season Chesty - was thinking Tampa draft this yr just to introduce myself. Am I in your head that much that you want to travel just to meet me? Wow that is sweet- outside chance I will be in Vegas, outside chance I will not be in at all- so do not get too excited yet. I do look forward to the opportunity of possibly giving you a hard time face to face also. A few of us I am sure will be grabbing dinner after the draft if you are really nice to me maybe you can come along. If not you can go straight to Mons Venus with the rest of the guys.
Maybe things are different where you live but in my world giving a guy a nudge or 2 about a pick is expected, berating is calling people names and making it personal I only do that to bjoak- we have a little love/hate thing going on.
bjoak- I know you are watching- how do you feel about the move to Freemont for the A's I have no idea where that is.
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Carlos Lee. Lee to the Astros? Sounds like good fantasy numbers to me.
p.s. I think that I can assemble a powerhouse all-Carlos team if everyone cooperates ... well, at least for 5 rounds
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p.s. I think that I can assemble a powerhouse all-Carlos team if everyone cooperates ... well, at least for 5 rounds
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Hey, I see that the Phillies are working under the assumption that you can never have a good enough offense (or, for that matter, bad enough pitching and defense) and going after Soriano.
As for the Abreu debate, I don't think there was anything wrong with the pick other than that the guy could have had him in round 2. I wouldn't take him but he has potential to get value at the first round slot. Chest, methinks, is being a bit harsh for guy who had a meltdown after I kidded him about a pick last week. Not that I'm harboring resentment over it. I'm just sayin'.
Fremont is about 20 miles south of Oakland in Silicon valley. Wealthy area but suburban hell. If you want to go out to eat somewhere nice you go to Olive Garden. If you just want to pick something up, there are McDonald's across the street from each other (seriously). That kind of place. No nightlife. No reason to go there except to work (or, of course, see the A's now).
I don't understand where the site is well enough to point to it and say there it is but it sounds like about 1/2 mile from where I work so it won't always inconvenience me to go to a game. In general, people knew the Oakland plan was untenable so they are just happy the team won't be in San Jose or Portland or something, but it is no surprise here in the bay area as we've been reading about Fremont and this site for months.
My feeling is that the team will at least maintain its Oakland fans while converting most Giants fans in the South Bay. Add in the sightseers and they will get, maybe, an even better base of fans than they would have with a new park in Oakland or San Jose.
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1-1 Doughboys-Albert Pujols
1-2 Vander-Alex Rodriguez
1-3 Edward Kings-Jose Reyes
1-4 Dak-Alfonso Soriano
1-5 Chest Rockwell-Ryan Howard
1-6 JEagle-Carl Crawford
1-7 Spyhunter-Johan Santana
1-8 bjoak-Vladimir Guerrero
1-9 Tradesman Kettleers-Chase Utley
1-10 KJ Duke-Carlos Beltran
1-11 Raw Talent-David Wright
1-12 BEF-Bobby Abreu
1-13 Kimo-David Ortiz
1-14 Mr. Dalrae-Ichiro Suzuki
1-15 Don Mathis-Manny Ramirez
2-1 Don Mathis-Mark Teixiera
2-2 Mr. Dalrae-Travis Hafner
2-3 Kimo-Miguel Cabrera
2-4 BEF?-Lance Berkman
2-5 Raw Talent-Derek Jeter
2-6 KJ Duke-Carlos Lee
2-7 Tradesman Kettleers-Derek Lee
2-8 bjoak-Jimmy Rollins
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2-11 Chest Rockwell-
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Hey, I see that the Phillies are working under the assumption that you can never have a good enough offense (or, for that matter, bad enough pitching and defense) and going after Soriano.
As for the Abreu debate, I don't think there was anything wrong with the pick other than that the guy could have had him in round 2. I wouldn't take him but he has potential to get value at the first round slot. Chest, methinks, is being a bit harsh for guy who had a meltdown after I kidded him about a pick last week. Not that I'm harboring resentment over it. I'm just sayin'.
Fremont is about 20 miles south of Oakland in Silicon valley. Wealthy area but suburban hell. If you want to go out to eat somewhere nice you go to Olive Garden. If you just want to pick something up, there are McDonald's across the street from each other (seriously). That kind of place. No nightlife. No reason to go there except to work (or, of course, see the A's now).
