If you are participating in multiple NFBC online leagues...

CREATiVESPORTS-Marc · Post by **CREATiVESPORTS-Marc** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:34 am

CREATiVESPORTS.com is once again publishing weekly articles related to the NFBC competition based on experiences from our four writers who are participating in the contest. I believe I am the only CREATiVESPORTS writer with entries in the online event, so I intend to focus several articles during the season on that angle and would like your help in collecting data for the first article.

As I was completing my second online draft last night, I started thinking about my third draft coming up on Thursday. I would like to hear mainly from the people participating in multiple online drafts during this week with your opinions on the items below and any other thoughts you have on the event. Please wait until all the drafts are completed on Saturday before replying and please reply either as part of this thread or directly to my email address ([email protected])

1) Did you consider implementing different draft strategies across your multiple drafts (i.e speed early vs. power early, pitchers early vs. hitters early, catchers early vs. catchers late, closers early vs. closers late, or anything else)?

2) If you considered implementing different draft strategies, were you able to implement those strategies during the draft?

3) What are the advantages or disadvantages of drafting early in the week vs. later in the week? Did you try to draft early in the week or later in the week?

4) Do you believe that your chances of winning are increased by having multiple entries (besides the inherit advantage of 1 in 600 vs. 3 in 600)? For example, does having the actual draft results from two online drafts give you an advantage in the third draft – if I really want to have player “A” on my roster any I know he was drafted in round x in my draft on Monday and round y in my draft on Tuesday.

Thanks for your help

Marc Meltzer

CREATiVESPORTS-Marc · Post by **CREATiVESPORTS-Marc** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:06 am

CREATiVESPORTS.com is once again publishing weekly articles related to the NFBC competition based on experiences from our four writers who are participating in the contest. I believe I am the only CREATiVESPORTS writer with entries in the online event, so I intend to focus several articles during the season on that angle and would like your help in collecting data for the first article.

As I was completing my second online draft last night, I started thinking about my third draft coming up on Thursday. I would like to hear mainly from the people participating in multiple online drafts during this week with your opinions on the items below and any other thoughts you have on the event. Please wait until all the drafts are completed on Saturday before replying and please reply either as part of this thread or directly to my email address ([email protected])

1) Did you consider implementing different draft strategies across your multiple drafts (i.e speed early vs. power early, pitchers early vs. hitters early, catchers early vs. catchers late, closers early vs. closers late, or anything else)?

2) If you considered implementing different draft strategies, were you able to implement those strategies during the draft?

3) What are the advantages or disadvantages of drafting early in the week vs. later in the week? Did you try to draft early in the week or later in the week?

4) Do you believe that your chances of winning are increased by having multiple entries (besides the inherit advantage of 1 in 600 vs. 3 in 600)? For example, does having the actual draft results from two online drafts give you an advantage in the third draft – if I really want to have player “A” on my roster any I know he was drafted in round x in my draft on Monday and round y in my draft on Tuesday.

Thanks for your help

Marc Meltzer

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:42 am

I was in three online champ leagues.

My strategy stayed the same. Fill up the scarce positions with quality guys. Get quality top end SP (Haren/Halladay/Danks/Greinke in one, Haren/Vazquez/Greinke/Slowey in one, and Haren/Lester/Danks in the other). Grab Kevin Gregg late (15th/16th round) as that looked like tremendous value.

I drafted one team on Tuesday, one on Thursday, and one on Saturday. I used the same strategy on all three teams and they all came out looking very similar.

My chance of winning is probably 1 in 100. But, I have a feeling with so much talent available in every league that “lucky” owners will do better in this 12 team/lg format, as compared to 15 team/lg format. IMO, that is why 10 team and 12 team leagues are so popular. “Lucky” and “Lazy” owners stand a better chance of winning. Those types of players get chewed up in 15 team leagues.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:10 am

Wow, I guess whoever wins the online championships should take no pride in their achievement and instead just thank their lucky rabbit's foot....

MichiganFantasyTeam · Post by **MichiganFantasyTeam** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:54 am

“lucky” owners will do better in this 12 team/lg format, as compared to 15 team/lg format. IMO, that is why 10 team and 12 team leagues are so popular. “Lucky” and “Lazy” owners stand a better chance of winning. Those types of players get chewed up in 15 team leagues

True Statement

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:18 am

I only entered once in the online Championships, so I won't answer most questions.

