Pre-Mag Mock Draftl

Don Mathis · Post by **Don Mathis** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:22 pm

It was fun guys, thanks

I'll end it with Lieberthal

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:56 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Have no idea what to think of this team...

Opinions?

C Iannetta, Bard

1st LaRoche,

2nd Phillips

3rd Ensberg

SS Hall

MI Wigginton

CI Tracy

OF Crawford, Holliday, Figgins, Scott, Dellucci

UTL Catalanotto

SP Cain, Papelbon, James, McCarthy, Duke, Sowers, Igawa

RP Ryan, Linebrink Your catcgers are fine for where you got them. I really like your whole infield except Ensberg and even he could work out. He's extremly streaky and if he's in a good streak for most of the year he could be a steal, if not he could out of a job entirely. Like most of your outfield too. Pitching could be a problem though Only 1 real closer although a good one. Starters could be shakey. Like Cain, maybe bad team though Papelbon who knows for sure, like James could be softmore jinx though, McCarthey who knows, Duke and Sowers no K's, and Igawa again who knows. Think you'll be fine in BA even if Scott declines there Nice power and speed. Power may depend at least some on Ensberg to help to get to 300 hr's. Good offense though lots of quetions marks pitching. Again jmho.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:09 pm

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:24 pm

Spyhunter, since you are bumping and my premag mock team was above, I will post my Mag II team below to garner opinions, that is if anyone reads or chooses to respond.

6th pick again.

C McCann, Piazza

1B Howard

2B Kendrick

3B Teahen

SS H.Ramirez

CI Morneau

MI Kinsler

OF Markakis, Duffy, Scott, Murton & a combo of Victorino, Jenkins

UTY Catalanotto

CL Ryan, Saito(backed up with Broxton)

Cain, James, Sowers, Igawa, Maine,

J.Shields(homer pick) & ugh, Horacio Ramirez, Jorge Sosa, Victor Santos. Feel one of the last 3 will step up and have a decent season

Opinions???

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:34 pm

I like your team again and predict you will win a league this year. great catchers and infield. Your outfield may be a bit weak and your starters maybe thin. Murton will likely platoon this year and I don't like Duffy, although I assume you wanted the sb's. More depth in sp and maybe another oufielder or 2 earlier.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:12 pm

There is the rub - you can't draft that much offense and still have a good pitching staff, but heavy offense and scrambling for pitching is a better bet than heavy pitching because you won't be able to find (much) additional hitting.

But that said Patrick, I think you will need a LOT to manicure that staff (good offense though).

We will see......

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:37 pm

I think that is a team that looks a little better on paper than it will finish in standings.

Obviously the starting pitching is weak- but I also think at a glance the offense may overkill a bit in some categories and struggle in others.

In short, I like the parts but not the sum of them. I think if you tweak strategy a little bit and learn from this one you could be formidable in the main event.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:09 pm

Here's my team..

Crisp pick went early... had MDC panic pick as I couldn't find a player I wanted, but still wound up liking the pick later..Not sure if he would have lasted another round anyways.

I also tried a few things...like cherry picking for saves a little earlier than normal, and a few real late.

I just missed on several C's I wanted by a pick or two, so wound up drafting them all at the end...

Final Roster

Pos Name Team Pick

C Chris Iannetta COL R25 P9

C Yadier Molina STL R26 P7

C Miguel Montero ARI R28 P7

1B Adrian Gonzalez SD R10 P7

1B Nomar Garciaparra LA R11 P9

1B Ryan Shealy KC R18 P7

1B Sean Casey DET R27 P9

2B Chase Utley PHI R1 P9

SS Michael Young TEX R3 P9

SS Khalil Greene SD R19 P9

SS Brandon Wood ANA R30 P7

3B Adrian Beltre SEA R12 P7

OF Matt Holliday COL R2 P7

OF Coco Crisp BOS R5 P9

OF Delmon Young TB R6 P7

OF Kenny Lofton TEX R13 P9

OF Garret Anderson ANA R17 P9

OF Shin-soo Choo CLE R22 P7

P Brandon Webb ARI R4 P7

P Chad Cordero WAS R7 P9

P Dan Haren OAK R8 P7

P Jered Weaver ANA R9 P9

P Josh Beckett BOS R14 P7

P Akinori Otsuka TEX R15 P9

P Mike Gonzalez ATL R16 P7

P Kenny Rogers DET R20 P7

P Vicente Padilla TEX R21 P9

P Matt Garza MIN R23 P9

P Mike Timlin BOS R24 P7

P Joe Nelson KC R29 P9

Comments?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:32 am

GLU, I guess the one thing I would add to what has already been posted is nine of your offensive starters are entering the year after their breakout years or are highly hyped with full-time MLB jobs for the first time after nice '06 debuts'. Your starting pitchers are primarily young with tremendous upside, but on many teams in, shall we say, a state flux (SF, ATL, TB).

In short, this is a team of youngsters who have great upside, but (depending on if you believe in the sophomore jinx offensively speaking) has a high probabilty of inconsistency. A lot of promise, but this is the team that can break your (fantasy) heart.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:43 am

UFS, love the strategy on the pitching staff. Good pitchers with experience and in their prime (don't like Rogers, but he has been a winner and my dislike is probably a personal hangup). Otsuka (and maybe even Gonzalez) should be closing during the year somewhere. No holes in your pitching staff if that happens.

