Reserve Roster Rule Has Been Changed

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:33 am

For all of those owners who are participating in the Auction Leagues, please note the new set of rules we have posted online. We are now allowing more flexibility with your six-man reserve roster as you can move players in and out of your starting lineup each week. We also changed the reserve list to limit a total of six players, no matter how many players you have on the DL. There are no separate lists for reserve and DL; six players is the most you can have on your reserve list at one time. The roster rules are now the same for the NFBC and the Auction Leagues.

Thanks for your input and I agree with the group's assessment of that rule. Not only that, but it makes my job easier as I now don't have to scold anyone for making an illegal roster move.

We are still working on the free agent deadlines, but I believe all FAAB bids will be due by Monday at 10 a.m. CST and lineups will be due by 3 or 4 CST each Monday. We'll finalize those times shortly.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:40 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

We are still working on the free agent deadlines, but I believe all FAAB bids will be due by Monday at 10 a.m. CST and lineups will be due by 3 or 4 CST each Monday. We'll finalize those times shortly. Don't some games start at 12 or 1pm CST on Mondays?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:49 am

There are four games that start early in 2004 on a Monday and we are addressing those right now. The Cubs play two Mondays in April at 1:05, the Red Sox host Patriot Day in April early (same day as a Cubs early game) and the Cubs host one more 3:05 game in September. We will address these individual situations soon and the thought is that we may have to move up the lineup changes early for those three weeks. We'll let you know soon. Have no fear, we have our eye on the ball.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:35 am

With possible double headers for rain outs and things like that, would it not just be easier to have a constant 11:00 AM CST Monday deadline for line-up changes? Thanks!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:21 am

We want to give everyone enough time to enter their new free agent pickups into their starting lineups each week, while still allowing people enough time after the Sunday night games to evaluate their free agent bids. We're still working on the time frame and will continue to ask for input, so don't fret just yet.

a · Post by a » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:48 am

Greg, wouldn't it make more sende to do WW moves on Friday and setting the lineups on Monday? This way, it's give everyone 2 days to manage their roster after WW and just in case somebody has to work on Monday and can't get to a PC during the short window.

Jon_Ashton · Post by **Jon_Ashton** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:21 am

Seems like a rock and a hard place. If you make the waiver wire transactions due by Friday, any injuries coming on Friday night, Saturday or Sunday (basically half the week's games) can't be factored into an owner's free agent bidding thoughts for the week.

A short window on Monday between free agent transactions going through (late morning) and new lineups being due (by late afternoon) is greatly problematic also. Owners who work at a job without computer access during that window would be totally screwed.

No good solution seems apparent. (Unless Stats, Inc. is able to run the free agent bidding on Sundays) Anyone see a better way, or is it a choice between only very problematic options?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:42 am

We can certainly make the free agent deadline on Sunday if that works best for everyone, although I'm not sure how many operators we'll have available for call-in changes on Sundays. We can also have a Monday morning lineup due deadline or even a midnight Sunday deadline as well if that's what the group wants. I would hate to have free agent bids due on Friday because of potential injuries over the weekend. Remember, you can set your FAAB bids well in advance of the deadline, but we obviously want everyone who acquires those free agents to then be able to insert those guys into their starting lineups for that week. So feel free to provide suggestions as no decision has been made between me and STATS Inc.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:31 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

We can certainly make the free agent deadline on Sunday if that works best for everyone, although I'm not sure how many operators we'll have available for call-in changes on Sundays. We can also have a Monday morning lineup due deadline or even a midnight Sunday deadline as well if that's what the group wants. I would hate to have free agent bids due on Friday because of potential injuries over the weekend. Remember, you can set your FAAB bids well in advance of the deadline, but we obviously want everyone who acquires those free agents to then be able to insert those guys into their starting lineups for that week. So feel free to provide suggestions as no decision has been made between me and STATS Inc. Gekko's thoughts:

Bidding Time Frame: The bidding process starts just prior to Opening Day and ends at the completion of Week 26. Bids will be accepted on the league web site from Monday at 3 p.m. ET until Sunday at 8 p.m. ET in each of these weeks. If you are submitting by phone, you must submit your bids by 4:00pm ET on Friday. Rosters will be updated by 8pm ET on Sunday with the results of all successful bids.

Allows owners to get through most of the weekend games and check for injuries. Also gives you from 8pm Sunday - noon on Monday to field your lineup.

Hoosier Hick · Post by **Hoosier Hick** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:36 pm

I'm with Gekko on this one. Please do not have free agent pick ups on monday morning. This would require everyone to have their line up in in a couple hour time frame in the middle of monday afternoons. I think that at least a few of us have jobs. It would be all but impossible for me to find out the results of the free agent bidding monday afternoon, then put my line up in that same afternoon. Just my opinion, and I assume, the opinion of many working people in the league.

a · Post by a » Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:06 pm

How about this...