Lets use an example as the biggest difference between the 12 teamer and NFBC. Geovany Soto is hurt right now, to what extreme, we don't know. If he is out for an extended period of time, it is devastating to the NFBC owner. Soto owners are forced to pick up Koyie Hill or other trash from the Dump. The Online owner can simply plug in a Miguel Olivo or Jesus Flores for the time that Soto is out.

While true that it will take a lot of luck to win the Online Championship, in season management becomes paramount. Leaving hr's and sb's on the bench will come back to haunt many. In short, the draft and injuries play a little less of a part compared to standard NFBC, while in season management of players and free agents uptick as to importance.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:35 am

last week i found myself spending the majority of my "free agent time" on my main event...just like last year.

there were some cuts i missed in my "other" leagues that i should have made. this week, i'm making a better effort at looking at my other teams when it comes to FAAB.

as it relates to the online champ leagues, i'm not sure who to cut and who to pick up. it's really coming down to dropping a good player to pickup another good player. kinda a win/win, but very confusing for me personally.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:46 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

I was in three online champ leagues.

My strategy stayed the same. Fill up the scarce positions with quality guys. Get quality top end SP (Haren/Halladay/Danks/Greinke in one, Haren/Vazquez/Greinke/Slowey in one, and Haren/Lester/Danks in the other). Grab Kevin Gregg late (15th/16th round) as that looked like tremendous value.

I drafted one team on Tuesday, one on Thursday, and one on Saturday. I used the same strategy on all three teams and they all came out looking very similar.

My chance of winning is probably 1 in 100. But, I have a feeling with so much talent available in every league that “lucky” owners will do better in this 12 team/lg format, as compared to 15 team/lg format. IMO, that is why 10 team and 12 team leagues are so popular. “Lucky” and “Lazy” owners stand a better chance of winning. Those types of players get chewed up in 15 team leagues. Its really all relative because EVERYONE has a better team and what's left on FAAB may be good players for a 15 team format, they are probably below standard for a 12 team league.

As much skill is involved for a 12 team league as a 15 team league IMHO and I have no doubt that the same guys who win in 15 team formats will also win here in the 12 team leagues.

The biggest difference is that multiple entry allows for a better chance of wining for those that enter more than once. (but they may spend $950 to win $1,350)

Just my take-

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:49 am

Originally posted by Dub:

As much skill is involved for a 12 team league as a 15 team league IMHO and I have no doubt that the same guys who win in 15 team formats will also win here in the 12 team leagues.

100% disagree here.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:41 am

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

I was in three online champ leagues.

My strategy stayed the same. Fill up the scarce positions with quality guys. Get quality top end SP (Haren/Halladay/Danks/Greinke in one, Haren/Vazquez/Greinke/Slowey in one, and Haren/Lester/Danks in the other). Grab Kevin Gregg late (15th/16th round) as that looked like tremendous value.

I drafted one team on Tuesday, one on Thursday, and one on Saturday. I used the same strategy on all three teams and they all came out looking very similar.

My chance of winning is probably 1 in 100. But, I have a feeling with so much talent available in every league that “lucky” owners will do better in this 12 team/lg format, as compared to 15 team/lg format. IMO, that is why 10 team and 12 team leagues are so popular. “Lucky” and “Lazy” owners stand a better chance of winning. Those types of players get chewed up in 15 team leagues. Its really all relative because EVERYONE has a better team and what's left on FAAB may be good players for a 15 team format, they are probably below standard for a 12 team league.

As much skill is involved for a 12 team league as a 15 team league IMHO and I have no doubt that the same guys who win in 15 team formats will also win here in the 12 team leagues.

The biggest difference is that multiple entry allows for a better chance of wining for those that enter more than once. (but they may spend $950 to win $1,350)

Just my take- [/QUOTE]Is as much "skill" involved in a 10-team league as a 15-team league? What about an 8-team league?

I think in an 8-team league, my wife could grab 6 of her girlfriends, share a baseball magazine with them, and there's a much better chance that one of them beats me thant there would be in a 15-team league.

All I'm saying is as league sizes get smaller, there is less "skill" and time and effort involved even in 12 vs 15 team leagues. Either way, money aside, I think it is a more impressive feat to win the 390 team main than to win the 600 team online championship.

