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I Get Questions...I've Got Answers

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:17 pm

I have gotten some PM's and e-mails from folks asking about Message Board 'personalities' to NFBC rules to other questions about the NFBC.
Maybe I can answer some of these questions in a public way, so that others who are thinking along the same lines will have those answers as well.....

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No, I've never met Gekko. I've been in plenty of drafts with him. I've had a lot of contact with him. From what I hear from others who have met him, he is a nice guy.
There is not a soul in the NFBC who wants to win more than Mark. If he is in your league, you're up against one of the best.
He's a tenacious player.
If you beat him (and chances are that he'll be in your Draft Championship League) you'll have beaten one of the best.

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I have met Mike the Mouth. Mike comes across as gruff on the Boards, maybe even arrogant in his posts.
I know some are afraid to retort to a Mikey posting.
What you'll get from Mike is 100% honesty. In that way, he's the anti-Gekko.
The problem being that Mike does not have Gekko's reputation at the draft table.
If you're ever in a foxhole and need somebody at your six, you'd be hard pressed to find somebody more capable than Mike the Mouth.
( Just don't mention any foods that start with the two letters 'Mc' to him :) )

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Now to the question I get asked about more than anything.....
Do not be afraid of FAAB!
I know that most players come from a 'waivers' background.
Most sites have waivers for football and baseball, not FAAB.
It may be the hardest adjustment from being a Yahoo Kid to coming to the NFBC.

My best advice for those playing with FAAB for the first year is to go vanilla.
There are 26 weeks to a baseball season leaving about $40 a week. With that thought in mind, you'll want to bid more in earlier weeks, in hopes that those players will help you over a longer period of time.
In the first high priced league with FAAB, I would refrain from going after rookies that may cost $500-800.
Stay within a semi-budget.
I spend my FAAB money as I do money in real life. That $1,000 is a gift. It buys many players. Pick wisely.
There is one steadfast rule to FAAB I have never broken. It is this:
NEVER, EVER LEAVE ONE DOLLAR OF FAAB ON THE TABLE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
Especially in a Main Event.
There are rankings done by KJ for Main Events. They may not mean much to you at first but they may later. If leaving a dollar on the table, your team probably could have been better.

Everything said on the Boards about FAAB seemingly has a negative connotation. From going to waivers and figuring it out, to the page itself which always seems to need work, to the time taken each week to make FAAB moves.
It is a major reason a lot of fence sitters deciding on a Main Event team, end up choosing a Draft Championship team or go back to conquering Yahoo leagues once again.
The process is not as formidable as it appears to be on these Boards.
Most of the players posting have at least 10 teams and they are speaking for themselves, not the new player.

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Describing a 'Live Event'.
Pure and simple, the first time walking into a Live Event is the same as walking into your first Major League park.
It is beautiful.
Draft Boards, tables and chairs are all set up endlessly.
Better yet, every person at these live events are approachable and have like minds.
There is nothing like the beauty of being engulfed in the same room as 150 others who are thinking like you.
My wife compares it to a 'Trekkie' convention, unbelieving that there are so many people like me. :lol:
There is no comparison to drafting online.
Online is masturbation.
Live events is sex with the starlet of your choice.

There is only one drawback to live drafting. A problem that has been going on for years and never fixed.
We can hear the tables around us.
So when somebody calls out the name DOMINICK BROWN! And you were hell bent on getting Brown in your draft, you'll do one of these :roll: or one of these :x and hope that that doesn't signal somebody at your table to take them.
It's a nuisance.
But compared to all the benefits of a live draft, it is something that is lived with.

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15 teams does lessen the player pool. That is what makes this competition more difficult. There are 12 team leagues available if leery of 15 team leagues.
But you owe it to yourself to give 15 team leagues a try.
First in the Draft Championships, then in Satelites as we get closer to the end of drafting season.
If you really like your teams here and there, maybe you're ready for the Main Event now.
If not, wait another year and get used to it.

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The amount of teams owned is up to you.
I've owned as many as 40 and like most everybody, started with one.
Sometimes the drafting experience of which we are all so fond, gets in the way of how many teams we can truly handle.
I know that when the season begins, I prioritize every team.
My Main Event teams always come first. Others are rated in how much I would like to win each league.
FAAB teams will take more time. If you're already a busy fella, I may try to limit those the first year, then add/subtract following years after knowing how much time goes into each team.