I don't understand where the site is well enough to point to it and say there it is but it sounds like about 1/2 mile from where I work so it won't always inconvenience me to go to a game. In general, people knew the Oakland plan was untenable so they are just happy the team won't be in San Jose or Portland or something, but it is no surprise here in the bay area as we've been reading about Fremont and this site for months.
My feeling is that the team will at least maintain its Oakland fans while converting most Giants fans in the South Bay. Add in the sightseers and they will get, maybe, an even better base of fans than they would have with a new park in Oakland or San Jose.
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1-1 Doughboys-Albert Pujols
1-2 Vander-Alex Rodriguez
1-3 Edward Kings-Jose Reyes
1-4 Dak-Alfonso Soriano
1-5 Chest Rockwell-Ryan Howard
1-6 JEagle-Carl Crawford
1-7 Spyhunter-Johan Santana
1-8 bjoak-Vladimir Guerrero
1-9 Tradesman Kettleers-Chase Utley
1-10 KJ Duke-Carlos Beltran
1-11 Raw Talent-David Wright
1-12 BEF-Bobby Abreu
1-13 Kimo-David Ortiz
1-14 Mr. Dalrae-Ichiro Suzuki
1-15 Don Mathis-Manny Ramirez
2-1 Don Mathis-Mark Teixiera
2-2 Mr. Dalrae-Travis Hafner
2-3 Kimo-Miguel Cabrera
2-4 BEF?-Lance Berkman
2-5 Raw Talent-Derek Jeter
2-6 KJ Duke-Carlos Lee
2-7 Tradesman Kettleers-Derek Lee
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Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year?
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year?
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year? [/QUOTE]Which player are you watching? Yeah, you really hate to get stuck with that 30-20 .290 average guy.
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year? [/QUOTE]Which player are you watching? Yeah, you really hate to get stuck with that 30-20 .290 average guy.
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Originally posted by bjoak:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year? [/QUOTE]Which player are you watching? Yeah, you really hate to get stuck with that 30-20 .290 average guy. [/QUOTE]bjoak, not saying he's not a player, just seems to me he goes 5-10 spots higher than he should each season. Maybe its just me.
Last year I got railed on the MB for suggesting that Jason Bay was not a good late 1st/early 2nd selection (his actual '06 stats said he was worth a middle of the 3rd rd pick). I guess Grady is my '07 Jason Bay ... but I may again be in the minority.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year? [/QUOTE]Which player are you watching? Yeah, you really hate to get stuck with that 30-20 .290 average guy. [/QUOTE]bjoak, not saying he's not a player, just seems to me he goes 5-10 spots higher than he should each season. Maybe its just me.
Last year I got railed on the MB for suggesting that Jason Bay was not a good late 1st/early 2nd selection (his actual '06 stats said he was worth a middle of the 3rd rd pick). I guess Grady is my '07 Jason Bay ... but I may again be in the minority.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year? [/QUOTE]Which player are you watching? Yeah, you really hate to get stuck with that 30-20 .290 average guy. [/QUOTE]bjoak, not saying he's not a player, just seems to me he goes 5-10 spots higher than he should each season. Maybe its just me.
Last year I got railed on the MB for suggesting that Jason Bay was not a good late 1st/early 2nd selection (his actual '06 stats said he was worth a middle of the 3rd rd pick). I guess Grady is my '07 Jason Bay ... but I may again be in the minority. [/QUOTE]Have to agree with Bjoak and spy here, that is the right spot for Sizemore. He is a guy IMO with a great shot to be a first round pick in 08.
A little shocked you are so bearish on him, to me there is nothing not to like. His current stats are very nice, always have to love anyone who runs in this contest, and he definitely has a chance to get even better.
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:
Sizemore! One of these years he might actually live up to his ADP. Not sure I'd want to be the one to bet him ... where should he go this year? [/QUOTE]Which player are you watching? Yeah, you really hate to get stuck with that 30-20 .290 average guy. [/QUOTE]bjoak, not saying he's not a player, just seems to me he goes 5-10 spots higher than he should each season. Maybe its just me.
Last year I got railed on the MB for suggesting that Jason Bay was not a good late 1st/early 2nd selection (his actual '06 stats said he was worth a middle of the 3rd rd pick). I guess Grady is my '07 Jason Bay ... but I may again be in the minority. [/QUOTE]Have to agree with Bjoak and spy here, that is the right spot for Sizemore. He is a guy IMO with a great shot to be a first round pick in 08.