For the record, I'd be happy winning either event and would point to sky thanking the lord just like any other superstar would do. Also for the record, I wish each owner could only buy 1 online championship team (my budget only allowed for me to buy 1 team so I'm jealous of those who had multiple chances to draft).

Greg, next year limit 1 per customer unless my budget allows to buy the 3 pack. I'll get back to you next year about this.

[ April 11, 2009, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: rkulaski ]

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:19 am

For the record: Never said which would be more impressive, winning the OLC or winning the ME- but winning both is the most impressive.

You need to draw the line somewhere and comparing to a 6 or 8 team league is unfair IMHO. With 12 teams and a 30 team roster there is still few player left after a draft.

In a 15 team format- much more emphasis is played on the draft and with a 12 team, in season management becomes much more important. Either way BOTH take skill.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:28 am

The question theme is different strategies for multiple OLC team owners. Walla Walla in my league chose 8 pitchers out of his first 10 picks.... and 6 in row from 2 -8.

Now I know he has the RIGHT to draft however he likes and I also know that many of you will disagree with me, but I think that novelty drafting not only takes your team out of any chance for the overall, but probably takes your whole league out as well.

In the Main Event you see almost zero novelty drafting. If you were only allowed one team, you would see less of this, but obviosuly less prize money as well.

PS: I like Walla's team a lot.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:00 am

This is a ridiculous argument....all formats require strategy and skill.....and all formats need a bit of luck. The strategies are different and the ability to recover from a bad draft may be different dependent upon the format, however all formats require hard work to win. No lazy players win in any format if playing against other dedicated & quality players.

That said, after one week its apparant I've got neither skill nor luck in either format.....jeez my teams are off to horrible starts.

Disposable Heroes · Post by **Disposable Heroes** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:11 pm

Originally posted by CREATiVESPORTS-Marc:

CREATiVESPORTS.com is once again publishing weekly articles related to the NFBC competition based on experiences from our four writers who are participating in the contest. I believe I am the only CREATiVESPORTS writer with entries in the online event, so I intend to focus several articles during the season on that angle and would like your help in collecting data for the first article.

As I was completing my second online draft last night, I started thinking about my third draft coming up on Thursday. I would like to hear mainly from the people participating in multiple online drafts during this week with your opinions on the items below and any other thoughts you have on the event. Please wait until all the drafts are completed on Saturday before replying and please reply either as part of this thread or directly to my email address ([email protected])

1) Did you consider implementing different draft strategies across your multiple drafts (i.e speed early vs. power early, pitchers early vs. hitters early, catchers early vs. catchers late, closers early vs. closers late, or anything else)?

2) If you considered implementing different draft strategies, were you able to implement those strategies during the draft?

3) What are the advantages or disadvantages of drafting early in the week vs. later in the week? Did you try to draft early in the week or later in the week?

4) Do you believe that your chances of winning are increased by having multiple entries (besides the inherit advantage of 1 in 600 vs. 3 in 600)? For example, does having the actual draft results from two online drafts give you an advantage in the third draft – if I really want to have player “A” on my roster any I know he was drafted in round x in my draft on Monday and round y in my draft on Tuesday.

Thanks for your help

Marc Meltzer Very good question Marc. As for #1, I did have some different strategies but mostly, I just look for the best values available. On my last draft, I did go in with the strategy to take 2B late. I learned from my previous drafts that there are a lot of decent options at 2B available late. I didn't take my first 2B until the 23rd round but was able to get Carlos Delgado as my CI earlier because of waiting on 2B. If I can get decent production from Schumaker, Scutaro or Getz, I should be in good shape.

As for when to draft, the only possible advantage of drafting later is having a clearer picture on who makes teams and what roles players will have. This helps everyone equally so I don't consider it a real advantage in drafting.

I do think having multiple teams does give an advantage from what is learned in previous drafts. My best teams are almost always the ones I drafted last. I knew with my last draft, there seemed to be a pretty big dropoff in OF after around round 10. I therefore took my third and fourth OF's in rounds 9 and 10. Ryan Ludwick and Jermaine Dye respectively, and was very happy to grab them at that point. The next OF drafted after Dye was Milledge. Big dropoff there. My condolences to Milledge owners.

Last year, in the NFFC and NBC events, the only ca$h I took home was from the very last draft, the NBC primetime football league. I find the "practice" quite useful.