WW due noon Sat and Lineps due Midnight Sunday.

Every scenario cannot be forseen, but we need to have something reasonable for everyone involved.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:19 pm

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

How about this...

WW due noon Sat and Lineps due Midnight Sunday.

Every scenario cannot be forseen, but we need to have something reasonable for everyone involved. Don't like it. There will be plenty of unhappy owners if their players get hurt Saturday and Sunday afternoon, and they don't have a chance to pick up replacements via free agency.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:26 pm

Okay, so far the discussion has been very helpful to me. You have convinced me that Monday morning FAAB bid deadline is a bad idea and I'm already convinced that Friday is too early. So let's at least agree that Sunday will be our day to enter final FAAB bids for free agents. And let's at least agree that we need enough time on Sunday to find out if you acquired those top free agents and enter them into your starting lineup for the following week. Agreed?

Now what we need to determine is how important is knowing whether every player survived uninjured on Sunday. That's a tough one because nobody will agree on this completely. But let's be fair to the entire group and find a middle ground because nobody wants to stay up every Sunday night to learn who got the top free agents and not everyone can make out their starting lineups on Monday morning.

I'll post a question or poll (I'm still new on these boards) and see what everyone says. Then we'll all agree on the right time. After all, I do strongly believe in democracy.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:38 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Okay, so far the discussion has been very helpful to me. You have convinced me that Monday morning FAAB bid deadline is a bad idea and I'm already convinced that Friday is too early. You're welcome Greg. I take full credit for this.

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Now what we need to determine is how important is knowing whether every player survived uninjured on Sunday. Not very important. 8pm deadline should be fine.

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I'll post a question or poll (I'm still new on these boards) and see what everyone says. I'd refrain from using a poll. There are some obvious ways to manufacture results.

[ February 16, 2004, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

a · Post by a » Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:09 am

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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Now what we need to determine is how important is knowing whether every player survived uninjured on Sunday.

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Not very important. 8pm deadline should be fine.

Also by Gek...

Don't like it. There will be plenty of unhappy owners if their players get hurt Saturday and Sunday afternoon, and they don't have a chance to pick up replacements via free agency.

If anyone thinks that an injured player can be easily replaced by a WW player, then your draft sucked and you have no chance at winning anyway, so what's the difference? For one, you should already have a player on your bench to replace your injured player. And Two - If that makes the difference on your team, I hope we are in teh same league.

8:00 is too late. I believe most owners need more time than that (people have lives and limiting the time between WW and lineups due just to be certain of injuries is a bunch of bull). I believe at least a 24 hour (would prefer 48 hours) from WW to lineups due. Last year in the other event, it was Fri noon WW and 12:00pm Monday lineups due and not one person complained about the timeline or player injured over the weekend. Do what is best for EVERYONE, not the people without lives. People travel for business Sunday nights, or go on vacation w/ families. With 48 hours, everyone can get the lineups in, with less time, it can become difficult.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:25 am

I think 8pm eastern on Sunday night for waiver aquisitions and noon Monday for roster moves sounds like the best idea.

With every team playing games on Saturday and Sunday a large percentage of the weeks games are on the weekend and many injuries do occur.

Come on Phil, we gave you people with lives the once a week roster moves. :rolleyes:

Now it's time to throw us walking dead Zombies a bone from the table

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:26 am

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

quote: If anyone thinks that an injured player can be easily replaced by a WW player, then your draft sucked and you have no chance at winning anyway, so what's the difference? I'm not saying that a player will be easily replaced, but you'll have a chance to get a replacement player.

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

quote: For one, you should already have a player on your bench to replace your injured player. I guess everyone should carry 3 catchers on their roster. You heard it here first!!

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

quote: 8:00 is too late. I believe most owners need more time than that (people have lives and limiting the time between WW and lineups due just to be certain of injuries is a bunch of bull). Sorry, you're in the minority on that one.

a · Post by a » Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:37 pm

1- Yes, I would have a 3rd catcher if there is one good enough to stash so nobody else can get them. Plus if I have C eligible player I can play elsewhere, that gives me options if a C is injured.

2- there are over 100 people signed up, but I have not seen over 50 responses, that would be a majority.

3- For the record, I support 2 lineups per week, the middle ground.

4- Trust me, I've been a walking zombie for 4 months now.

I am looking at the overall event and what would work best for everyone. I will do whatever it takes, just trying to keep things reasonable. Like I said, it is not unrealistic that someone is unavailable for the restricted proposed time period of WW and lineups.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:00 pm

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

2- there are over 100 people signed up, but I have not seen over 50 responses, that would be a majority. Semantics my friend. It's inevitable.

a · Post by a » Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:03 am

Gordon, I expected better of you... I'm a little disappointed. The best you can do is "symantics"

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:50 am

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:

Gordon, I expected better of you... I'm a little disappointed. The best you can do is "symantics"

Probably nothing new. I'm sure you're used to being disappointed.