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Truth be told, the Message Boards on the NFBC may hold more information than the NFBC site pages and information themselves. During the season, if you go to a players page, it'll tell you how many games they've played at each position. That is the only use I have for their pages.
They are lacking. They always have.
My favorite sites are Baseball Reference and ESPN for stats.
Fangraphs for informational approach in a Numerish sort of way.
Mastersball if looking for advice for fantasy.
I refer all new NFBC players to Mastersball because NFBC players do most of the writing and running of the site.
And I know that customer service there is top notch. If explaining to them that you're new to the NFBC, they'll know exactly how to answer any question.

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If you have a personal question for Greg, I would not put it on the Boards under any subject.
E-Mail Greg at gambrosiusATstats.com
I use AT because somebody said it was bad to use @ on Message Boards, so you get the point.
Greg will answer any questions concerning the NFBC and you'll get a timely response.

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Last, it is a jump in competition. No doubt.
For years, you've beaten up on the same nine or eleven guys in a home league.
Or unknown folks in an online league.
The money has been minimal.
Or you've beaten or been beaten by people after questionable trades.
Trades be damned here.
You're left to your own devices. It is the skill of the draft and play or skill of the draft and hold here.
Not the art of a deal.
Do not underestimate another player here. If they are ponying up that money, they have cleared the first hurdle.
The first hurdle is that you have to THINK in your own mind that you are good enough to play here.
The second hurdle may come as standings pass by each week.
That second hurdle is KNOWING you are good enough to play here.
The third hurdle is knowing you are good enough to STAY here.
And once you're over that third hurdle, you'll never want to go back.
Like Rotary to dial and like dial up to WiFi, there will be no reason to go back.
You've made it and you're one of the best.
Now, you just have to show that you are THE best.
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Re: I Get Questions...I've Got Answers

Post by Dak » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:19 pm

What is your opinion on the "haves & have nots" associated with the NFBC? :roll: :shock:

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:10 pm

This is tough and it is becoming more prevalent each year.
When the NFBC started, we only had one Main Event. When starting to expand, the entry fees went lower and higher.
Satelites went for a lower price.
The Supers went for a higher price.
Since then, all sorts of different price entries have been introduced.
And now, I think the cutline will be $100 this year. The Platinum will be $20,000.

Until the last two years, the 'Have's (Rich Mann) had their domain. The 'Have-nots' (Joe Schmo)have had theirs.
Now, Rich Mann wants to have more juice. Winning $100,000 isn't enough for them. They want to take away third place in leagues since it interests them little.
They think this will grow the contest. Be it Rich Mann's personal life or business life, they truly believe this.

Joe Schmo only wants to keep what they have. They don't care about the Supers or anything above that entry fee. They never have.
To them, the Main Event IS the Main Event.
And now, Rich Mann wants to change the Main Event to better suit their juice.
Even though some want to take away third place in Draft Championships and other less price entry leagues, that will probably never happen. Third place keeps folks coming back to play again. It means little to Rich Mann. To Joe Schmo and new customers, it's a life line to play again.

The Main Event becomes Waterloo.
It is an event close to both Rich Mann and Joe Schmo's heart.
For Rich Mann the entry fee is a mere formality.
For Joe Schmo, it is a lot of expendable income.
Rich Mann thinks that Joe Schmo can find money in his couch if upping the entry fee. He forgets that Joe Schmo does not have as much money in their couch.
Rich Mann thinks that the bigger the grand prize, the more entrants. The problem with that is that it'll make the entrants less, while Rich Mann's enter more.
There were 300 entrants the second year of the Main Event.
I'm guessing there is about that many now since dual and even tri entries are allowed.
If making the entry point a lot more for these Main Events so that Rich Mann can have his juice, it means that some Joe Schmo's will not enter and play lesser games. The Main Event becomes mostly Rich Mann playing against Rich Mann and their three entries apiece.
It would lose a lot of meaning.

So far, good things have come from it.
Greg has stated that entry fees will not be raised by a lot.
And KJ has come up with a great idea that should appease both sides.
Rich Mann gets their juice. Joe Schmo gets their entry.
I think it is something we can all live with.

And I know you didn't ask, Rob, but I'll expand on this new set up.
What if Joe Schmo wins the Main Event and $100,000 and Rich Mann finishes 12th and wins the $200,000 in a triple play?
Who gets most of the attention?
Joe Schmo had the best team in the Main Event. His team beat every other Joe Schmo team and every Rich Mann team.
Joe Schmo is happy with his $100,000.
Rich Mann, finishing 12th and getting beat by 11 Joe Schmo's, wins $200,000.
It'd be tough to market that.
Maybe other Rich Mann's will be enticed. They'll think the secondary field is limited or fair game for them.
Then, the contest could grow more, but in sort of a wacky way.
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Post by KJ Duke » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:54 pm