If CLE sees the light and let's Choo get a lot of AB's this year, OF is a strength if Lofton has another year in him. MI goes without saying. CM is middle of the pack, but you can't have everything. With C in the 25th, 26th, and 28th round, you know you will be scrambling there.

It looks like you built your speed 10-20 at a time and you may have a problem there and with R. HR and RBI should be fine as with BA.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:51 am

Originally posted by UFS:

Here's my team..

Crisp pick went early... had MDC panic pick as I couldn't find a player I wanted, but still wound up liking the pick later..Not sure if he would have lasted another round anyways.

I also tried a few things...like cherry picking for saves a little earlier than normal, and a few real late.

I just missed on several C's I wanted by a pick or two, so wound up drafting them all at the end...

Final Roster

Pos Name Team Pick

C Chris Iannetta COL R25 P9

C Yadier Molina STL R26 P7

C Miguel Montero ARI R28 P7

1B Adrian Gonzalez SD R10 P7

1B Nomar Garciaparra LA R11 P9

1B Ryan Shealy KC R18 P7

1B Sean Casey DET R27 P9

2B Chase Utley PHI R1 P9

SS Michael Young TEX R3 P9

SS Khalil Greene SD R19 P9

SS Brandon Wood ANA R30 P7

3B Adrian Beltre SEA R12 P7

OF Matt Holliday COL R2 P7

OF Coco Crisp BOS R5 P9

OF Delmon Young TB R6 P7

OF Kenny Lofton TEX R13 P9

OF Garret Anderson ANA R17 P9

OF Shin-soo Choo CLE R22 P7

P Brandon Webb ARI R4 P7

P Chad Cordero WAS R7 P9

P Dan Haren OAK R8 P7

P Jered Weaver ANA R9 P9

P Josh Beckett BOS R14 P7

P Akinori Otsuka TEX R15 P9

P Mike Gonzalez ATL R16 P7

P Kenny Rogers DET R20 P7

P Vicente Padilla TEX R21 P9

P Matt Garza MIN R23 P9

P Mike Timlin BOS R24 P7

P Joe Nelson KC R29 P9

Comments? solid squad- you blew it big with the Crisp pick but I think you already knew that. I still think that team can contend- good depth and upside to the pitching, very solid middle infield, you will not be competing for a 13 in steals but should have enough to take you to middle of the pack.

I also think you were able to do something pretty uncommon and that is actually obtain a little bit of value in your first 3 picks. You certainly laid down a 4 category offensive foundation with those picks.

I also like the strategy of drafting 3 catchers- 2 of them are unproven and could have upside, Yadier Molina was a little early for my taste but when I watch him at the plate I cannot help but think he will turn in to a decent hitter in the near future.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:58 am

Pretty much agree with what's been said ufs. You know c will be trouble, you may have problems with saves too. Washington won't be good although maybe Cordero gets traded and the other guys at least won't start out as closers. You may be short on sb's. I do like the philosophy though. Get lots of guys that steal some.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:17 am

Pretty likely after the Nixon signing that Choo will start the year at AAA.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:08 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Pretty likely after the Nixon signing that Choo will start the year at AAA. Makes sense too, given the considerable talents of Jason Michaels and Delucci...

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:26 am

Originally posted by Vander:

Pretty much agree with what's been said ufs. You know c will be trouble, you may have problems with saves too. Washington won't be good although maybe Cordero gets traded and the other guys at least won't start out as closers. You may be short on sb's. I do like the philosophy though. Get lots of guys that steal some. I'm not sure C will be a huge problem. One of those guys might do well, and there's always C help on the FA wire.

tough debate for me was Holliday-Young combo.

I almost took Jeter thinking I could get A.Jones, but A.Jones went right before my third pick, so that worked out for the better.

As the draft unfolded, I really liked my 10-12 picks of Adrian, Nomar, and Adrian.

I also liked Rogers and Padilla at 20-21.. that's a possible 30 wins right there.

thanks for all the comments... Didn't mind picking 9th at all. I figured I'd start with Utley or Santana, and I can't complain about that.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:29 am

Originally posted by Vander:

Pretty much agree with what's been said ufs. You know c will be trouble, you may have problems with saves too. Washington won't be good although maybe Cordero gets traded and the other guys at least won't start out as closers. You may be short on sb's. I do like the philosophy though. Get lots of guys that steal some. On saves, I have cherry picked Roid Jr's set up man for years now. This year will be no different.

I did want Putz but just missed him. That led to the Crisp fiasco. lol

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:03 am

Unfortunately last year, Baez couldn't hold the job, and that left the ageless Todd Jones in a lonely pen, with thanks to Chad Orvella.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:09 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

Unfortunately last year, Baez couldn't hold the job, and that left the ageless Todd Jones in a lonely pen, with thanks to Chad Orvella.

and Saito took over. And you were wrong on Jones last year

Oksiuta is good pick for vulture wins even if he doesn't save any games.

The TEX GM ranks right up there with the SF GM. The Gagne signing makes little sense when you had someone already doing the job very well for less.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:40 pm

I admit I was wrong on Jones. Having owned him for the re-birth in Florida, I got off the T. Jones express while I could. I see that you didn't jump on him again this year?! Orvella didn't really work out as planned, so I was half right.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:53 pm

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

I admit I was wrong on Jones. Having owned him for the re-birth in Florida, I got off the T. Jones express while I could. I see that you didn't jump on him again this year?! Orvella didn't really work out as planned, so I was half right.

It was in the plans