A little shocked you are so bearish on him, to me there is nothing not to like. His current stats are very nice, always have to love anyone who runs in this contest, and he definitely has a chance to get even better.
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I am high on Sizemore as a five-tool potential player (a little light on RBI chances and his home park is a little better for pitchers). Except runs, he will not dominate any one category, but will contribute in all five, so I understand why he is picked here. I had him two years ago when he was my last (or one of my last) picks. Golden.
Saying that, I also have a handful of guys still available that I probably would have picked before him.
Good pick, but I also have him as early third round worth.
Saying that, I also have a handful of guys still available that I probably would have picked before him.
Good pick, but I also have him as early third round worth.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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A couple of knocks on Sizemore is his .214 BA vs. lefties and with Hafner hitting cleanup he'll probably have to stay leading off instead of batting third which is where he'd be in most lineups.
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And my draft of Soriano last year in the first round of this Mock was met with the same derision
I thought about bay as well, but like the cleveland lineup better...
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Originally posted by Spyhunter:
And my draft of Soriano last year in the first round of this Mock was met with the same derision
I thought about bay as well, but like the cleveland lineup better...
spy Well, Soriano sure payed off and Sizemore, to me, is much less risky than that "unhappy former second basemen in a pitchers park" was last year.
There may be 25 or 30 ballplayers I would want more than Sizemore, but not by much.
And my draft of Soriano last year in the first round of this Mock was met with the same derision
I thought about bay as well, but like the cleveland lineup better...
spy Well, Soriano sure payed off and Sizemore, to me, is much less risky than that "unhappy former second basemen in a pitchers park" was last year.
There may be 25 or 30 ballplayers I would want more than Sizemore, but not by much.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
bjoak, not saying he's not a player, just seems to me he goes 5-10 spots higher than he should each season. Maybe its just me.
Last year I got railed on the MB for suggesting that Jason Bay was not a good late 1st/early 2nd selection (his actual '06 stats said he was worth a middle of the 3rd rd pick). I guess Grady is my '07 Jason Bay ... but I may again be in the minority. Saying his difference is 5-10 spots is silly because almost every player after the mid-first round goes five spots away from his worth. That's not even compred to how they finish; that's comparing ADP to average projected value. Why? Because most people place different valuations on the five stat groups or, worse, glance at a players five stats and estimate.
Sizemore is a good example. Comparing how he actually finished to my projected values of all the other players in 2006, he was the 15th most valuable hitter in last year's draft (5-10 places or more from where he was drafted). So he doesn't always go too early. Last year he went too late, and he would even after adjusting for position and league-wide offensive increases (which I did not).
For some reason you can't see that. You are probably underestimating his value in runs or stolen bases or just discounting the fact that he adds value in every category while not detracting from any.
Abreu, though not as good a player as Sizemore, was kind of the same deal. I suppose that if players don't have a home run, average, or sb total that jumps out at you some folks discount them.
Now, if we could just get JEagle going here.
bjoak, not saying he's not a player, just seems to me he goes 5-10 spots higher than he should each season. Maybe its just me.
Last year I got railed on the MB for suggesting that Jason Bay was not a good late 1st/early 2nd selection (his actual '06 stats said he was worth a middle of the 3rd rd pick). I guess Grady is my '07 Jason Bay ... but I may again be in the minority. Saying his difference is 5-10 spots is silly because almost every player after the mid-first round goes five spots away from his worth. That's not even compred to how they finish; that's comparing ADP to average projected value. Why? Because most people place different valuations on the five stat groups or, worse, glance at a players five stats and estimate.
Sizemore is a good example. Comparing how he actually finished to my projected values of all the other players in 2006, he was the 15th most valuable hitter in last year's draft (5-10 places or more from where he was drafted). So he doesn't always go too early. Last year he went too late, and he would even after adjusting for position and league-wide offensive increases (which I did not).
For some reason you can't see that. You are probably underestimating his value in runs or stolen bases or just discounting the fact that he adds value in every category while not detracting from any.
Abreu, though not as good a player as Sizemore, was kind of the same deal. I suppose that if players don't have a home run, average, or sb total that jumps out at you some folks discount them.
Now, if we could just get JEagle going here.
Chance favors the prepared mind.