Good answer, Dan. It's worth referencing an earlier Lowy post here too. Glenn talked about starting out at a low level in his first season, winning, and then having a larger bankroll and more confidence to move upstream. That's the way it should work. This is a competition, you are not entitled to anything. If you have a large bankroll either you've won in the past, or you've "won" in other ways to get there, whether in business, the market or whatever. Who cares? The more you win, the more ability you'll have to compete in the future. Welcome to capitalism. I've been on both sides of the have/have not equation more than once. Competing at the highest level you are capable of competing at is exciting, so the more options afforded by the NFBC, the better. There are guys in this league that could pony up $100,000 as easily as some can come up with a $1,000 entry. Everything is relative.

The Joe Schmo's in this contests are the elitist Rich Mann's to many that don't play here. Dan likes to paint himself as a cheapskate, but the yahoo kid thinks Doughboy is a high-roller. I don't understand the have/have not jealousy, other than it being a personal problem rather than a problem in reality. It's certainly not the NFBC's problem.

As for the "marketing" confusion of the DoublePlay concept, I don't see it. The ME winner gets all the accolades, period. If someone else wins more money, it's because they risked more. The Platinum league winner will take home $200k this year by beating 14 guys, is that more prestigious than beating 449 in the ME? Nope, beating 30x more people is harder.

(Not to downplay the Platinum, to put that much on the line and walk away a winner will be pretty damn special, too). 8-)

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:17 pm

KJ Duke wrote:As for the "marketing" confusion of the DoublePlay concept, I don't see it. The ME winner gets all the accolades, period. If someone else wins more money, it's because they risked more. The Platinum league winner will take home $200k this year by beating 14 guys, is that more prestigious than beating 449 in the ME? Nope, beating 30x more people is harder.
(Not to downplay the Platinum, to put that much on the line and walk away a winner will be pretty damn special, too). 8-)
I get that he beats more people and that's a good thing.
The winner of the double play would have to be marketed. He's winning the lion's share of the money. It cannot be avoided.
What's tough to market is that he's not a 'winner'. At least in the true sense.
Now, I know you're going to say of course he's a winner, HE'S CASHING A $200,000 CHECK!
And I know that, but he'll still have finished in 12th place.
Like said, this may widen interest in that part of the contest. So, it may be a good thing.
And I know that it probably won't happen. Especially to that degree.
Heck, I know a lot of Rich Mann's who are damned good fantasy players. Some are in the Hall of Fame.
Still, I can see them bragging to their friends about winning $200,000. They would, at the same time, probably bury the lead that they finished 12th to do it. :D
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Re: I Get Questions...I've Got Answers

Post by KJ Duke » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:33 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:Still, I can see them bragging to their friends about winning $200,000. They would, at the same time, probably bury the lead that they finished 12th to do it. :D
I think once you say, "I just won $200,000, or $100,000", nothing else would matter anyway. I know that's how my wife would hear it. :P The prestige of a title to those on the outside probably means about as much as the world's top bass fisherman means to me.

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Re: I Get Questions...I've Got Answers

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:37 pm

KJ Duke wrote:
DOUGHBOYS wrote:Still, I can see them bragging to their friends about winning $200,000. They would, at the same time, probably bury the lead that they finished 12th to do it. :D
I think once you say, "I just won $200,000, or $100,000", nothing else would matter anyway. I know that's how my wife would hear it. :P
Ain't that the truth! :)
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Post by Walla Walla » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:06 pm

Sticker shock for me! I was hoping to get into a main event league next year. Seeing the price and than adding on a co -owner which I'd have to have and a food charge and we're talking $1725.00. That's up from $1250 when it started. But so are airline tickets and hotel costs. I can see where some people are backing off. I'm now looking at the auctions. Still pricey but Auctions were made for live events. Granted it's held at a nice Casino but wow it costs a lot. Still I can see doing this every four or five years. I don't think that's what the NFBC had in mind though. Just thoughts on my part.

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Post by Dak » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:52 am

Walla Walla wrote:Sticker shock for me! I was hoping to get into a main event league next year. Seeing the price and than adding on a co -owner which I'd have to have and a food charge and we're talking $1725.00. That's up from $1250 when it started. But so are airline tickets and hotel costs. I can see where some people are backing off. I'm now looking at the auctions. Still pricey but Auctions were made for live events. Granted it's held at a nice Casino but wow it costs a lot. Still I can see doing this every four or five years. I don't think that's what the NFBC had in mind though. Just thoughts on my part.
You forget to mention that to be "in the game" you need two entries now. Your odds are too low if you just do one main event team.

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